Armstrong Lies

[JMBeaushrimp]

Before this goes WAY off the tracks, it's important to remember Wonderboy was being doped as a teenager along with other U.S. Team members. Some of his cohorts had some exotic illnesses. His narrative cannot be compared to an ordinary person's.

So, that's the end of that.

Don't count on it. Be aware of the choir you're preaching too. These people are insane. Present company excluded, of course...

 

[flicker]

Before this goes WAY off the tracks, it's important to remember Wonderboy was being doped as a teenager along with other U.S. Team members. Some of his cohorts had some exotic illnesses. His narrative cannot be compared to an ordinary person's.

So, that's the end of that.

Don't believe every urban myth you hear. I am sure that info came from troll sock-pupets who fly beneath my radar. I am sorry I don't have time for your negativity.

 

[TexPat]

Don't believe every urban myth you hear. I am sure that info came from troll sock-pupets who fly beneath my radar. I am sorry I don't have time for your negativity.

Oh, Flicker! Shouldn't you be running for the hills right about now?

 

[Benotti69]

Oh, Flicker! Shouldn't you be running for the hills right about now?

he is, he has wireless internet.

 

[thehog]

he is, he has wireless internet.

I like these one before the comeback 2.0:

The subject swings, inevitably, to the dreaded topic: doping. Another reason Armstrong is entering the Tour is to bury the notion, once and for all, that drugs helped propel him to victory, that his generation of cyclists were deviants. By winning the 2009 Tour, under rigid anti-doping strictures, he believes he’ll forever silence the doubters. “You know, when I first came back, in ’98, ’99, there was a huge revenge factor,” he explains. “I was basically just not wanted by the sport. And was kicked out of the French team because I was cancer sick and so I was angry at people. And I was going to come back and prove that a survivor could do that. There’s a little of that revenge spirit in me now.

“There’s this perception in cycling that this generation is now the cleanest generation we’ve had in decades, if not forever. And the generation that I raced with was the dirty generation. And, granted, I’ll be totally honest with you, the year that I won the Tour, many of the guys that got 2nd through 10th, a lot of them are gone. Out. Caught. Positive Tests. Suspended. Whatever.… And so I can understand why people look at that and go, Well, [they] were caught—and you weren’t? So there is a nice element here where I can come with really a completely comprehensive program and there will be no way to cheat.”

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/09/armstrong200809

 

[Benotti69]

I like these one before the comeback 2.0:

The subject swings, inevitably, to the dreaded topic: doping. Another reason Armstrong is entering the Tour is to bury the notion, once and for all, that drugs helped propel him to victory, that his generation of cyclists were deviants. By winning the 2009 Tour, under rigid anti-doping strictures, he believes he’ll forever silence the doubters. “You know, when I first came back, in ’98, ’99, there was a huge revenge factor,” he explains. “I was basically just not wanted by the sport. And was kicked out of the French team because I was cancer sick and so I was angry at people. And I was going to come back and prove that a survivor could do that. There’s a little of that revenge spirit in me now.

“There’s this perception in cycling that this generation is now the cleanest generation we’ve had in decades, if not forever. And the generation that I raced with was the dirty generation. And, granted, I’ll be totally honest with you, the year that I won the Tour, many of the guys that got 2nd through 10th, a lot of them are gone. Out. Caught. Positive Tests. Suspended. Whatever.… And so I can understand why people look at that and go, Well, [they] were caught—and you weren’t? So there is a nice element here where I can come with really a completely comprehensive program and there will be no way to cheat.”

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/09/armstrong200809

"So there is a nice element here where I can come with really a completely comprehensive program and there will be no way to cheat"....like the last 7 times i rode where i cheated my a$$ off with help from the lusanne lab, UCI and my family friend Michele Ferarri.

 

[Race Radio]

“The riskiest thing you can do is get greedy.”
― Lance Armstrong

 

[thehog]

“The riskiest thing you can do is get greedy.”
― Lance Armstrong

When team-strong were planning Comeback 2.0 I hope they put Landis and Hamilton under "risks". Be stupid if they didn't think that some of the "old friends" would want some retribution from the Don.

 

[Juicy McDrip]

I love it when so-called journalists start talking about what's off-limits.

But you'll use it when it suits you -- or when it suits the powerful:
http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/sep03/sep04news2
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-to-be-father-for-fourth-time

Bravo......

 

[BillytheKid]

This is an endless soap opera.

Armstrong doped.

The whole peloton probably does as well.

Testing is still a joke.

I guess the ruling on Contador is being well-thought out...so it takes time.

If I were Armstrong, I might lie too considering all the fraud garbage and prison time.

Advertising can be fraudulent.

There are truth-in-advertising laws as well, but I don't think they are ever enforced.

Is U.S Postal's super-nice, clean-cut actor a fraud? Most postals are typically super-not-nice, but, hey, when you're dealing with a state-run, enterprise line of people 40 deep, I would be too. Besides the actor's wearing make up and is CG'd to the max.

Not much is real on TV. Not even reality shows.

Armstrong was a marketing star, not unlike the actor. Sponsorship is advertising.

Advertising is never truthful in my mind.

Mach Schau!

 

[Benotti69]

<snip>

keep believing the lie and clicking your yella heels together saying "there is no place like live$trong".......

 

[BillytheKid]

keep believing the lie and clicking your yella heels together saying "there is no place like live$trong".......

You don't seem to be getting the picture. It's not about the camera.

 

[The Plediadian]

This is an endless soap opera.

Armstrong doped.

The whole peloton probably does as well.

Testing is still a joke.

I guess the ruling on Contador is being well-thought out...so it takes time.

If I were Armstrong, I might lie too considering all the fraud garbage and prison time.

Advertising can be fraudulent.

There are truth-in-advertising laws as well, but I don't think they are ever enforced.

Is U.S Postal's super-nice, clean-cut actor a fraud? Most postals are typically super-not-nice, but, hey, when you're dealing with a state-run, enterprise line of people 40 deep, I would be too. Besides the actor's wearing make up and is CG'd to the max.

Not much is real on TV. Not even reality shows.

Armstrong was a marketing star, not unlike the actor. Sponsorship is advertising.

Advertising is never truthful in my mind.

Mach Schau!

Woah there,
big fella.

The only thing proven here is that Lance is a marketing star, as well as the greatest Tour de France cyclist of all time.
Just because 507 posters want to throw Lance to the dogs, (or under the bus,)doesn't mean everything they say and believe is true.

 

[Race Radio]

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Ahh, the "everyone was doing it" defense

At what point is it ok to question the lies and criminal activity? Does Armstrong get a pass on everything or just the doping stuff?

 

[thehog]

Ahh, the "everyone was doing it" defense

At what point is it ok to question the lies and criminal activity? Does Armstrong get a pass on everything or just the doping stuff?

I hope he wasn’t doing it when he broke the state record in the 10-mile time trial when he is 15! ;-)

 

[Velodude]

Seeing this is the "Armstrong Lies" I am going to reproduce references I have made in other threads that expose his self created myths.

Playboy interview 2005

PLAYBOY : Your coach, Chris Carmichael, has said you're not unique as a physical specimen but that you're pretty special. Isn't your heart 30 percent bigger than normal?

ARMSTRONG: : It's bigger. And my muscles supposedly produce less lactic acid. But you know what's interesting? There's a big artery that runs from the middle of your body to your lower half, down to your legs. I had some scans done, and the doctors couldn't believe it: My artery is three times the size of a normal person's.

He also makes an interesting comment about his testosterone levels being chronically low

PLAYBOY : After you lose a testicle, does the other one stay where it was or does it move to the middle?

ARMSTRONG: : It stays. Mine stayed left. You also produce less testosterone. The one that remains picks up a bit of the slack for his buddy who's gone, but not all of it. Since 1996 I've had chronically low testosterone, and I can't do anything about it.

PLAYBOY : It's a banned substance. You couldn't race if you replaced the testosterone you lost.

ARMSTRONG: : I have to wait until I retire. It's not a question of being manly or being a sexual god, but I worry about osteoporosis. Chronically low testosterone leads to brittle bones.

T/E ratios in an average male is 1:1. WADA/UCI permit 4:1 (Floyd Landis result in 2006 was 12:1 to lead to the synthetic steroid test).

If Armstrong had a chronically low t/e ratio he would be at a huge natural disadvantage to his competitors. And he claims he never touches testosterone because it is a banned substance

I know of a rider who who had testicular cancer and ended up the same as LA. But he has a TUE and he only competes at club level.

 

[BillytheKid]

We are all liars and hypocrites...

Armstrong is not the big, bad boggy man. Flawed? Sure.

Some here are into it for the spectacle. Like a public hanging.

Mach Schau!

 

[BillytheKid]

I hope he wasn’t doing it when he broke the state record in the 10-mile time trial when he is 15! ;-)

A 1989 or 1990 USCF Record book would have "national" records of date printed in them. No PDF links to be found. I tossed mine years ago. I wonder if the cycling news staff would up to a story on it. How this high altitude, straight-and -flat course holds more than a few records at 20 and 40K....

 

[rhubroma]

This is an endless soap opera.

Armstrong doped.

The whole peloton probably does as well.

Testing is still a joke.

I guess the ruling on Contador is being well-thought out...so it takes time.

If I were Armstrong, I might lie too considering all the fraud garbage and prison time.

Advertising can be fraudulent.

There are truth-in-advertising laws as well, but I don't think they are ever enforced.

Is U.S Postal's super-nice, clean-cut actor a fraud? Most postals are typically super-not-nice, but, hey, when you're dealing with a state-run, enterprise line of people 40 deep, I would be too. Besides the actor's wearing make up and is CG'd to the max.

Not much is real on TV. Not even reality shows.

Armstrong was a marketing star, not unlike the actor. Sponsorship is advertising.

Advertising is never truthful in my mind.

Mach Schau!

Amen........

 

[Velodude]

We are all liars and hypocrites...

Armstrong is not the big, bad boggy man. Flawed? Sure.

Some here are into it for the spectacle. Like a public hanging.

Mach Schau!

Willy, if we set up forum threads for each of the below presented multiple TdF winners (3 or more Tour wins) to detail their cycling related lies I doubt we could record a single revealing post for each rider.

Jacques Anquetil – 1957, 1961-1964
Eddy Merckx – 1969-72, 1974
Bernard Hinault – 1978-79, 1981-82, 1985
Miguel Indurain – 1991-1995
Philippe Thys – 1913-14, 1920
Louison Bobet – 1953-1955
Greg LeMond – 1986, 1989, 1990
Alberto Contador - 2007, 2009-10

 

[Race Radio]

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At what point is it OK to question his actions? Are money laundering, fraud, and tax evasion exempt from question or just the doping stuff? Does this amnesty extend to everyone for all crimes or is ti special for Lance because he sold his myth better?

Could you show me the part of the criminal code that allows for the "Everyone was doing it" defense? It didn't work with Mom it will not work with the Feds

 

[Cobblestoned]

At what point is it OK to question his actions? Are money laundering, fraud, and tax evasion exempt from question or just the doping stuff? Does this amnesty extend to everyone for all crimes or is ti special for Lance because he sold his myth better?

Could you show me the part of the criminal code that allows for the "Everyone was doing it" defense? It didn't work with Mom it will not work with the Feds

I could show you a criminal code and kind of judgement that says: "Because of the circumstances and because everyone was doing it, criminal energy can be considered as low".

 

[Cobblestoned]

I could show you a criminal code and kind of judgement that says: "Because of the circumstances and because everyone was doing it, criminal energy can be considered as low".

btw, you are again starting to get your babble-snip-trollbabble tourette attacks.
Next to your usual fraud-taxevasion-jetfuel-hookers-blow tourette attacks.
Not that we would bother about them, good entertainment on hourly basis,
but please stop trying to disrespect and devaluate other users again.
It doesn't look when you do this. Your mission, you know.

Thanks.
btw, I should become a mod.

Man, now I really made myself laugh.
The pure impression of RR running around and screaming things like
"jailtime, jailtime"
"hookers and blow",
"fraud, fraud, fraud, liar"
"Aaaarmstrong, fraud, fraud"
all the time, is just golden. But real for the internetz.

Get a life, dude.

 

[ChrisE]

Man, now I really made myself laugh.
The pure impression of RR running around and screaming things like
"jailtime, jailtime"
"hookers and blow",
"fraud, fraud, fraud, liar"
"Aaaarmstrong, fraud, fraud"
all the time, is just golden. But real for the internetz.

Get a life, dude.

Not really sure why you ratcheted it up on RR in reply to his recent post; I didn't find it alarmist. At no point should the "everybody is doing it" be a defense IMO, and if it can be proven in court or if he pleas to them then I think he is probably in a pretty small group. As Bum Phillips once said when describing Earl Campbell "If he's not in a class by himself, it doesn't take long to call roll".

 

[Race Radio]

Not really sure why you ratcheted it up on RR in reply to his recent post; I didn't find it alarmist. At no point should the "everybody is doing it" be a defense IMO, and if it can be proven in court or if he pleas to them then I think he is probably in a pretty small group. As Bum Phillips once said when describing Earl Campbell "If he's not in a class by himself, it doesn't take long to call roll".

Earl Campbell!!! I loved watching that guy crash into people. Can you image him on a track bike with those thighs!