Are Brits and Americans at a disadvantage ?

[Andynonomous]

Tygart says the performances of athletes from Jamaica, Russia and Spain are compromised because drug testing in those countries is not stringent enough and does not involve out-of-competition and no-notice testing, or tests for EPO and human growth hormone.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2033444/Nick-Harris-Britain-takes-gold-comes-testing-drugs.html

 

[Midnightfright]

Tygart says the performances of athletes from Jamaica, Russia and Spain are compromised because drug testing in those countries is not stringent enough and does not involve out-of-competition and no-notice testing, or tests for EPO and human growth hormone.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2033444/Nick-Harris-Britain-takes-gold-comes-testing-drugs.html

Confirmed my suspicions.

 

[Hors-Catégorie]

Tygart says the performances of athletes from Jamaica, Russia and Spain are compromised because drug testing in those countries is not stringent enough and does not involve out-of-competition and no-notice testing, or tests for EPO and human growth hormone.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2033444/Nick-Harris-Britain-takes-gold-comes-testing-drugs.html

That comes as no surprise whatsoever. As it would add a little weight in explaining, obviously ridiculously enhanced performances, such as this.......massive fraud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nbjhpcZ9_g

 

[python]

i like usada. i always held it in high esteem for lack of corruption and a no-nonsense attitude. much of of tygart said is true...

but sometimes whining from the other side of the atlantic is a bit too self-serving particularly when one of the ONLY 2 dope-tainted athletes at the athletics wc was tygart's countryman. not to mention that america annihilated everyone in the medal count.

forgive me the political parallel but it sounds like pentagon whining about chinese military whilst spending as much as the rest of the world...

 

[Hors-Catégorie]

The British testing system maybe stringent but obviously not enough.....

Harry Aikines-Aryeetey

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...e-clutches-of-graham-830605.html?action=Popup

 

[Anonymous]

Right first of all, whats this Anglo Bigot line about?

One person has said it, and american, and it has been reported by a very Right Wing newspaper in Britain.

can I suggest you rephrase it to one American (who may or may not be bigoted, i would say not).

To be honest, your thread title is equally, if not more bigoted than the topic.

 

[Ragerod]

The relaxed nature of the Jamaican testing program has been an on-going concern for a number of years so these comments are hardly a surprise.

 

[Andynonomous]

Right first of all, whats this Anglo Bigot line about?

One person has said it, and american, and it has been reported by a very Right Wing newspaper in Britain.

can I suggest you rephrase it to one American (who may or may not be bigoted, i would say not).

To be honest, your thread title is equally, if not more bigoted than the topic.

The term "Anglo bigot" has been used in the discussions here at cyclingnews to designate any criticism by anglos of the doping controls in non-anglo countries, as just some red-necks who should be ignored, regardless of the evidence against said non-anglo country.

I was being facetious. Hence the winky winky.

Although "they all do it", some do it a lot more than others.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

I have changed the thread title to something a bit less controversial.

Susan

 

[hrotha]

I wonder if mentioning Spain when talking about doping has become mandatory because curse those cheaters, nevermind that Spain is currently pretty irrelevant in athletics.

Can't wait for the impact of London 2012 on British performances. Maybe we're seeing it already.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Seeing how Froome and Wiggins motor on in the Vuelta dropping far more reputated climbers I wouldn't say Brits are at a disadvantage...

 

[euanli]

You will probably see the British go backwards for the Olympics.

 

[Anonymous]

Q. Are Brits and Americans at a disadvantage ?
Ans:- No, they are not.

 

[hfer07]

Q. Are Brits and Americans at a disadvantage ?
Ans:- No, they are not.

+1000
and added to it- the Anglophone countries are actually "catching up" to the doping level of the so called "lessen strict countries" on doping. I am certain that in cycling-rather than getting programs from the Spanish/Italian "doctors" the Anglophone teams have already developed their own "in-house" programs...
& BTW the article says that Travis Tygart, the chief executive of the US Anti-Doping Agency is responsible for busting Landis & MJones? LOL
had the FDA & the feds never been involved in the BALCO affair-MJones could have been an Olympic medalist still nowadays. USADA is at best equal to the Spaniards when it comes down to testing & "covering" doping too....

 

[DirtyWorks]

USADA may be shooting straight. There's no information suggesting the agency is compromised.

However, they are only one side of the battle. On the other side are American sports federations and very likely the USOC (see sports illustrated's last Wonderboy story) managing their exposure to positives to practically zero.

Specific to competitive cycling in the U.S. USA Cycling is owned by the Tailwind brain trust. That association alone should be enough of a clue that things are really rotten on the sports federation level.
History also confirms that as long as a rider was associated with Tailwind and Co. no doping positives. Leave the fold and the positives soon follow.

 

[blackcat]

i like usada. i always held it in high esteem for lack of corruption and a no-nonsense attitude. much of of tygart said is true...

but sometimes whining from the other side of the atlantic is a bit too self-serving particularly when one of the ONLY 2 dope-tainted athletes at the athletics wc was tygart's countryman. not to mention that america annihilated everyone in the medal count.

forgive me the political parallel but it sounds like pentagon whining about chinese military whilst spending as much as the rest of the world...

Australia like their dope. Sally Pearson jawline that makes a man go ooooh, in envy. Steve Hooker their athletics captain.

Then there are their swimmers.

The French swimmer got on a good support in the last decade.

False dichotomy here I think. They ALL are on it. Everyone at the pointy end of any Olympic event at the World Championship level, will be doing something.

 

[daveinzambia]

I think it balances out, as US and UK have much greater funding that can be put towards finding the latest and greatest dope test beating magic juice.

 

[Shady87]

False dichotomy here I think. They ALL are on it. Everyone at the pointy end of any Olympic event at the World Championship level, will be doing something.

This is frankly disrespectful of the majority of athletes.
Some of my closest friends are at the pointy end of Olympic events, one of them won a rowing world title last week. There is no chance that these people are using illegal PEDs.

Caffeine tablets, Bicarb and the like, are used in competition, but are not banned.

Are some doping? yes.
Most? not likely.
All? definitely not.

 

[patterson_hood]

This is frankly disrespectful of the majority of athletes.
Some of my closest friends are at the pointy end of Olympic events, one of them won a rowing world title last week. There is no chance that these people are using illegal PEDs.

Caffeine tablets, Bicarb and the like, are used in competition, but are not banned.

Are some doping? yes.
Most? not likely.
All? definitely not.

It's nice to see you have confidence in your friends and I would also like to think that it is only a small number who dope. I think it probably is very sport dependent, i.e. sports where a large amount of money can be made like football, rugby, athletics, baseball etc. you are more likely to see doping than sports where less money is on offer like rowing, sailing, archery etc.

It's probably a culture thing as well. Rowing is still very much an upper middle class to upper class sport, a group of people who have usually seen sport as recreational and amateur (rugby union compared to rugby league) and not their main means of making money. At the other end of the spectrum you have football, a worldwide sport with big money involved that offers the kind of life some people couldn't even imagine.

 

[Cloxxki]

Performance depth at 800m athletics seems to be less than it has been. Even compared to 20 years ago.
At 1500m, the US and UK women are dividing the main medals.

 

[Paco_P]

Tygart says the performances of athletes from Jamaica, Russia and Spain are compromised because drug testing in those countries is not stringent enough and does not involve out-of-competition and no-notice testing, or tests for EPO and human growth hormone.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2033444/Nick-Harris-Britain-takes-gold-comes-testing-drugs.html

Until Spain fields an Olympic team including Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Jose Canseco, etc. on the baseball squad, Justin Gatlin, Linford Christie, Maurice Greene, Marion Jones, C.J. Hunter, etc. Lebron James on the basketball side, some NFL players on the rugby team (it's in the Olympics now), Tyler Hamilton, Floyd Llandis, Lance Armstrong, etc. on the cycling team, etc., etc. I think that these stupid claims that US-England are at a disadvantage should be kept quiet. Comic book muscles are typical of US athletes.

The doping programs in Spain are about as competent as the Spanish judicial system - this is why we all know so much about them.

 

[veganrob]

US has the most advanced PED programs in the world. To think otherwise is ridiculous. They are dirty from top to bottom.

 

[roundabout]

I thought Christie was British?

Not that it changes things that much.

 

[Parrot23]

Fergoose made a good point in the Cobo thread. It also relates to BlackCat's comment about a possible false dichotomy:

One thing worth remembering at all times however, is that on the evidence of this Vuelta, if Cobo is doping, he is cheating seemingly brilliant Spanish atheletes like Rodriguez & Anton just as much as anybody else.

The clean cyclists in Spain are at an even bigger disadvantage than clean cyclists in the Anglo and other countries. Tougher to win local races, tougher to get on the national team legitimately.

 

[El Pistolero]

The reason why there are so many good sprinters in Jamaica is: first of all, black people are faster than white people. 100 meters and 200 meters are probably the most popular thing out there in Jamaica and all kids wanna become the new Powell or Usain Bolt. In the USA a lot more sports are popular, so the talent pool is spread out over more sports.