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Is anyone really all that shocked? Anyone?

If you didn't think Lance was doing drugs before all the whispering started, all signs certainly pointed to a big loud "uh, yeah" afterward, when it looks like he kicked the habit, and everything went downhill -- fast.

Here are 6 (unscientific) signs that Lance has stopped doping.

1) He got his girlfriend Anna Hansen pregnant -- twice in two years. Lance clearly loved the single life and was dating every blonde celeb he could find. One reason he'd "slip up and settle down" -- he knew when he ...http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/107194/6_signs_lance_armstrong_doped
 
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3 women?

trailrunner said:
...four kids with three different women.

Am I missing something? Which 3 women? I think it's 3 with Kristin and 1 (so far) with Anna. This is an example of the kind of "facts" that fly around this forum...

trailrunner said:
...I'm not a purist or a moralist...

Actually, I think you are. Otherwise what's the point of your post?
 
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Digger said:
(1) He said that he never knew or discussed, with his then best friend Kevin Livingstone, that Kevin was going to Michele Ferrari for treatment, or later that he was under investigation as being one of Ferrari's clients.

(2) He said he hadn't any suspicions whatsoever when the Gewiss 1-2-3 occured, eventhough it was the talk of the peleton and the sport, what Ferrari, the Gewiss doctor had said the day after.

(3) In 2004 he said this about the Simeoni incident:
I was protecting the interests of the peloton" to French TV after the stage and continued by saying, "The story of Simeoni is not a fair story...there's a long history there. All (journalists) want to write about is parts of the story. It's a long history...a guy like (Simeoni), all he wants to do is to destroy cycling...and for me, that's not correct. And I when I went back to the group they said 'chapeau'...thank you very much. Because they understand that (cycling) is their job and that they absolutely love it and they're committed to it and don't want somebody within their sport destroying it. So...for me it's no problem to go on the wheel, to follow the wheel."

In 2008 this is what he said:
“First off, I did not chase Simeoni down, I was simply following his wheel. That is the truth of the matter. I never bridged across to Simeoni. He was in front of me, people were attacking, he accelerated, and I stayed on the wheel. We have footage of the race that will back that up. There was never more than bike length between us. There was no gap closed. There’s a big difference between following wheels and closing a gap.” Armstrong said he’d naturally expected the peloton to follow, and was surprised to see that the pair had opened a gap when they reached the day’s breakaway a few kilometers later.

Armstrong also admits it as being one of the biggest mistakes of his career. If he was just 'following the wheel', why is it such a mistake?!!!

(4) There is a witch hunt against me in France.

(5) Le Monde is a tabloid.

(6) Ferrari was used to measure his body fat percentage.

(7) For two weeks he was asked at the Tour de France of 1999, do you have a TUE? The answer was always no. Then a prescription appeared from the forst few days for corticoids.

(8) What’s your VO2 Max?
Today? I’ve no idea.

What was it?
I don’t know.

You don’t know?
I did some tests back when I was 16.

You don’t know your VO2 Max?
I haven’t done a test in a long time.

What was it?
The best I can remember, the low 80s.

What’s the highest haematocrit you ever registered?
Er…I don’t know. Maybe… 45, 46.

Haematocrit is a tricky number. In 2003 I started the Tour at 39. It varies greatly depending on effort the day before, dehydration, altitude.

In the last couple of years I’ve been 47 48. It doesn't mean I’ve been out taking illegal drugs. I think starting the Tour at 39, that’s a compelling number.

Do you have any Therapeutic Use Exemptions?
No. Never have.

Never? What about the cortisone?
Well, obviously there was the cortisone

Do you believe that Floyd Landis doped?
No.

You made a gift to the UCI back in the early 2000s to buy anti-doping equipment. How much was it?
Er…Well, I can get you an exact number. Around 25,000 dollars. This was a long time ago.

Vino hasn’t expressed remorse and denied everything. Do you see that as a problem?
Listen, if he doesn’t believe he did it…

Did you ever put pressure on Trek to discredit Greg Lemond?
No. Discredit him? Or get rid of his line? Neither.

do you have a link to this interview??
 
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The parallels between cycling and "professional wrestling" are becoming horrifyingly more apparent.

You think?

I say pro wrestlers look like choir boys compared to pro cyclists.
 

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Here's a good one. So Floyd was innocent in 2008 but not now?

Do you believe that Floyd Landis doped?No. I think in a normal American court of law, he’s not guilty. Those arbitrations with USADA and CAS are tough. The arbitrators are in the business of arbitrating in favour of the anti-doping agencies. If I was a juror, I don’t think there was guilt beyond reasonable doubt.
 
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One thing I will never understand about Lance is that he has made millions of people happy with his anti-cancer crusade and his sports successes... yet, his innate ability to make enemies out of ex-friends is something to behold. He's got that Texas perspective of looking at things in binary terms: friend or foe, up or down, in or out, rich or poor, et cetera. No in-betweens.

I mean... on TV he's got an inert ("alpha male") personality. Apart from last year, when Alberto was giving him a run for his money, or when Paul Kimmage is within 500 miles of him, I don't think we've seen that Linda Blairesque (in The Exorcist) thing he does with the people he does not like.

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The people who do not like me.
 
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thehog said:
Here's a good one. So Floyd was innocent in 2008 but not now?

Do you believe that Floyd Landis doped?No. I think in a normal American court of law, he’s not guilty. Those arbitrations with USADA and CAS are tough. The arbitrators are in the business of arbitrating in favour of the anti-doping agencies. If I was a juror, I don’t think there was guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

He and Landis still agree on the above point
 
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Time to update this list, it grows by the day

Armstrong lied about not being paid.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...did-receive-a-salary-from-Astana-in-2009.aspx

Interesting.

So what is the UCI minimum salary mentioned in the article?

Perhaps a 'lie,' but racing for a minimum and not a value based salary is arguably 'racing for free' given the promotional value to the team.

He seems prone to speaking first and thinking later or never, eg his short lived private and personal dope testing program. Oops. Apparently it ended up not fitting in with his 'life-DopeStyle.'
 
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euanli said:
Minimum is thirty three thousand euros. That is not an insubstantial amount.

That's only enough to get the Gulfstream over the Atlantic and 1/2 way back.

Or about a days worth of legal fees.
 
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frenchfry said:
That's only enough to get the Gulfstream over the Atlantic and 1/2 way back.

Or about a days worth of legal fees.

But it's about 3,000 lap dances...

(about 2,000 if you factor in the two-drink minimum)
 
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frenchfry said:
That's only enough to get the Gulfstream over the Atlantic and 1/2 way back.

Or about a days worth of legal fees.

MacRoadie said:
But it's about 3,000 lap dances...

(about 2,000 if you factor in the two-drink minimum)


..or it's enough to get over the Atlantic in a gulfstream full of lapdancers:D
 

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Contador was a better rider than me in the 2010 tour. Actually he colluded with the Basque and threw flypaper under my wheels. The crash I had on stage 8 did not hamper me.
 
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flicker said:
Contador was a better rider than me in the 2010 tour. Actually he colluded with the Basque and threw flypaper under my wheels. The crash I had on stage 8 did not hamper me.

Contador beat cancer.

(already stealing a line from Blackcat)

Dave.
 

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Benotti69 said:
He got lucky as do all who survive.

This part I disagree with. I believe in a higher power, prayer, luck, will to live, proper medical condition, monitoring health, check-ups.good genetics, proper treatment, diet and many other factors.(environment). Also mental toughness.(A-Holeness) Being tough is most important in surviving the big C.
That could be a 6 year old frail girl or a future TdF winner. Cancer ain't picky!

Marin County California, highest percentage of breast cancer in the USA. Luck, I don't think so. I can't wrap cancer in a christmas present of luck. Good or bad.

This is where we all need to be aware. Any organization and individuals devoted to awareness and knowledge are appreciated by me!
 

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D-Queued said:
His victory was a miracle.

Dave.

Can we change the thread title?

I'm not sure it been proven Lance ever lied... he's an inspiration. Too much good for too many people.
 
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thehog said:
Can we change the thread title?

I'm not sure it been proven Lance ever lied... he's an inspiration. Too much good for too many people.

I don't believe he has ever had a positive lie detector test result. :D
 
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flicker said:
Also mental toughness.(A-Holeness) Being tough is most important in surviving the big C.

Utter, utter rubbish - having seen cancer up close, I find it insulting to hear that you believe that "being tough" is enough to beat malignant cellular growth, along with the implication that those who don't survive it somehow weren't "tough" enough.


flicker said:
Marin County California, highest percentage of breast cancer in the USA. Luck, I don't think so. I can't wrap cancer in a christmas present of luck. Good or bad.

The previous poster was talking about luck being a factor in surviving cancer. This appears to have gone completely over your head, as you are talking about luck or lack thereof being a factor in getting cancer in the first place.
 
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The Valley said:
Utter, utter rubbish - having seen cancer up close, I find it insulting to hear that you believe that "being tough" is enough to beat malignant cellular growth, along with the implication that those who don't survive it somehow weren't "tough" enough.....

The previous poster was talking about luck being a factor in surviving cancer. This appears to have gone completely over your head, as you are talking about luck or lack thereof being a factor in getting cancer in the first place.

Before this goes WAY off the tracks, it's important to remember Wonderboy was being doped as a teenager along with other U.S. Team members. Some of his cohorts had some exotic illnesses. His narrative cannot be compared to an ordinary person's.

So, that's the end of that.
 
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