Astana transfusion equipment "Criminal"

[Deagol]

I really hope this case goes somewhere.

C,mon France !!!!

 

[Le breton]

They said it MIGHT mean that.


I am French (also Breton , if you can understand that, not to mention European), have spoken, read and written French for well over half a century and I say and swear over Graham Greene's head ( He is dead, but never mind) that FORMATION can only be understood in this context as meaning TEAM in all english languages but may be Texan. So now, what are you going to reply?[/I]

Je suis français ( breton également si ce n'est pas trop dur à comprendre pour ta petite tête, sans même parler d'européen), je parle, je lis et j'écris le français depuis bien plus d'un demi-siècle et j'affirme et jure sur la tête de Graham Greene ( il est mort, mais peu importe) que FORMATION ne peut dans ce contexte être compris autrement que dans le sens de TEAM dans tout dialecte anglais, sauf peut-être texan. Alors, maintenant, que vas-tu répondre tête de ...?

(tête de... was not in the english version, but any french speaking person can find many suitable words)

 

[Anonymous]

If they issue one of those, Astana and Radio Shack are done for the year. Frankly, the usual suspects have been very quiet today. No "SSDD" quote from Lance. No non-denial denial from Johan. No poorly translated statement from AC. Nothing. Nada. Zip.

Yea, I was thinking the same thing. Like I said, Lance looked a bit off last night on Conan. He really did. I sincerely hope that this has legs.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

If they issue one of those, Astana and Radio Shack are done for the year. Frankly, the usual suspects have been very quiet today. No "SSDD" quote from Lance. No non-denial denial from Johan. No poorly translated statement from AC. Nothing. Nada. Zip.

Very telling.

My joke about him headed to join Tiger on his Privacy yacht might not be so far off.

 

[python]

So I wonder if we will see Astana or Radio Shack at Paris-Nice?

astana with vino personally will almost certainly race p-n. i am 100% sure


radio shack ? i'm not so sure. they can send a non 2009 tdf formation. the dna of the riders they suspect will be easy if the political machinery does not interfere with the judiciary. french aren't immune from the commercially driven
politics. if they were, armstrong would never race in 2009 tdf after taking a shower in march.

 

[ScienceIsCool]

I doubt it's true to be honest - it maybe something they were trying to find, and this was leaked by someone who worked at the lab, but in reality they couldn't, which is why it has taken so long. Or even if it's true, I doubt they can link dope to the specific needles - key to any prosecution. Have you noticed none of the stories link dope to the needles - they only say they found seperate stuff else where, and then they say there was DNA on the needles - which is probably why this is such a slow story. There is no smoking gun.

Again, you're making factual errors which negate any argument you may have. It's clearly stated that the information comes from the report as a result of a preliminary judicial inquiry. The information has come from an anonymous source from the prosecutor's office.

Secondly, there is no dope. This has nothing to do with dope other than the possible presence of human growth hormone (which they are going to test for). The issue is the illegality of the use of blood perfusion equipment. This is where the DNA evidence comes from. The link is the basis for a proable prosecution of all involved.

John Swanson

 

[Publicus]

astana with vino personally will almost certainly race p-n. i am 100% sure


radio shack ? i'm not so sure. they can send a non 2009 tdf formation. the dna of the riders they suspect will be easy if the political machinery does not interfere with the judiciary. french aren't immune from the commercially driven
politics. if they were, armstrong would never race in 2009 tdf after taking a shower in march.

I'm thinking about Contador when I mention Paris-Nice. Currently it's on his schedule and not Vino's. If he's taken off, then we'll have a little more information on who's afraid of what.

 

[tubularglue]

will be interesting to see if this drops like a rocket tomorrow

http://quote.morningstar.com/Stock/s.aspx?t=RSH

 

[Publicus]

will be interesting to see if this drops like a rocket tomorrow

http://quote.morningstar.com/Stock/s.aspx?t=RSH

Highly unlikely. Even if it does, it will have more to do with low volume trading on Christmas Eve than this matter which has zero bearing on Radio Shack's operations.

 

[tubularglue]

just came across this

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gFBC6S6fSokD2dv5SZyibN1MMCtw

with time everything is revealed

better sell off some stock tomorrow


http://www.monstersandcritics.com/s...ong-team-broke-the-law-in-2009-Tour-de-France

 

[issoisso]

I'm thinking about Contador when I mention Paris-Nice. Currently it's on his schedule and not Vino's. If he's taken off, then we'll have a little more information on who's afraid of what.

Really? Would you mind sharing where you got the riders' racing schedules? I'd like to see them (and of any other riders that might be found wherever you found those).

Thanks

 

[tubularglue]

Highly unlikely. Even if it does, it willy have more to do with low volume trading on Christmas Eve than this matter which has zero bearing on Radio Shack's operations.

i am the low volume' type, for me it matters


and some background info from Mr. Walsh

http://walshworld.wordpress.com/ snipped:

It means two riders on Astana tour team got gypped. Right now, two guys on Alberto Contador’s winning Tour de France squad are wondering why they didn’t merit the secret sauce. They’re like the final two kids in line at the ice cream truck on a 100 degree summer day who find out the last frosty rocket pop was just sold.

In other words, they feel cheated, shafted, the black sheep of Astana. Oh, sure, they’re thinking — Armstrong and Contador and Popovych get the good stuff. What about us? No wonder the tour was so exhausting– we were riding without the jet fuel.

Now, knowing the French legal system, this story is just hot air than will slowly dissipate over the next month and nobody will ever hear of it again. But just in case, we think those seven DNA fingerprints could be pretty revealing. Who were the two low men on the Astana totem pole?

 

[Publicus]

Really? Would you mind sharing where you got the riders' racing schedules? I'd like to see them (and of any other riders that might be found wherever you found those).

Thanks

Just based on what I've gleaned from articles on the web:

He will start competition again at the Tour Méditerranéen, 10-14 February. He will then race Tirreno-Adriatico, Milano-Sanremo, the Ardennes Classics and the Giro d'Italia, May 8 to 30.

"I will start the Giro for the first time, without pressure; [I'll take it] step-by-step. If I have good condition and motivation then maybe I can arrive on the podium. There is not a long time trial, which would suit me.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vinokourov-confirms-giro-desire-to-race-tour

The Tour de France is, unsurprisingly, the top objective for the 27-year-old, who says he will almost certainly kick off his season at the Tour of the Algarve in February. Contador won the Portuguese race in 2009.
"I want to have a good level at Paris-Nice and fight for the win there," Contador added. "Then hopefully I'll have even better condition for the Tour of Catalunya [in late March] and I'll be able to hold my form all the way through to the Tour of the Basque Country."

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/434381/contador-to-tackle-two-grand-tours-in-2010.html

 

[issoisso]

Thanks for that

 

[craig1985]

It is a conspiracy!

 

[issoisso]

It is a conspiracy!

By people who love cancer.

 

[Rex Hunter]

Again, you're making factual errors which negate any argument you may have. It's clearly stated that the information comes from the report as a result of a preliminary judicial inquiry. The information has come from an anonymous source from the prosecutor's office.

Well I wouldn't get bogged down on the "case" issue. I just usually call something a "case" where a clear crime has been commited and authorities are investigating it. It's semantics really. In French law you are considered guilty before you are innocent so it's a different style.

You did make many factual errors in your last post directed to me, so enough with the snooty tone.

Secondly, there is no dope. This has nothing to do with dope other than the possible presence of human growth hormone (which they are going to test for). The issue is the illegality of the use of blood perfusion equipment. This is where the DNA evidence comes from. The link is the basis for a proable prosecution of all involved.

Well there is actually DNA - apparently - on needles as well, but you make my point for me. The main issue is IV equipment that they're allowed for medical emergencies. Are they really going to ban people for short cutting the liquid process by using a drip? Woah, crime of the century! It used to be a practise that was allowed not so long ago.

 

[BroDeal]

Aside from the possibility of Armstrong being implicated, this pretty much guts Radio Shack's potential Tour team if the team cannot use the half dozen riders who rode the TdF for Astana this year. How strong of a squad can they form without the implicated riders?

(Armstrong)
Leipheimer
Horner
Brajkovic
Steegmans

That is not a bad start. They can always fall back on Fuyu Li.

 

[Rex Hunter]

If they issue one of those, Astana and Radio Shack are done for the year. Frankly, the usual suspects have been very quiet today. No "SSDD" quote from Lance. No non-denial denial from Johan. No poorly translated statement from AC. Nothing. Nada. Zip.

Not really. Those comments were in the off season before they got the teams together. The last thing they want to do is start the pre season training by getting into a slanging match about doping. Best ignore it.

And how many times can LA use the SSDD thing? The use-by date is up on that one - at least for awhile.

 

[Ninety5rpm]

Highly unlikely. Even if it does, it willy have more to do with low volume trading on Christmas Eve than this matter which has zero bearing on Radio Shack's operations.

i am the low volume' type, for me it matters


and some background info from Mr. Walsh

http://walshworld.wordpress.com/ snipped:

It means two riders on Astana tour team got gypped. Right now, two guys on Alberto Contador’s winning Tour de France squad are wondering why they didn’t merit the secret sauce. They’re like the final two kids in line at the ice cream truck on a 100 degree summer day who find out the last frosty rocket pop was just sold.

In other words, they feel cheated, shafted, the black sheep of Astana. Oh, sure, they’re thinking — Armstrong and Contador and Popovych get the good stuff. What about us? No wonder the tour was so exhausting– we were riding without the jet fuel.

Now, knowing the French legal system, this story is just hot air than will slowly dissipate over the next month and nobody will ever hear of it again. But just in case, we think those seven DNA fingerprints could be pretty revealing. Who were the two low men on the Astana totem pole?

I think the theory floated here about why there is DNA evidence for only 7 of 9 is more likely to be true than what Walsh surmises.

CN Clinic: Whole team was cheating, but no evidence on two of {LA, AC, LL} because of some combination of 1) on own separate system and/or 2) crashed out by then.

Walsh: Two weren't getting the goodies.

I mean, the reason they dope these guys is to make them useful. Why would they choose two low men on the totem pole and make them even less useful? Those are the guys who rarely get tested and have the least to lose. Now, I suppose it might have been a day where someone is designated to arrive with the caboose, but even then they probably want to pump him up to be more useful during whatever parts he's slated to help.

It's like doping all but two of your sled dogs in the Iditarod... doesn't make sense.

 

[Anonymous]

By people who love cancer.

..and hate excellence.

 

[Rex Hunter]

Latest LA twitter:

Lance Armstrong: "And yes, it is seriously cool that Michael Schumacher is back. Can't wait to see it unfold."

Damn right.

 

[Deagol]

I wonder if this will affect the sale of Lance Armstrong Underoos and yellow Livestrong knee-pads?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underoos

(Sorry, not usually this condescending but the reason is peppered all throughout this and other threads)

 

[Rex Hunter]

Just watching LA on Conan O'Brien. He looks fine to me - on good form.

If he did appear "tired" to some it maybe due to his baby son Max being with him.

 

[Rex Hunter]

By people who love cancer.

And hate Christmas.