You need to tone it down. All of you do.
If you don't like what someone else has to say, ignore them.
If you don't like what someone else has to say, ignore them.
Yes, Delgado took probenecid and it was not (yet) on the UCI banned list, so they had a (good) excuse not to take him down.Galic Ho said:Ever heard of Delgado Mr. editor in chief?
Go back to the loony bin and stay there.
BigBoat said:"Contador calls for end to defamatory comments" SUPER LOL, hahahahahaha
Talk to Floyd and see how that ends.
webvan said:Yes, Delgado took probenecid and it was not (yet) on the UCI banned list, so they had a (good) excuse not to take him down.
Just read the 18 pages and what's amazing is how some people just can't discuss the facts reasonably and stop being fanboys, how sad.
As a cycling fan I'm not bothered either way whether Contador or Schleck wins the TdF, although I must say I was not impressed by the way he won this year's tour or by his "troucing" of the competition LA style last year. But if the roles were reversed and Schleck was in the "hot seat" the topic would be equally "interesting" to me.
Just my 2 cents
As for the Astana "insider" who spilled the beans...has to be someone pretty "senior", possibly someone who's "paid" for similar problems in the past and who claims to have been "framed" and who is now doing things "right". A bit like an ex-smoker who can't stand smokers next to him...
JRTinMA said:You are right the motive doesn't change the truth. If Landis got his ride at TRS you think he would have broken omerta? Astana was ****ed Pharmador left and they released info on his doping. Maybe its revenge or maybe its truth but equally well crafted as his lame streak story.
SpartacusRox said:Yep, makes sense. A team that has already missed one TdF would risk being kicked out of the next one by outing its star rider who just won the Tour for them.
I think you guys believe what you read in the womens magazines too.
"a source within the team the team" what a load of ********. Like Bertie is going to discuss his doping practices with the peons from Astana standing around, in a sport where you wouldn't even trust your best mate.
Next you will be telling me Lance is guilty!!
ChrisE said:Nearly as unbelievable as parking the bus on the side of the road and having a refill party.
Galic Ho said:These guys will never stop. You win a race and you're fair game for them.
TFF is really getting pathetic. No Lance to pick on so he jumps ship. But he is American...enough said. As I said, get them all or don't bother.
Contador overweight and underpowered! A joke gone horribly afoul. Seriously, that is the best people can come up with. If you believe that you are truly an idiot. Take clenbuterol to lose a pound! He didn't do so well at the Dauphine!
Think of it this way. Who watched the ToC? The Ardennes classics? All the big events up to the TdF? How did Andy Schleck go in comparison to Contador? If I were to show a person with no knowledge of cycling this years ToC footage and ask them to point out which rider came second in the TdF, nobody would pick Schleck. Why is that? If someone is banking blood and not having to perform at every race, just for the TdF, he would be candidate no.1. Oh, he's the next in sight for next year!
Good luck guys with the BS and half truths. Contador is just about the best performer year in and year out for 4 years now. Either way, doping aside, he sure has a lot of talent to back it. Lance didn't race at all. Those of us who were here for the good parts/times of the Clinic know why! AC sure is impressive despite all those blood withdrawals. You'd think if they were so demanding, he'd race less frequently and as hard...like perhaps Andy Schleck. You want to know why the Clinic turned into a cesspool of crap and all the good poster left or rarely post. It's because of you. This forum is nowhere near as informative or as logical as it was a year ago. This time last year it started decaying. Too much ****ing and moaning. Always wanting it one way (yours) and not looking at the whole picture. Some people here possess circular logic. You're trapped by your own beliefs. Boring, uncreative and unreasonable people is what you are.
Galic Ho said:I don't understand your second paragraph. What are you talking about? Who are you talking about? You mention this years Tour and then go out of context in the same sentence and reference Lance and last year. Last year Contador won...but not by miles...the ITT got him time and his chrono. Schleck would have been within a minute if not for those, just like this year. If anyone is behaving like Lance use to race wise it is Schleck. Heck, even Lance raced the Tour de Suiise and the Dauphine.
Sorry Alpe. I just get sick and tired of seeing the best forum on the site turned into a personal..."I don't like this rider because of"...so a forumist then bad mouths the focus of their distate and make low cracks at riders who don't even ride anymore. These people will continue to do this for all time if they're allowed. One year Lance, the next year AC...who next? Chavanel? Cunego? Oh right, they don't win. I thought people would have been happy this years Tour looked cleaner than any of the last 15 years, but no, some still want their pound of flesh. Wait a while, I'll get you a cleaver.
I'll put it this way. I'm no Armstrong fan, but he looked very human at the ToC and TdF. No more superman. His team mates also suffered. Sad thing is, MCQuaid was right to a degree and people don't want to admit. Cycling is getting cleaner. Not fast enough for some.But does that excuse people from lacking logic and commonsense? Answer the questions I asked in the above post if you can. Blood values, weight and time to ween out bad substances and lose weight. List the details...the numbers. If you apply common sense as I indicated you should, most of this seems bogus. So what is the likely posibility given what most people here know about cycling? Somebody is ****ed off and yes, grudges do exist and money talks loudly. This seems way too far fetched. A pro cyclist, one of the fittest people alive, can lose weight in day. A well known Aussie fighter lost 10kg in a week to make a post retirement fight. Not muscle mass, body fat. No drug use. Just using your brain and knowing your body. If you personally don't understand this...I suggest you learn more about your body. Head to your local gym and see a PT.
Which begs me to ask is this even valid? Is what the Hog said pages back true? Is this magazine a parody. A s**** magazine? I hope not for Velonews and CN sake. Legal action is never friendly. Always hurts your pocket if you're jumping the gun.
Maybe some people need to go and read the article CN put up earlier and listen to the answers Landis gave. He wasn't specific but one can see where he was heading with his answers. Is drug testing perfect? No. Is the application and accountability it offers acceptable to all parties? No. Is there inadequacies for the riders. Yes. Focus on fixing the system instead of baying for more blood. Enough is being taken for use as it is.![]()
Cloxxki said:This article, true or not, should drastically change the doping limits of PEDs. It all makes so much sense! The slightly lesser climbing performances, the less drastic form changes mid-tour, and the anxiously riding Contador.
If he can't use older blood, his options ARE limited in terms of drawing. BUT, he can dope pretty heavily in times he doesn't expect an OOC test, especially with stuff that halftimes as quickly as clen, diluted 30x in a blood refill.
So these guys are now refilling with more compact equipment, on a more regular basis. Perhaps the post-DL bag was the option he didn't want to need before Tourmalet, but felt uncomfortable passing on. It may have been more of a plecebo to him than physical performance enhancer.
Something else, could riders use the 150ml to get some other helpful stuff into their system? Some vitamins, minerals, what have you? Transfusion is a banned method, might as well make very good use of it every time you do it? More frequent, smaller-volume fill-ups should be handy for conditioning all health parameters. Beats taking 20 different pills.
rolfrae said:Next year's Tour is Andy Schleck's to lose, just as long as he works out a way to get round the new plasticizers test.
El Pistolero said:In fact Contador is the only GT contender who actually does decent at every stage race he enters. The others suck all year long except when they're in a GT.
Lots of words here, but the underlying message makes me lolGalic Ho said:Do you even watch cycling races? Contador came second in the Dauphine the prior season as well! How well was Andy Schleck's season going at that point in time? Pathetic. But everyone knew he'd be up in the top flight of riders at the Tour. Same with Contador. Race form at the Dauphine for Contador means squat. Where was Brajkovic at the Tour? You're comparing apples and oranges. Brajkovic is nowhere near the level Contador is. Contador uses the Dauphine as a training event. He does not try and win it anymore. The last time he won it, he wasn't the no.1 GT rider on his team. That was 2007, where Leipheimer was the teams no.1 rider. Using his form to suggest doping is almost completely baseless.
Someone else said he needed to drop 2-3 kilos. The article said a pound, two at most. A pound weighs 0.45kg. Get your conversions right people. If you cannot fathom different measurement systems, then don't open your flapper. Do you gooses, realise how easy it is to drop a pound? An extra training session or two and proper nutrition. Easy peasy. Especially for an active, thin but proportionally muscle mass sports star. He's not shedding fat to 3% body mass like a body builder! He is going down to 6%. Not hard to do clean. Stupid to do it with a drug, especially in the window before the TdF but after the Dauphine. FFS! Some people here think an extra half a kilo will matter against a guy like Brajkovic! hahaha. AC's Dauphine performance was mental, nothing more. Stop wasting the forums time. Contador would have to gain about 4 or 5 kilos for Brajkovic to stand a chance against him.
El Pistolero said:Contador never tried to win the Dauphine at ANY year. So, how does it make sense? Andy must be doping at least 1000 times more then Contador according to your logic.
In fact Contador is the only GT contender who actually does decent at every stage race he enters. The others suck all year long except when they're in a GT.
auscyclefan94 said:Cadel Evans?
Galic Ho said:Ever heard of Delgado Mr. editor in chief?
Go back to the loony bin and stay there.
Let's expunge everyone's name from the record books. No, go one further, let's be selective and treat certain people differently. You tar everyone with the same brush or none at all. So sit down and STFU hypocrit. Either get them all or don't waste the publics time. Legalise doping and be honest about it if you don't have the cajones and brains to do it the way I suggest.
There have been how many drug allegations? Damn, the biggest doper of all time returned and people came out in droves. Cycling and sport will always survive. Like your idiocy, they know no bounds.
Cloxxki said:I was by no means thinking Contador to be the sole rider doing this micro-drawing. He is not the king of dope, is he? He got caught after all, and not allowed to buy himself out of it (beats me as to why not).
auscyclefan94 said:Cadel Evans?