Armstrong Lies

[runninboy]

Remember when Armstrong won the worlds in Oslo, the series of photos at the finish show a face that has the characteristics of a longtime steriod user. My sister who has severe asthma & been on steriods for years immediately recognized that his face looked "just like hers"
Shotputters & discus throwers who abused steriods many times had complications in the testicular area....
You remember what Armstrongs weight was in Oslo? at least 190 lbs
I remember thinking wow he is heavier than me.
And Indurain had some comment immediately afterward that Armstrong rode away from him like he was possessed.
If you think of steriod rage it would make sense with the way he rode as an amateur, alot of stupid attacks. Didn't he fight with some of his teammates at Junior camp and the USOC training center?

A qualified medical professional could look at his behaviour and facial structure early in his career and easily conclude that he was taking steriods.
Testicular cancer could easily be a consequence of the steriod abuse as well.

I dont hate Lance, I just prefer to look at things for what they are.

While he never tested positive for steriods, I cannot pretend that the likely answers to, How can someone ride away from the dominant rider of the time so easily? Why does his face show the characteristics of a steriod user?
Why does his behaviour mimic someone on steriods? Why did he get testicular cancer at such a young age a not uncommon consequence of steriod abuse?

I can't seem to reach any other conclusion then he was juiced then,
so why wouldn't he juice now with a different product?

once a liar & cheater
always a liar & cheater

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

The title is "The Armstrong Lie" It was world news. Perhaps not in your town, but everywhere else. He even went on Larry King to try to lie his way out of it.

Yeah, that was a great one. Especially when King asked him about the 1999 test and LNDD and he flatly stated that he "did not trust that lab". And was judging that from experience. Remember the chorus of agreement from his fans? About how LNDD had a vendetta against him, etc?

The same LNDD lab he seems to now completely and repeatedly trust, as a large amount of his current test samples are being analyzed there.

 

[BigChain]

This coming from someone who thinks that when urine samples sit around, SYNTHETIC EPO forms in them...

The funny thing is that people like you know he doped. If fact, you think its funny that he doped and was never sanctioned. I just wish some of you had the balls to admit it. But your hero only has one, so no such luck.

Uniballer. Balls to admit it. You really are a disgrace.

 

[Eva Maria]

Remember when Armstrong won the worlds in Oslo, the series of photos at the finish show a face that has the characteristics of a longtime steriod user. My sister who has severe asthma & been on steriods for years immediately recognized that his face looked "just like hers"
Shotputters & discus throwers who abused steriods many times had complications in the testicular area....
You remember what Armstrongs weight was in Oslo? at least 190 lbs
I remember thinking wow he is heavier than me.
And Indurain had some comment immediately afterward that Armstrong rode away from him like he was possessed.
If you think of steriod rage it would make sense with the way he rode as an amateur, alot of stupid attacks. Didn't he fight with some of his teammates at Junior camp and the USOC training center?

A qualified medical professional could look at his behaviour and facial structure early in his career and easily conclude that he was taking steriods.
Testicular cancer could easily be a consequence of the steriod abuse as well.

I dont hate Lance, I just prefer to look at things for what they are.

While he never tested positive for steriods, I cannot pretend that the likely answers to, How can someone ride away from the dominant rider of the time so easily? Why does his face show the characteristics of a steriod user?
Why does his behaviour mimic someone on steriods? Why did he get testicular cancer at such a young age a not uncommon consequence of steriod abuse?

I can't seem to reach any other conclusion then he was juiced then,
so why wouldn't he juice now with a different product?

once a liar & cheater
always a liar & cheater

One of Armstrong's nickname's back in the day was "Cortisone Neck". No surprise if your coach is Chris "Extract of Cortisone" Carmicheal.

 

[psychlist]

I was a HUGE story, and one that the Uniballer knows shuts off the legal avenues he has.

Again, why doesn't he sue over the fact that people keep writing about his 6 positives in papers and everywhere else? The guy sued everyone until those samples showed up, why not now?

Don't answer, you don't have the integrity or honesty (just as your hero doesn't) to do so.

This is an excellent point, especially if any of the authors are British and work in Britain.

 

[Anonymous]

Uniballer. Balls to admit it. You really are a disgrace.

No, I'm funny.

 

[Mont Ventoux]

I totally agree. I feel now that LA is back that he has stolen my enjoyment of cycling from me. I've been robbed. I had to endure VERSUS embossing him in gold for the entire three weeks of coverage. His face is on most of my cycling magazines. etc etc. I go to these threads because at least I can hang with others that see the truth of him. It gives me some comfort. But I still feel really peeved that he is back, ruining my favorite sport again.

Rest assured, you are NOT alone!
This guy singlehandedly hijacked the TDF, especially as presented by his mouthpieces at versus ( Phil & Paul show).
Did you know that an AG2R rider was in yellow for over a week?? Well if you watched versus, you'd never know....
That sad coverage by them even had an Astana jersey at the bottom of the screen to indicate the location of uniballer in the peloton.
Like a bad case of herpes, he's made his return to the sport....
and his 3rd place...TOTALLY undeserved, a robbery if you will...

 

[tifosa]

Mos def not alone. I too share those thoughts - as selfish as they are. I prefer the sport without Armstrong.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Good post KellyGirl, Ventoux.

I felt like the sport was coming along. Trying to clean up some, getting some good races going, and we had the rug pulled out underneath us. What amazes me are the people that don't see it. Like, why in the world would anyone want to take us back?

But this wall-to-wall Lance Armstrong saturation of the sport is beyond annoying. It, combined with a boring Tour, made me hardly watch at all this year. I can only, eagerly, await the day that Lance is so old, and so slow, that he's completely dropped on all the climbs, and whipped in all the time trials, and is totally shown the door. Only then will the wall-to-wall coverage, and plethora of excuses stop I fear.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Dear Mr "Dr" < ( your a doctor ..as if ) Maserati...Sir !!!

Well i guess the rest of the cycling and sporting world has failed to read or see the proof of "Armstrong's Doping" in what you say is on public record.

The Fact is Mr Dr. Sir ... It would be "Front Page News" all over the world " LANCE BUSTED FOR DOPING ' ... THERE IS NO SUCH HEAD LINE...IS THERE ....

In reality Sirrrr. Your "bloviation" is just that!!!...

Have a Nice Day!!!

~checkmate~

Yes - you have found me out - I apologise.

I am not a Doctor, nor indeed is that my photo on my avatar - and while I am cleansing my conscious I will admit I had to check "bloviation" on an on-line dictionary, I also haven't played chess in years.

I suppose you will just have to judge me on the content of my postings and what I quoted - and of course if you find something amiss on them let me know and I will immediately correct it and apologise.

I will have a nice day - thank you!
I have a busy day planned but I will check in here periodically and will immediately correct anything you find that I have said to be untruthful.

You have a great day too Mr. Shankapot0mus.

 

[Digger]

No,,,i dont think anything about Contador....Others do !!! there looking into it... as it should be! Contador numbers don't add up..its just a fact...
live with it,,, Shhh ; )

And Lance's numbers do add up?

 

[BigBoat]

While he never tested positive for steriods

Kenacort (Triamcinolone acetonide)

Your forgetting Lance's http://www.mims.com/Page.aspx?menuid=mng&name=Kenacort+cream&CTRY=PH positive test.

 

[runninboy]

One of Armstrong's nickname's back in the day was "Cortisone Neck". No surprise if your coach is Chris "Extract of Cortisone" Carmicheal.

I never knew that! It certainly fits. And of course his appearance has now changed drastically. How is that possible?(he asked knowingly ) I mean if he was grossly obese maybe, but grossly obese people do not win the world championship do they?

 

[craig1985]

What issue of Pro Cycling Magazine was the comments made by Beniot Joachim? I have been subscribing for over a year now and I don't recall reading anything about it, maybe it was there most recent edition (last one I have is the 'Power Issue'). And Joachim was riding for JB last year.

 

[ThisFrenchGuy]

Yes - you have found me out - I apologise.

I am not a Doctor, nor indeed is that my photo on my avatar

But what about those pills you gave me then?
I had the utmost trust in your avatar as well, a symbol of ethical medecine.

 

[Escarabajo]

-I can't even believe that I cheered in the past for this "fraud".

- Not even a conviction? His change in hematocrit from the lower 40's to the upper 40's would be a conviction under the actual Bio Passport anyway. And as far as power numbers during his mountain climbs is concerned, those are sure conviction to my eyes (IMO). Of course I am an engineer and I have to respect and honor the law’s of natures (Energy Conservation integrated over time). His numbers surely belong to athletes that are off the charts in every graph I have seen.

- And why do some people have to call us haters because we believe that Armstrong doped? I once cheered for this guy anyway. Why do we have to be offended for something we believe in?

- And why do some people think that because we believe that he doped and he constantly keep saying lies, we don't ride bikes? I still don't see the relation? Never if my life I have seen such a conflicting "theorem"?

- Is there anything wrong with the Ashenden interview? It made perfect sense to me.

- Why did he say that we would work for Berto, if he proved that he was stronger than him in the tour, and then do otherwise? And then try to put everyone on the team against him when clearly Berto was the stronger? What a shame. And why ruin his moments of glory when Berto was in yellow. Always trying to undermine Berto's success with his stupid twitt comments. Even Peter King in MMQB in Sports Illustrated portrait him like the Manny Ramirez of Cycling. Here read:

"Armstrong Third in Tour de France.'' It's a great accomplishment that a man can sit out of such a competitive sport and then return as one of the oldest men in the race and finish third in the biggest bike race in the world. But as a teammate, Lance Armstrong strikes me as more Manny Ramirez than Tom Brady.

On the day when Astana teammate Alberto Contador virtually clinched the 2009 Tour de France title -- quite precisely, minutes after the stage was over and Contador all but copped the Tour -- Armstrong announced on his Web site, on a Twitter page and on a corporate Web site that he was forming a new team for 2010 in conjunction with RadioShack. How distasteful. How selfish.

Why couldn't Armstrong wait a few days? This day was a day to congratulate Contador and give the champ his due; instead, the New York Times (and I'm sure papers and media outlets around the world) focused on Armstrong forming a new team in that day's story about the Tour, rather than on Contador

Nice compilation of lies in one place only.

 

[dienekes88]

Remember when Armstrong won the worlds in Oslo, the series of photos at the finish show a face that has the characteristics of a longtime steriod user. My sister who has severe asthma & been on steriods for years immediately recognized that his face looked "just like hers"
Shotputters & discus throwers who abused steriods many times had complications in the testicular area....
You remember what Armstrongs weight was in Oslo? at least 190 lbs
I remember thinking wow he is heavier than me.
And Indurain had some comment immediately afterward that Armstrong rode away from him like he was possessed.
If you think of steriod rage it would make sense with the way he rode as an amateur, alot of stupid attacks. Didn't he fight with some of his teammates at Junior camp and the USOC training center?

A qualified medical professional could look at his behaviour and facial structure early in his career and easily conclude that he was taking steriods.
Testicular cancer could easily be a consequence of the steriod abuse as well.

I dont hate Lance, I just prefer to look at things for what they are.

While he never tested positive for steriods, I cannot pretend that the likely answers to, How can someone ride away from the dominant rider of the time so easily? Why does his face show the characteristics of a steriod user?
Why does his behaviour mimic someone on steriods? Why did he get testicular cancer at such a young age a not uncommon consequence of steriod abuse?

I can't seem to reach any other conclusion then he was juiced then,
so why wouldn't he juice now with a different product?

once a liar & cheater
always a liar & cheater

Interesting. I'm not sure, but I think you're confusing the various "steroids." Steroids taken for asthma are corticosteroids. The characteristic "face" you're talking about is probably "moon face," which is a physical manifestation of Cushing's. Steroids associated with "roid rage" are anabolic steroids. Different beasts.

Then again... you could be talking about prednisone psychosis...

 

[pedaling squares]

Interesting thread. Polarized as always when Lance is the topic, but there is some shocking information in there. I'm not sure how anyone can instantly discredit the Ashenden interview - the guy is a qualified expert with nothing to gain from outing Lance for using EPO.

Ok, my favourite lie. Someone might have touched on it way back in the early pages. Posting Catlin's tests online so we could all monitor his levels. Hardly the biggest lie, but one of the more recent ones and it was central to his comeback. This didn't happen, wasn't it written off as being too expensive? I could see that, it's hard to afford this kind of thing when you're riding pro bono and your domestic water bill is several thousand dollars per month. Is it me or is it weird that Lance talked to everyone who would listen about his great plan, but never signed a contract with Catlin?

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/don-catlin-and-lance-armstrong-part-ways-20365/

Oh yeah, IMO the marriage is out of bounds. It ain't cycling and it's just not our business. Anyway, I'd better get my lazy ar$e on a saddle before I get as fat as Chris Carmichael.

 

[Mont Ventoux]

Don't mess with Lance...

Interesting thread. Polarized as always when Lance is the topic, but there is some shocking information in there. I'm not sure how anyone can instantly discredit the Ashenden interview - the guy is a qualified expert with nothing to gain from outing Lance for using EPO.

Ok, my favourite lie. Someone might have touched on it way back in the early pages. Posting Catlin's tests online so we could all monitor his levels. Hardly the biggest lie, but one of the more recent ones and it was central to his comeback. This didn't happen, wasn't it written off as being too expensive? I could see that, it's hard to afford this kind of thing when you're riding pro bono and your domestic water bill is several thousand dollars per month. Is it me or is it weird that Lance talked to everyone who would listen about his great plan, but never signed a contract with Catlin?

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/don-catlin-and-lance-armstrong-part-ways-20365/

Oh yeah, IMO the marriage is out of bounds. It ain't cycling and it's just not our business. Anyway, I'd better get my lazy ar$e on a saddle before I get as fat as Chris Carmichael.

Thanks for reminding us about the Catlin testing lie....The Tour coverage made us all forget....at least I did...
This coming clean via the Catlin testing program was supposed to lend some credance to a " clean comeback", but like all the other posts in this thread, it was yet another lie in his web of deceit.

And with so many lies coming from a 7 time winner, and patron saint of cancer fighting, why shouldn't his sad marriage be subject to public scrutiny? Afterall, he's the guy who had all his women and children in tow for his 3rd place finish in Paris. And LA used team vehicles that were intended for his TEAMMATE and TdF winner Alberto Contador, but instead used them to pick up his family instead.
Just my opinion, but if he's gonna keep wacking us, the public with his larger than life existence ON and OFF the bike life saga, then by all means, his marriage is open for debate and discussion.
When one steps into the limelight, one also steps into the line of fire.

 

[thehog]

The sub plot of his first book is how great his marriage is. Little mention of Lisa Shiels, the girlfriend who nursed him through cancer....the one he cheated on with Kristen.

Back to the lies

"Those samples did not have EPO in them when I gave them"

Lisa pictured here. She's very happy these days.

 

[thehog]

Thanks for reminding us about the Catlin testing lie....The Tour coverage made us all forget....at least I did...
This coming clean via the Catlin testing program was supposed to lend some credance to a " clean comeback", but like all the other posts in this thread, it was yet another lie in his web of deceit.
.

Hi I was told to post this here:

According to Lance Armstrong, “My goal in agreeing to participate in this program is to reduce speculation and debate about drug testing issues that might divert attention away from what my cycling comeback is all about – our global cancer campaign. I am riding in 2009 to help end the stigma of cancer, build a grassroots movement about worldwide cancer collaboration, and make cancer a worldwide priority.”

According to Dr. Don Catlin, “We have developed an extensive monitoring program. It accomplishes my goals:

1. To have high frequency testing to maximize the amount of data collected and minimize possibilities the athlete might have to thwart the system,

2. To store frozen samples for two to eight years to give ADSI the ability to perform new or additional tests, and

3. To be independent and offer program transparency to the public and international anti-doping authorities."

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Oh yeah, IMO the marriage is out of bounds. It ain't cycling and it's just not our business.

This.

Remember it.

Susan

 

[richwagmn]

I love this one. It is the most recent one. Or not?

You mean the way Kloden and LA were chasing AC up Verbier?

 

[workingclasshero]

This.

Remember it.

Susan

i disagree. he has himself used his marriage and family to portray himself as some sort of an allround dream of a person in the eyes of the public to make big dosh, much like tiger the cheetah, which is why taking the píss and pointing out his failure to be a good husband and father is on.

 

[thehog]

i disagree. he has himself used his marriage and family to portray himself as some sort of an allround dream of a person in the eyes of the public to make big dosh, much like tiger the cheetah, which is why taking the píss and pointing out his failure to be a good husband and father is on.

Even Kristin has talked about him publicly. FedEx love it!
______
It was in February, during yet another training session, that the couple separated after a row. Kristin, who he married five years ago, had thought she would be able to bear long absences from her husband and raising their children often alone. But the reality was proving different.

Anyone who visited Armstrong's website, where former PR executive Kristin wrote an online journal, could see the storm approaching.

"I hate the feeling of a family divided. Maybe I can get Lance to do the 50-miler on tandem with me next year," she wrote. Sometimes I get so busy doing for everyone that I forget what I think is fun. My spirit needs a little sun.

"I try to carve out escapes for myself. One night, I was staring off into space, scrubbing pots like a woman possessed, dreaming of going to Jamaica, alone."

The day after the split was announced - by email to their local paper in Austin, Texas - the entries disappeared from the site. Soon rumours began emerging that Armstrong had been having an affair with a student from San Francisco. His agents refuse to confirm or deny the allegations, but Armstrong has always been known as a ladies' man. When he was single, he earned the nickname FedEx, whose company slogan is "When you absolutely, positively have to have it overnight". Kristin remembers: "My friends were hoping he would not go anywhere near me. They were like, 'pro athlete, really good-looking - forget it'. Even Armstrong admits: "Kristin was unsure about me. She had heard about my reputation. She didn't intend to be a casualty."

http://www.dailypeloton.com/displayarticle.asp?pk=4501