Astana rider details Contador's doping practices

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Galic Ho said:
Ever heard of Delgado Mr. editor in chief?
Go back to the loony bin and stay there.
Yes, Delgado took probenecid and it was not (yet) on the UCI banned list, so they had a (good) excuse not to take him down.

Just read the 18 pages and what's amazing is how some people just can't discuss the facts reasonably and stop being fanboys, how sad.

As a cycling fan I'm not bothered either way whether Contador or Schleck wins the TdF, although I must say I was not impressed by the way he won this year's tour or by his "trouncing" of the competition LA style last year. But if the roles were reversed and Schleck was in the "hot seat" the topic would be equally "interesting" to me.

Just my 2 cents :D

As for the Astana "insider" who spilled the beans...has to be someone pretty "senior", possibly someone who's "paid" for similar problems in the past and who claims to have been "framed" and who is now doing things "right". A bit like an ex-smoker who can't stand smokers next to him...
 
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BigBoat said:
"Contador calls for end to defamatory comments" SUPER LOL, hahahahahaha :D

Talk to Floyd and see how that ends.

Agreed, all sounds a bit too Robert Maxwelly to me. Looking forward to him putting on the waterworks in court. Crocodile tears...

Sure is a pain people reporting all these facts about you, Alberto. Like the positive doping sample, plasticisers in blood, etc. Then again Pat probably promised him full confidentiality.

While the veracity of this exact story still is open to discussion, I think it's great it's beeing spun this way by the media. Sure makes it harder for the UCI to get away with their "3 month holiday out of season, keep your Tour de France crown, no questions asked" plan.
 
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Next year's Tour is Andy Schleck's to lose, just as long as he works out a way to get round the new plasticizers test.
 
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Yes, Delgado took probenecid and it was not (yet) on the UCI banned list, so they had a (good) excuse not to take him down.

Just read the 18 pages and what's amazing is how some people just can't discuss the facts reasonably and stop being fanboys, how sad.

As a cycling fan I'm not bothered either way whether Contador or Schleck wins the TdF, although I must say I was not impressed by the way he won this year's tour or by his "troucing" of the competition LA style last year. But if the roles were reversed and Schleck was in the "hot seat" the topic would be equally "interesting" to me.

Just my 2 cents :D

As for the Astana "insider" who spilled the beans...has to be someone pretty "senior", possibly someone who's "paid" for similar problems in the past and who claims to have been "framed" and who is now doing things "right". A bit like an ex-smoker who can't stand smokers next to him...

I don't understand your second paragraph. What are you talking about? Who are you talking about? You mention this years Tour and then go out of context in the same sentence and reference Lance and last year. Last year Contador won...but not by miles...the ITT got him time and his chrono. Schleck would have been within a minute if not for those, just like this year. If anyone is behaving like Lance use to race wise it is Schleck. Heck, even Lance raced the Tour de Suiise and the Dauphine.

Sorry Alpe. I just get sick and tired of seeing the best forum on the site turned into a personal..."I don't like this rider because of"...so a forumist then bad mouths the focus of their distate and make low cracks at riders who don't even ride anymore. These people will continue to do this for all time if they're allowed. One year Lance, the next year AC...who next? Chavanel? Cunego? Oh right, they don't win. I thought people would have been happy this years Tour looked cleaner than any of the last 15 years, but no, some still want their pound of flesh. Wait a while, I'll get you a cleaver.;)

I'll put it this way. I'm no Armstrong fan, but he looked very human at the ToC and TdF. No more superman. His team mates also suffered. Sad thing is, MCQuaid was right to a degree and people don't want to admit. Cycling is getting cleaner. Not fast enough for some.:rolleyes: But does that excuse people from lacking logic and commonsense? Answer the questions I asked in the above post if you can. Blood values, weight and time to ween out bad substances and lose weight. List the details...the numbers. If you apply common sense as I indicated you should, most of this seems bogus. So what is the likely posibility given what most people here know about cycling? Somebody is ****ed off and yes, grudges do exist and money talks loudly. This seems way too far fetched. A pro cyclist, one of the fittest people alive, can lose weight in day. A well known Aussie fighter lost 10kg in a week to make a post retirement fight. Not muscle mass, body fat. No drug use. Just using your brain and knowing your body. If you personally don't understand this...I suggest you learn more about your body. Head to your local gym and see a PT.

Which begs me to ask is this even valid? Is what the Hog said pages back true? Is this magazine a parody. A s**** magazine? I hope not for Velonews and CN sake. Legal action is never friendly. Always hurts your pocket if you're jumping the gun.

Maybe some people need to go and read the article CN put up earlier and listen to the answers Landis gave. He wasn't specific but one can see where he was heading with his answers. Is drug testing perfect? No. Is the application and accountability it offers acceptable to all parties? No. Is there inadequacies for the riders. Yes. Focus on fixing the system instead of baying for more blood. Enough is being taken for use as it is.:p
 

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JRTinMA said:
You are right the motive doesn't change the truth. If Landis got his ride at TRS you think he would have broken omerta? Astana was ****ed Pharmador left and they released info on his doping. Maybe its revenge or maybe its truth but equally well crafted as his lame streak story.

Yep, makes sense. A team that has already missed one TdF would risk being kicked out of the next one by outing its star rider who just won the Tour for them.:rolleyes:

I think you guys believe what you read in the womens magazines too.

"a source within the team the team" what a load of ********. Like Bertie is going to discuss his doping practices with the peons from Astana standing around, in a sport where you wouldn't even trust your best mate.

Next you will be telling me Lance is guilty!!
 
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SpartacusRox said:
Yep, makes sense. A team that has already missed one TdF would risk being kicked out of the next one by outing its star rider who just won the Tour for them.:rolleyes:

I think you guys believe what you read in the womens magazines too.

"a source within the team the team" what a load of ********. Like Bertie is going to discuss his doping practices with the peons from Astana standing around, in a sport where you wouldn't even trust your best mate.

Next you will be telling me Lance is guilty!!

Nearly as unbelievable as parking the bus on the side of the road and having a refill party.
 
ChrisE said:
Nearly as unbelievable as parking the bus on the side of the road and having a refill party.

Natural T3 is a regulator of the oxidative metabolism of energy producing substrates (food or stored substrates like fat, muscle, and glycogen) by the mitochondria. The mitochondria, as you will recall from your high school biology class, are usually referred to as the "cell´s powerhouses" because they produce ATP. Taking Cytomel (supplemental T3) greatly increases the uptake of nutrients into the mitochondria and also their oxidation rate (i.e. the rate at which they are burned for energy), by increasing the activities of the enzymes involved in the oxidative metabolic pathway. Everything is working harder, in other words, and more fuel is needed to supplement this increased work rate. Therefore, as you can guess, taking supplemental Cytomel will increase your body´s energy demands. And if you are in a hypocaloric state, you will begin burning even fatter primarily due to an increase in ATP. This increased ATP causes an increase in overall metabolic activity. (8)(9)This is exactly what we want, and is why we would be taking thyroid hormones like Cytomel in the first place. If you aren´t taking anabolic steroids with your Cytomel, however, your body may start to eat away muscle to provide energy for you to function. Remember mitochondria/ATP aren´t very picky, but they are very efficient. What I mean by this is that they will use whatever is on hand to generate energy for your body to continue functioning, fat, protein, glucose; it doesn´t matter to ATP, as long as there´s something to give them energy. Taking this drug will increase their need to find something to burn to create this energy. Ergo, if we aren´t taking anabolic steroids while taking our T3, we may lose too much muscle, especially while dieting.

Thus we can see that there are many advantages to using Cytomel to optimize our metabolic rate. It will also increase your body´s ability to synthesize protein, but from what I´ve seen personally, it acts as a catabolic when it isn´t administered with anabolic steroids. It is often the last thing added into a precontest diet, as it has a reputation for getting rid of the last few percentages of bodyfat& the "sticky fat" as it´s called in bodybuilding, the fat that just doesn´t want to leave you in the last few weeks of dieting. I think this is a poor use for this drug, and that it should be the first thing added into a diet to lose fat, as it will optimize your metabolic rate, which should be done at the outset of a diet, not after the calorie restriction has diminished your thyroid output and you are adding it in simply to replace what was lost.

Cytomel Side Effects

Unfortunately, in all of the studies I´ve seen, T3 also increased growth hormone production. (5)(6) As we all know, GH is also a strongly lipolytic compound, and this is another mechanism by which T3 may exert its effects, although I suspect this would only be a small percentage of its overall effects. This being the case, it has always been somewhat problematic to me to note that when GH and T3 are used together, the increased nitrogen retention normally found with GH use is negated. (7). If you were only using T3 and GH this may be a problem, but as I´ve already stated, you are going to need some anabolic agents if you are using T3. And as you have read previously, I recommend the veritable anabolic/lipolytic orgy of Insulin, T3, Anabolic Steroids, GH, and insulin, for 100% maximum results in minimal time.

On the brighter side, and of special note to dieters, administration of T3 has been shown to upregulate the beta 2 receptors in fat tissue. As you know clenbuterol and similar compounds downregulate this receptor, so using T3 with your clen will help stave off or reverse this downregulation. (1)(2)(3)(4). I would still recommend taking your benadryl every third week, though.

Going off cytomel

Finally, I would like to address the issue of recovery of your natural thyroid function after you stop taking cytomel. The horror stories of people on permanent thyroid replacement just aren´t true. I remember a few years ago, the rumor was circulating that the current Ms.Fitness had permanently shut off her thyroid gland, and was now fat and on thyroid hormone permanently. This is just another horror story based in nothing but conjecture and rumor, the studies I´ve looked at have shown people recovering their thyroid hormone relatively quickly (within months, at most) after going off of several YEARS (!) of thyroid replacement therapy (10)(11). I speculate that you can optimize your metabolic rate with Cytomel for 9-10 months a year, and just normalize yourself for 2-3 months (perhaps the winter, when you are mostly covered up), and then go right back on. Some people in the studies I read were on T3 for 30 years and recovered their natural thyroid function within short order. I think we can safely spend an athletic career using Cytomel 9-10 months out of the year, and just taking those few months off to normalize ourselves. Is this aggressive? Yes. Is this unsafe? NO.
 
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Galic Ho said:
These guys will never stop. You win a race and you're fair game for them.

TFF is really getting pathetic. No Lance to pick on so he jumps ship. But he is American...enough said. As I said, get them all or don't bother.

Contador overweight and underpowered! A joke gone horribly afoul. Seriously, that is the best people can come up with. If you believe that you are truly an idiot. Take clenbuterol to lose a pound! He didn't do so well at the Dauphine!

Think of it this way. Who watched the ToC? The Ardennes classics? All the big events up to the TdF? How did Andy Schleck go in comparison to Contador? If I were to show a person with no knowledge of cycling this years ToC footage and ask them to point out which rider came second in the TdF, nobody would pick Schleck. Why is that? If someone is banking blood and not having to perform at every race, just for the TdF, he would be candidate no.1. Oh, he's the next in sight for next year!

Good luck guys with the BS and half truths. Contador is just about the best performer year in and year out for 4 years now. Either way, doping aside, he sure has a lot of talent to back it. Lance didn't race at all. Those of us who were here for the good parts/times of the Clinic know why! AC sure is impressive despite all those blood withdrawals. You'd think if they were so demanding, he'd race less frequently and as hard...like perhaps Andy Schleck. You want to know why the Clinic turned into a cesspool of crap and all the good poster left or rarely post. It's because of you. This forum is nowhere near as informative or as logical as it was a year ago. This time last year it started decaying. Too much ****ing and moaning. Always wanting it one way (yours) and not looking at the whole picture. Some people here possess circular logic. You're trapped by your own beliefs. Boring, uncreative and unreasonable people is what you are.

Like I said, when its your hero, you whine like a baby that had his lollipop taken away. Suck it up cowgirl, he cheated and got busted.

I have remained consistent. I give no quarter to any doper, and Contador is Mr. Dope at this point. I also realize they all do it. That means Alberto McClenplasticizer doesn't deserve sanction?

As for me being American. Xenophobia is one of the most pathetically moronic clubs to join, I am guessing you have earned all of the merit badges douchewhistle.

Oh, and I am not sure where you see that I have walked away from Mr. Armstrong's fraudulent Tour wins, but then again, none of your posts have much of a point, so I suffer no surprise that you added another inane comment.

But thanks for attributing the downfall of the Clinic to me. I always wanted to win something...
 
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Hey Galic, are you a bit angry because of all the animals up and around bathurst atm? I thought you were from around that area?
 
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Galic Ho said:
I don't understand your second paragraph. What are you talking about? Who are you talking about? You mention this years Tour and then go out of context in the same sentence and reference Lance and last year. Last year Contador won...but not by miles...the ITT got him time and his chrono. Schleck would have been within a minute if not for those, just like this year. If anyone is behaving like Lance use to race wise it is Schleck. Heck, even Lance raced the Tour de Suiise and the Dauphine.

Sorry Alpe. I just get sick and tired of seeing the best forum on the site turned into a personal..."I don't like this rider because of"...so a forumist then bad mouths the focus of their distate and make low cracks at riders who don't even ride anymore. These people will continue to do this for all time if they're allowed. One year Lance, the next year AC...who next? Chavanel? Cunego? Oh right, they don't win. I thought people would have been happy this years Tour looked cleaner than any of the last 15 years, but no, some still want their pound of flesh. Wait a while, I'll get you a cleaver.;)

I'll put it this way. I'm no Armstrong fan, but he looked very human at the ToC and TdF. No more superman. His team mates also suffered. Sad thing is, MCQuaid was right to a degree and people don't want to admit. Cycling is getting cleaner. Not fast enough for some.:rolleyes: But does that excuse people from lacking logic and commonsense? Answer the questions I asked in the above post if you can. Blood values, weight and time to ween out bad substances and lose weight. List the details...the numbers. If you apply common sense as I indicated you should, most of this seems bogus. So what is the likely posibility given what most people here know about cycling? Somebody is ****ed off and yes, grudges do exist and money talks loudly. This seems way too far fetched. A pro cyclist, one of the fittest people alive, can lose weight in day. A well known Aussie fighter lost 10kg in a week to make a post retirement fight. Not muscle mass, body fat. No drug use. Just using your brain and knowing your body. If you personally don't understand this...I suggest you learn more about your body. Head to your local gym and see a PT.

Which begs me to ask is this even valid? Is what the Hog said pages back true? Is this magazine a parody. A s**** magazine? I hope not for Velonews and CN sake. Legal action is never friendly. Always hurts your pocket if you're jumping the gun.

Maybe some people need to go and read the article CN put up earlier and listen to the answers Landis gave. He wasn't specific but one can see where he was heading with his answers. Is drug testing perfect? No. Is the application and accountability it offers acceptable to all parties? No. Is there inadequacies for the riders. Yes. Focus on fixing the system instead of baying for more blood. Enough is being taken for use as it is.:p

Okay, that is absolutely ****ing stupid. I don't need to read anything else you write because if you believe that, you cannot be taken seriously about anything.
 
This article, true or not, should drastically change the doping limits of PEDs. It all makes so much sense! The slightly lesser climbing performances, the less drastic form changes mid-tour, and the anxiously riding Contador.
If he can't use older blood, his options ARE limited in terms of drawing. BUT, he can dope pretty heavily in times he doesn't expect an OOC test, especially with stuff that halftimes as quickly as clen, diluted 30x in a blood refill.

So these guys are now refilling with more compact equipment, on a more regular basis. Perhaps the post-DL bag was the option he didn't want to need before Tourmalet, but felt uncomfortable passing on. It may have been more of a plecebo to him than physical performance enhancer.

Something else, could riders use the 150ml to get some other helpful stuff into their system? Some vitamins, minerals, what have you? Transfusion is a banned method, might as well make very good use of it every time you do it? More frequent, smaller-volume fill-ups should be handy for conditioning all health parameters. Beats taking 20 different pills.
 
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Cloxxki said:
This article, true or not, should drastically change the doping limits of PEDs. It all makes so much sense! The slightly lesser climbing performances, the less drastic form changes mid-tour, and the anxiously riding Contador.
If he can't use older blood, his options ARE limited in terms of drawing. BUT, he can dope pretty heavily in times he doesn't expect an OOC test, especially with stuff that halftimes as quickly as clen, diluted 30x in a blood refill.

So these guys are now refilling with more compact equipment, on a more regular basis. Perhaps the post-DL bag was the option he didn't want to need before Tourmalet, but felt uncomfortable passing on. It may have been more of a plecebo to him than physical performance enhancer.

Something else, could riders use the 150ml to get some other helpful stuff into their system? Some vitamins, minerals, what have you? Transfusion is a banned method, might as well make very good use of it every time you do it? More frequent, smaller-volume fill-ups should be handy for conditioning all health parameters. Beats taking 20 different pills.


Contador never tried to win the Dauphine at ANY year. So, how does it make sense? Andy must be doping at least 1000 times more then Contador according to your logic.

In fact Contador is the only GT contender who actually does decent at every stage race he enters. The others suck all year long except when they're in a GT.
 
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rolfrae said:
Next year's Tour is Andy Schleck's to lose, just as long as he works out a way to get round the new plasticizers test.

Or just maybe, these guys will feel compelled to ride it on an even playing field? Wouldn't that be something
 
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El Pistolero said:
In fact Contador is the only GT contender who actually does decent at every stage race he enters. The others suck all year long except when they're in a GT.

Cadel Evans?
 
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Galic Ho said:
Do you even watch cycling races? Contador came second in the Dauphine the prior season as well! How well was Andy Schleck's season going at that point in time? Pathetic. But everyone knew he'd be up in the top flight of riders at the Tour. Same with Contador. Race form at the Dauphine for Contador means squat. Where was Brajkovic at the Tour? You're comparing apples and oranges. Brajkovic is nowhere near the level Contador is. Contador uses the Dauphine as a training event. He does not try and win it anymore. The last time he won it, he wasn't the no.1 GT rider on his team. That was 2007, where Leipheimer was the teams no.1 rider. Using his form to suggest doping is almost completely baseless.

Someone else said he needed to drop 2-3 kilos. The article said a pound, two at most. A pound weighs 0.45kg. Get your conversions right people. If you cannot fathom different measurement systems, then don't open your flapper. Do you gooses, realise how easy it is to drop a pound? An extra training session or two and proper nutrition. Easy peasy. Especially for an active, thin but proportionally muscle mass sports star. He's not shedding fat to 3% body mass like a body builder! He is going down to 6%. Not hard to do clean. Stupid to do it with a drug, especially in the window before the TdF but after the Dauphine. FFS! Some people here think an extra half a kilo will matter against a guy like Brajkovic! hahaha. AC's Dauphine performance was mental, nothing more. Stop wasting the forums time. Contador would have to gain about 4 or 5 kilos for Brajkovic to stand a chance against him.
Lots of words here, but the underlying message makes me lol
 
El Pistolero said:
Contador never tried to win the Dauphine at ANY year. So, how does it make sense? Andy must be doping at least 1000 times more then Contador according to your logic.

In fact Contador is the only GT contender who actually does decent at every stage race he enters. The others suck all year long except when they're in a GT.

I was by no means thinking Contador to be the sole rider doing this micro-drawing. He is not the king of dope, is he? He got caught after all, and not allowed to buy himself out of it (beats me as to why not).
 
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Galic Ho said:
Ever heard of Delgado Mr. editor in chief?

Go back to the loony bin and stay there.

Let's expunge everyone's name from the record books. No, go one further, let's be selective and treat certain people differently. You tar everyone with the same brush or none at all. So sit down and STFU hypocrit. Either get them all or don't waste the publics time. Legalise doping and be honest about it if you don't have the cajones and brains to do it the way I suggest.

There have been how many drug allegations? Damn, the biggest doper of all time returned and people came out in droves. Cycling and sport will always survive. Like your idiocy, they know no bounds.

Hmmmm Delgado? Don't single out dopers with positive controls? Legalize doping.......now?

I think galic ho should be tested for drugs
 
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Cloxxki said:
I was by no means thinking Contador to be the sole rider doing this micro-drawing. He is not the king of dope, is he? He got caught after all, and not allowed to buy himself out of it (beats me as to why not).

No, I just thought the "he didn't perform well at Dauphine thus it all made sense he's doping" argument is kind of weird. As Contador usually goes against that argument unlike some other GT contenders.
 
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auscyclefan94 said:
Cadel Evans?

Sucking all year is not the same as being good all year.

Don't get me wrong, Cadel is a good cyclist. But he'd have done better at the classics then he did at a GT. He should lay more focus on the classics as he can definitely win races like LBL, FW, Worlds, Amstel and Giro di Lombardia.

Sure he has some second placings in a GT, but come'on, it's the winner that matters.

The only GT he can still win is the Vuelta and he'll **** that up at some point as well like he usually does. Bad luck or not.
 

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