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oh i dont care.. lol.. im just explaining why hes a) not doing much talking and b) explaining to whoever asked why livestrong arent getting more publicity...

you only have to mention lance around here and war breaks out.. :D

isnt it amazing though.. everyone complains about how much publicity he gets, lance this, lance that.. and even when he says nothing people find something to talk about.. the fact that he is saying nothing.. if he said something, they would talk about that..

i think theres a few people here secretly like lance.. ;)
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
I don't like the guy, but it isn't his duty to talk to the press. A lot of guys don't talk to them. Who cares? Non-story. Get over it.

+100 - He showed up to race, and the hype around that is good enough.

Alpe d'Huez said:
On the flip side, what exactly has he done for Levi at this Giro? I don't recall seeing him put in any long pulls for him, get water bottles, or anything like that.

I have to agree - now that he has established where he fits into the team structure, he needs to do some work - that will go a LOONNGGGG way to even garner more support for his cause too
 
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dimspace said:
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there is of course a perfectly valid reason he is not talking to the media...

because he is posting pretty much daily video blogs on livestrong.. he doesnt want people to read what he has to say in the newspapers, he wants them to go to livestrong and watch it there because it is publicity for the corporation (no doubt him as well)...

people round here really need to stop viewing everything with anti-astana tinted glasses... (and no.. mine arent rose tinted.. im just smart enough to know why hes doing what hes doing, its perfectly normal media aware behaviour)

+987324517 You've got that right.

The mainstream press, even cycling media are hard pressed to write something original. They cannibalize off each other (sorry cyclingnews). :D It's because of that I could care less if he grants every John Doe an interview. What's the point?

Dim, like you I think there are a lot of closet Lance lovers here dressed in hater clothing, obsessed to the max! :eek:
 
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cyclelicious said:
Dim, like you I think there are a lot of closet Lance lovers here dressed in hater clothing, obsessed to the max! :eek:

I agree, they crack me up. He is smarter than most of you Lance-haters like to think.

#1 - considering how you hate the fact that he is paid to start the Giro and you hate the publicity he gets - you continue to be part of the publicity machine by continually posting new threads about him. Whats the old adage about 'no such thing as bad publicity',

#2 - by refusing to talk to the media, he ups the ante. If you want to know what he is thinking, you have to go to his website or Twitter,

#3 - by publishing his own views, he can get his message out verbatim, without being taken out of context or misquoted.

#4 Livestrong continues to get coverage which is part of what he wanted to do, notwithstanding his desire to race again.

So who are the dumbf##ks in all of this? Not LA/JB I think.

PS I have heard that there is a race on in Italy at the moment.:)
 
davidg said:
I agree, they crack me up. He is smarter than most of you Lance-haters like to think.

You know, funny thing is I fully supported the movement to neutralize the stage. It's great to see riders mobilize and refuse to participate in a stage they considered too dangerous. After all, there's no race without the riders.
They deserve to have a say.

Fact is that Lance chose to save face rather than own up to his role in the worker action -- something he should be proud about.

Which only goes to show it's all about Lancestrong.

Long story short, I disagree. I tend to think he's too dumb to realize the sport far outweighs his ego.
 
In terms of Lance doing his bit ... he seemed to be helping Levi get safely down the descent towards the end of the stage today - and I am not sure we've seen a lot more than this but then we have not seen much from the most of the other Astana riders either. We will see more as and when/if Levi is in pink ;)

The talk to the press thing is interesting - and in North America I think there is more of a sense that pro-sport folk are required to speak to the press - it's part of their job - they are to some extent in the entertainment industry. In non US pro-sport I am not sure the same expectaion exists. Some folk do speak to the press and others don't - it's kind of up to them. So I think comparing cycling to NHL, NBA, NFL etc is not particularly useful. Be interested in others views of this?
 
Hey 180.

You seem to suggest that Euro athletes are not in the entertainment industry.
How so?

And how does that jive with the Giro organizer's comments that (to paraphrase) he lamented the lack of spectacle in the neutralized stage?

Regarding those who do and don't speak to the media: I really don't think it's the athlete's choice, North America or not. Media focus on the topic of interest.

No disrespect intended, but fourth line players, back-ups and domestiques don't register on the general public's radar. And it'd be sure folly if the media ignored the major players at the expense of those mentioned above.
 
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This guy can't catch a break when the giro commentator had a love affair with LA we were ****ed off because he's always in the media, now he's avoiding the media WBT has a problem with it, how I see it he's shutting up and racing. Frankly I'm sicking of talking about this guy let him win a stage first and then we can talk about him. P.S I think White Boy is a troll, or as people say an undercover Lance lover.
 
the delgados said:
Hey 180.

You seem to suggest that Euro athletes are not in the entertainment industry.
How so?

I agree it is a matter of opinion what constitutes the entertainment business.

I guess I always think about the nature of the event. You can't really have a concert, a movie or a show without the audience - it exists for those watching. A sporting event can exist without the spectators - it is for the competitors. This would seem to be fundementally different to me.

This gets a bit blurry with US pro-sports - the way they work the relationship is a little different - they are more commercial in nature - the NHL, NBA franchises tend to die if the fans don't turn up to watch. This is not exclusive to US pro-sport but it is more pronounced than in other professional sports say football (soccer), rugby, cricket in the rest of the World.

Does this make sense?
 
180:

I agree that a sporting event can exist without spectators, but only at the amateur level. This is where the athletes fund the event by paying out of their own pockets.

I don't necessarily agree that N. American sports rely on a paying audience for their survival. Look at the NFL, whose teams are bathing in money despite playing only eight home games per year. The majority of their revenue comes from TV contracts. Imagine Brett Favre, Tyrell Owens, or Peyton Manning refusing an interview with, say, NBC. Not gonna happen. They know what side their bread is buttered on.

I think that teams will eventually offer free admission to fans in order to fill the seats. Better for TV ratings.

Which, come to think of it, already happens in pro cycling. Revenue for teams or riders is not generated by those who wait for hours to watch a peloton disappear in an instant. It comes from sponsors who rely on media exposure to sell their message.

I'm rambling. How are sports like rugby, football and cricket different from N. American counterparts?

Please forgive me if I missed your point altogether.
 
At the risk of boring folk...because this in not really about cycling

I think there are two different issues

1. IMO Sport fundemenatally exists for the competitors not the spectators. Entertainment like a show, movie or concert exists for the spectators. It doesn't matter who is paying or how it's funded they are different types of events - that's my main point. I hope I am being clear about that bit?

2. How pro-sport works in the US and the rest of the World works is another issue. But I am happy to discuss also. US pro-sport teams are typically franchises that are commercial in nature. They even get moved around the country depending on financial viability and ownership. (As is happening with Phoenix NHL team right now). There is something different here than a typical Football, Cricket or Rugby team that is defined by its location - Manchester UTD or Chelsea FC could never move to another city. There are other differences too but this is the easiest one to explain.

I am not sure how well I have explained this and I am sure others could do a better job. :rolleyes:

Anyway let's get back to cycling :)
 
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davidg said:
PS I have heard that there is a race on in Italy at the moment.:)


Is that a quote from LA? Well, he is 5 minutes behind!!!!
It's like he decided to go for a training ride in Italy and got caught up in a bike race.
 
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Hotbrakes said:
Is that a quote from LA? Well, he is 5 minutes behind!!!!
It's like he decided to go for a training ride in Italy and got caught up in a bike race.
He has a teammate in 4th spot who he is riding for on GC. He is still top 20 even though he will be doing a lot of work on the front to help LL. None of the other leading riders have more than one team mate in the top 20, Astana had 4 until Horner dropped out.
For a 37 y.o. who broke his collarbone 6 weeks ago, I would say he is doing OK, he has been in the leading pack until the last climbs.

Maybe you could create a thread to slag off the other 100+ who are behind him on GC.
 
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rhubroma said:
Maybe guys like you, with painfully limited critical thinking skills, would like to spoon him at night too...

Getting personal aren't we! You proved nothing, but that your a sorry little person! Get a girlfriend and a life!
 
Would you people please stop with the stupid flame wars? Honestly who cares if some people are a big fan of a certain rider and some people really dislike a certain rider? Stop attacking each other over it with personal flames, it's just completely nonsensical. Everyone is entitled to enjoy the sport in their own way and they're NOT all going to identify with the same riders. What does it accomplish to insult fellow cycling fans because they don't like the rider you like or like the rider you don't? Who the heck cares?

Agree to disagree about your like/dislike of whichever rider and move on. But please stop the useless personal attacks - not only do they bring nothing to the discussion but they are really making the forum an unenjoyable thing to read. :(