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There are lots of studies which show that the power of positive thinking has no effect on cancer survival rates. Lance was lucky in that he was in the 3-5% group that survive stage IV testicular cancer. He was fortunate in that he had the money and good sense to act as his own advocate in tracking down the best doctors, facilities and treatment programs. But please do not pretend that his attitude was responsible for surviving cancer or that he was the only one to survive cancer. There are plenty of people on this forum who have survived cancer or are currently undergoing intensive treatment. They are going through their own personal battles and they still ride their bikes. Lance is nothing special because he survived cancer: fortunate, yes; his own doing, no.
 
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craig1985 said:
I suppose Lance being in a position to afford the best doctors, medicine etc. would help?
Well it can hardly have hurt. I really don't know how large the difference between top notch care and average care is for cancer. Average care is pretty good in most western countries so the difference might not be that big.
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There are lots of studies which show that the power of positive thinking has no effect on cancer survival rates. Lance was lucky in that he was in the 3-5% group that survive stage IV testicular cancer. He was fortunate in that he had the money and good sense to act as his own advocate in tracking down the best doctors, facilities and treatment programs. But please do not pretend that his attitude was responsible for surviving cancer or that he was the only one to survive cancer. There are plenty of people on this forum who have survived cancer or are currently undergoing intensive treatment. They are going through their own personal battles and they still ride their bikes. Lance is nothing special because he survived cancer: fortunate, yes; his own doing, no.
He was lucky, but not 3-5% lucky. Wikipediasays Armstrong quotes a doctor for saying that he has under 40% chance of survival in his book. Granted 3-5% is under 40%, but I'm sure that's not what he meant. Testicular cancer has a very good prognosis, even at late stages. At early stages survival is close to 100%.
 

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Hugh Januss said:
Hah, you already are.:D

Nah, way off, you get that from my posts in another thread. Methinks you wouldn't be able to accept that I am the same guy if you met me. I like to make people laugh to be that big of a grump. Ever.

Plus a tad defensive, I may add. Perhaps put the apron and the pedal wrench down for a minute! :D

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Type 6 - respect the man for cheating death and i NOW realize the characteristics i despise were necessary for him to not only survive but also call it beforehand. this is a recent revelation for me, unfortunately.....


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I ALREADY called 6. You will have to take 7. :D
 
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elapid said:
#1.

There are lots of studies which show that the power of positive thinking has no effect on cancer survival rates. Lance was lucky in that he was in the 3-5% group that survive stage IV testicular cancer. He was fortunate in that he had the money and good sense to act as his own advocate in tracking down the best doctors, facilities and treatment programs. But please do not pretend that his attitude was responsible for surviving cancer or that he was the only one to survive cancer. There are plenty of people on this forum who have survived cancer or are currently undergoing intensive treatment. They are going through their own personal battles and they still ride their bikes. Lance is nothing special because he survived cancer: fortunate, yes; his own doing, no.

positive thinking may not cure you but negative thinking will kill you.

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erader said:
positive thinking may not cure you but negative thinking will kill you.

ed rader

No, negative thinking will only kill you if commit suicide. Frame of mind has no bearing on survival rates in cancer patients. But attitude does change the quality of life after diagnosis of cancer because people with a more positive attitude will have a better quality of life.
 
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No, negative thinking will only kill you if commit suicide. Frame of mind has no bearing on survival rates in cancer patients. But attitude does change the quality of life after diagnosis of cancer because people with a more positive attitude will have a better quality of life.

alot of folks who are inspired by lance don't know or care about bike racing. and you are taking everything i say literally to fuel your hatred.

please note that i think lance's behavior has been despicable and i think he is a cheat ... but i think they "all" cheat ... and at this point i just don't care.

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alot of folks who are inspired by lance don't know or care about bike racing. and you are taking everything i say literally to fuel your hatred.

please note that i think lance's behavior has been despicable and i think he is a cheat ... but i think they "all" cheat ... and at this point i just don't care.

ed rader

I say this only as an observation. Pro-lance people seem to spin out of control pretty easily when the subject comes up, it seems.

I am pretty much 'over him' and it's only been about 9 months since I turned on him from being a big believer. I think once one crosses over to 'the right side' :)D), it gets a lot easier to defend one's point of view.

Hatred? Ok, whatever, I don't agree but am not going to engage in that argument. Yes, they all cheat (dope), my issues with him don't have too much to do with that. He really just needs to stfu and ride, or stop riding and be Mister Cancer Awareness. He uses cancer to excuse his behavior.

It's inexcusable.
 
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I say this only as an observation. Pro-lance people seem to spin out of control pretty easily when the subject comes up, it seems.

I am pretty much 'over him' and it's only been about 9 months since I turned on him from being a big believer. I think once one crosses over to 'the right side' :)D), it gets a lot easier to defend one's point of view.

Hatred? Ok, whatever, I don't agree but am not going to engage in that argument. Yes, they all cheat (dope), my issues with him don't have too much to do with that. He really just needs to stfu and ride, or stop riding and be Mister Cancer Awareness. He uses cancer to excuse his behavior.

It's inexcusable.

i've followed lance since the beginning and i have been a huge critic of the man for the last few years, especially last year.

i respect lance for being a cancer survivor who inspires many more people than those who hate him. tell you what, go around some "regular" people who know nothing about bike racing and omerta and criticize lance. they'll think you are a hateful idiot who obviously misses the big picture.

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Fact is that cheating death is not that unusual thanks to modern medicine, I can understand why people would respect him for winning the Tour seven times. That is hard. That is impressive. But beating Cancer? Everyone and their mother (and my mother) can do that. Sure a lot of people don't survive, but that has more to do with the skill of the doctors, the kind of cancer, the time of detection and just plain old luck than with any admirable (or unadmirable) characteristics in the Cancer patient. I'm not sure what characteristics exactly you used to despise in him, but really: Do you have any basis for thinking that these characteristics were relevant let alone instrumental to his survival? Any basis at all?

First things first. The odds that anyone could survive the cancer type and stage that Armstong had are extremely slim. That info comes from someone close to me who works in hospital 5-7 days per week.(Operating theatre nurse)

It was not pure medicine that saved Lance. It was his character.

Anything else the haters in the forum say may or may not be true.

It is rude to criticize anyone who has cancer or had cancer.

As to Lances' character, he is focused, stong and ruthless. I think that him and that combo has made him a winner.

I beg to differ on the doper issues.
 
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First things first. The odds that anyone could survive the cancer type and stage that Armstong had are extremely slim. That info comes from someone close to me who works in hospital 5-7 days per week.(Operating theatre nurse)

It was not pure medicine that saved Lance. It was his character.

Anything else the haters in the forum say may or may not be true.

It is rude to criticize anyone who has cancer or had cancer.

As to Lances' character, he is focused, stong and ruthless. I think that him and that combo has made him a winner.

I beg to differ on the doper issues.

That is an idiotic post, let me get this right. People who have suffered from a disease or illness are exempt from criticism whether they behave like an *** or not, that is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Are you saying people who have been ill can do as they please and get away with it?

Another example of cancer being used as a shield and this is what ****es us of. If somebody was actually ill, I could understand that somewhat but Lance is fully recovered and has behaved like an *** many, many times. Just because he had cancer does not excuse that. Period.
 
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i've followed lance since the beginning and i have been a huge critic of the man for the last few years, especially last year.

i respect lance for being a cancer survivor who inspires many more people than those who hate him. tell you what, go around some "regular" people who know nothing about bike racing and omerta and criticize lance. they'll think you are a hateful idiot who obviously misses the big picture.

ed rader

Yeah, you are right because they know nothing. I had a discussion with a friend like this at the Tour of Ireland last year. She couldnt understand why I was ****ed of at him being there. When I explained a few things to her, she was surprised because she only knows the Lance-cancer survivor-turned superathlete hero story. After my explanations, the response was that he sounds like a complete ***.

I am sure everyone knows the saying "never meet your heros" well we know Lance for what he is, we gave him his respect and dues when he first returned in 98. It has been him that has eroded that respect ever since.
 

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That is an idiotic post, let me get this right. People who have suffered from a disease or illness are exempt from criticism whether they behave like an *** or not, that is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Are you saying people who have been ill can do as they please and get away with it?

Another example of cancer being used as a shield and this is what ****es us of. If somebody was actually ill, I could understand that somewhat but Lance is fully recovered and has behaved like an *** many, many times. Just because he had cancer does not excuse that. Period.

You can insult me. You can insult Lance. I have come to the conclusion that I can not control the behavior of anyone else.

However do not belittle cancer survivors or non survivors. You only make yourself small.
 
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Hi people,
I have just read a bunch of posts concerning Armstrong. Can someone (likely the Armstrong haters), tell me, specifically, (point me to a website, article, newspaper, picture, video, etc) what he has done, to warrant the criticism people in this forum have written? Some have said he has behaved reprehensibly.
I'm all ears.
 
flicker said:
You can insult me. You can insult Lance. I have come to the conclusion that I can not control the behavior of anyone else.

However do not belittle cancer survivors or non survivors. You only make yourself small.

Pray tell, how am I belittling anyone who suffered from cancer. If somebody behaves likes an ***, they should be called on it, whether they suffered from a disease or gone through a seriuos illness.

I am asking you if its ok for such a person to do what they want because they survived an illness, is it ok for a cancer survivor to commit fraud, rob people, drink-drive etc because they are survivors.

Everyone knows somedody affected by cancer, I can go straight to my father on that front. That dont mean I should just stand by when he behaves like a tool to other people. "Oh well, he had cancer so its like ok". Do you see the point I am trying to make.
 
kayaspeed said:
Hi people,
I have just read a bunch of posts concerning Armstrong. Can someone (likely the Armstrong haters), tell me, specifically, (point me to a website, article, newspaper, picture, video, etc) what he has done, to warrant the criticism people in this forum have written? Some have said he has behaved reprehensibly.
I'm all ears.

Try googling:
Armstrong v Bassons
Armstrong v Simeoni
Don Catlin testing
6 EPO positive tests
Trying to screw Alberto Contador
Taking huge apperance fees whilst supposedly promoting cancer awareness
 
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flicker said:
You can insult me. You can insult Lance. I have come to the conclusion that I can not control the behavior of anyone else.

However do not belittle cancer survivors or non survivors. You only make yourself small.

I suggest you get off your moral high horse as you're sound sounding like a righteous idiot.

"It was not pure medicine that saved Lance. It was his character."

You're not a member of the Association of Life-Giving Churches are you? Someone sure sounds like they've been watching too many early morning evangelical preacher shows.

"Cancer, be gone!!"
 

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kayaspeed said:
Hi people,
I have just read a bunch of posts concerning Armstrong. Can someone (likely the Armstrong haters), tell me, specifically, (point me to a website, article, newspaper, picture, video, etc) what he has done, to warrant the criticism people in this forum have written? Some have said he has behaved reprehensibly.
I'm all ears.

with respect to doping, this is as good a starting point as any. Again, I don't hold that against him in and of itself. But the charade he carries on that he doesn't is laughable.

http://nyvelocity.com/content/interviews/2009/michael-ashenden
 

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I suggest you get off your moral high horse as you're sound sounding like a righteous idiot.

"It was not pure medicine that saved Lance. It was his character."

You're not a member of the Association of Life-Giving Churches are you? Someone sure sounds like they've been watching too many early morning evangelical preacher shows.

"Cancer, be gone!!"

To each his own. Tip a pint for me mate.
 
erader said:
Type 6 - respect the man for cheating death and i NOW realize the characteristics i despise were necessary for him to not only survive but also call it beforehand. this is a recent revelation for me, unfortunately.....

This is NOT true. People who say you have to a be graceless, lying, controlling a-hole to get anything positive or difficult done have no idea what they're talking about.

He survived cancer because of his doctors.

As for this thread breaking posters down into "types", it's bullcrap. I guess it's important for those who have problems understanding the nuances of human personality to have to categorize things so it can make sense to them, but it's baloney.

Who came up with this stupid list?
 
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kayaspeed said:
Hi people,
I have just read a bunch of posts concerning Armstrong. Can someone (likely the Armstrong haters), tell me, specifically, (point me to a website, article, newspaper, picture, video, etc) what he has done, to warrant the criticism people in this forum have written? Some have said he has behaved reprehensibly.
I'm all ears.

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