Astana transfusion equipment "Criminal"

[auscyclefan94]

auscyclefan94 had to add RadioShack after he was prompted. LMAO!

Nice idea, kid.

get a life, kid!

 

[Rex Hunter]

In this case Rex, they have obtained DNA profiles, which requires a reasonable amount of DNA, like from a hair root or body fluid. This won't be a case of someone holding the bag and leaving their genetic profile behind.

I doubt it's true to be honest - it maybe something they were trying to find, and this was leaked by someone who worked at the lab, but in reality they couldn't, which is why it has taken so long. Or even if it's true, I doubt they can link dope to the specific needles - key to any prosecution. Have you noticed none of the stories link dope to the needles - they only say they found seperate stuff else where, and then they say there was DNA on the needles - which is probably why this is such a slow story. There is no smoking gun.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I doubt it's true to be honest - it maybe something they were trying to find, and this was leaked by someone who worked at the lab, but in reality they couldn't, which is why it has taken so long. Or even if it's true, I doubt they can link dope to the specific needles - key to any prosecution. Have you noticed none of the stories link dope to the needles - they only say they found seperate stuff else where, and then they say there was DNA on the needles - which is probably why this is such a slow story. There is no smoking gun.

Start the excuses Rex Hunter!!!!

 

[CentralCaliBike]

I note you're calling it a "case". At the moment it's still some gossip in a newspaper repeated from three months ago.

When the police agency starts an investigation it is a case regardless of the results of the investigation. The term case does not indicate guilt or innocence.

 

[Rex Hunter]

auscyclefan94, why do you dislike me anyway? Cadel Evans is one my top riders.

Come over to the dark side. Together we can rule Cycling news for a generation! Clearly the two most intelligent posters working together!

 

[Rex Hunter]

When the police agency starts an investigation it is a case regardless of the results of the investigation. The term case does not indicate guilt or innocence.

But has a proper case been launched? It SAYS this will happen. All a bit vague at the moment. Lets wait and see. Even if there is an official investigation I doubt it will lead to anything. That's my judgement.

 

[Digger]

But has a proper case been launched? It SAYS this will happen. All a bit vague at the moment. Lets wait and see. Even if there is an official investigation I doubt it will lead to anything. That's my judgement.

Even if Lance admitted he doped, you'd troll and say that it was someone dressed as Lance.

 

[poupou]

But has a proper case been launched? It SAYS this will happen. All a bit vague at the moment. Lets wait and see. Even if there is an official investigation I doubt it will lead to anything. That's my judgement.

It's already an official JUSTICE investigation, that was the preliminary investigation. They have found enough things to conduct a full investigation that is the reason why we learn about it because it's a legal registred step.

Now Bruyneel and people who can have helped riders to used the transfuse kit or the drugs are under the threat of jail sentence.

 

[auscyclefan94]

auscyclefan94, why do you dislike me anyway? Cadel Evans is one my top riders.

Come over to the dark side. Together we can rule Cycling news for a generation! Clearly the two most intelligent posters working together!

I'm flattered.

 

[Anonymous]

It's already an official JUSTICE investigation, that was the preliminary investigation. They have found enough things to conduct a full investigation that is the reason why we learn about it because it's a legal registred step.

Now Bruyneel and people who can have helped riders to used the transfuse kit or the drugs are under the threat of jail sentence.

He will write a new book: "We might as well bend over and take it like a man"

 

[issoisso]

He will write a new book: "We might as well bend over and take it like a man"

"Chapter 1: If you drop the Hematide in the shower, don't pick it up"

 

[python]

In this case Rex, they have obtained DNA profiles, which requires a reasonable amount of DNA, like from a hair root or body fluid. This won't be a case of someone holding the bag and leaving their genetic profile behind.



I assume that there is a provision in French criminal law for obtaining fresh DNA samples via warrant. If the investigators cannot access (or seize) the UCI records, it should be a simple matter to obtain a DNA sample from any rider under suspicion who attends a French race.

bingo.

and this was probably already done for most without the unnecessary fuss.

a rider gives blood/urine/hair in august in some funky criterium having no idea the sole purpose was his dna collection. if the rider happened to race in any other country except spain, he was likely unfortunate.

 

[Anonymous]

"Chapter 1: If you drop the Hematide in the shower, don't pick it up"

Imagine how much faster the Tour de France for Convicts will get...records are gonna fall my friend, records are gonna fall.

 

[Mellow Velo]

But has a proper case been launched? It SAYS this will happen. All a bit vague at the moment. Lets wait and see. Even if there is an official investigation I doubt it will lead to anything. That's my judgement.

If you spent half as much time following, as you do trolling, you would know that the French opened an investigation into Astana's medical waste dumping at Le Tour, back in October.
So, yes, there is a case, from which, this information has come.

 

[issoisso]

Imagine how much faster the Tour de France for Convicts will get...records are gonna fall my friend, records are gonna fall.

Won't be much of a change for the riders, though. They're used to breathing deep and having other stick stuff in them.

 

[Publicus]

bingo.

and this was probably already done for most without the unnecessary fuss.

a rider gives blood/urine/hair in august in some funky criterium having no idea the sole purpose was his dna collection. if the rider happened to race in any other country except spain, he was likely unfortunate.

So I wonder if we will see Astana or Radio Shack at Paris-Nice?

 

[issoisso]

So I wonder if we will see Astana or Radio Shack at Paris-Nice?

I very much doubt it'll be settled by then

 

[Oncearunner8]

nice thread guys.

 

[Publicus]

I very much doubt it'll be settled by then

I am thinking about getting DNA samples from the riders. Assuming UCI withholds the information, couldn't the French police simply pick up the riders and take a DNA sample? Or get one from a test conducted during the race?

This is a criminal matter, so it's a risk for ANY of them to be in France until it is settled.

 

[Kingsley A]

The newspaper also claims that DNA testing on the seized Astana team's material revealed the presence of seven unique DNA fingerprints, but linking the evidence to individual riders would rely upon the UCI sharing its blood profile data with the French authorities.

I don't understand how the UCI are relevant here if this is a criminal investigation. Surely the rider's DNA can be obtained with 3 simple words?

All it takes is the French Investigating Magistrate/Public Prosecutor to issue a European Arrest Warrant for the suspect riders and then they can be compelled to give a sample. Of course this wouldn't work immediately for riders not currently in the EU the but the warrants would be activated and they would be detained the first time they set foot at any EU point of entry.

Further, if the French authorities really have the political will to pursue a criminal case they can always start extradition proceedings on riders resident in any nation they have an extradition treaty with (hard to believe they don't have one with the US although I wouldn't like to speculate re: Kazakhstan).

The barrier here would not seem to be the UCI or obtaining riders DNA but just how much evidence the French have and how seriously they want to pursue the case.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Scene: Caribbean ocean, zoom in slowly on yacht anchored off the shore of a small island, pan over stern showing the name, Privacy, to back of man in cap sitting on deck in a lounge chair surround by a couple of topless blondes.

Distinctive cell phone rings, as the man looks at the display, pauses, and answers.

Man: Lance?
(pause)
Man: Thanks. I really appreciate that. It's very nice of you to call to tell me that.
(pause)
Man:: Oh yeah? So what's going on?
(pause)
Man: Get the f--- out of here. You're ****ting me!
(pause)
Man: Sure, sure, you're always welcome here, especially at a time like this. Frankly, I could use some understanding company right now. See ya in a few hours.

......Man...oh and Lance, you will need to bring your own blondes - the thirty here are for me.

 

[pedaling squares]

I am thinking about getting DNA samples from the riders. Assuming UCI withholds the information, couldn't the French police simply pick up the riders and take a DNA sample? Or get one from a test conducted during the race?

This is a criminal matter, so it's a risk for ANY of them to be in France until it is settled.

IF the investigation goes that far, I imagine that the investigator will want a fresh DNA sample to prove identity rather than rely upon the UCI's bookkeeping. It would withstand the test of the criminal courts much better.

 

[Anonymous]

Scene: Caribbean ocean, zoom in slowly on yacht anchored off the shore of a small island, pan over stern showing the name, Privacy, to back of man in cap sitting on deck in a lounge chair surround by a couple of topless blondes.

Distinctive cell phone rings, as the man looks at the display, pauses, and answers.

Man: Lance?
(pause)
Man: Thanks. I really appreciate that. It's very nice of you to call to tell me that.
(pause)
Man:: Oh yeah? So what's going on?
(pause)
Man: Get the f--- out of here. You're ****ting me!
(pause)
Man: Sure, sure, you're always welcome here, especially at a time like this. Frankly, I could use some understanding company right now. See ya in a few hours.

Man: And bring along your girlfriend and your mom...yea, both of 'em

 

[CentralCaliBike]

It's already an official JUSTICE investigation, that was the preliminary investigation. They have found enough things to conduct a full investigation that is the reason why we learn about it because it's a legal registred step.

Now Bruyneel and people who can have helped riders to used the transfuse kit or the drugs are under the threat of jail sentence.

While Rex Hunter is incorrect about stating there is not a "case", and you are correct that a conviction would lead to potential jail time, I think claim that "Bruyneel and people who can have helped riders to used the transfuse kit" presumes that is a fact already decided. Certainly it may be found true but I think you are projecting a wish for factual finding.

 

[Publicus]

I don't understand how the UCI are relevant here if this is a criminal investigation. Surely the rider's DNA can be obtained with 3 simple words?

All it takes is the French Investigating Magistrate/Public Prosecutor to issue a European Arrest Warrant for the suspect riders and then they can be compelled to give a sample. Of course this wouldn't work immediately for riders not currently in the EU the but the warrants would be activated and they would be detained the first time they set foot at any EU point of entry.

Further, if the French authorities really have the political will to pursue a criminal case they can always start extradition proceedings on riders resident in any nation they have an extradition treaty with (hard to believe they don't have one with the US although I wouldn't like to speculate re: Kazakhstan).

The barrier here would not seem to be the UCI or obtaining riders DNA but just how much evidence the French have and how seriously they want to pursue the case.

If they issue one of those, Astana and Radio Shack are done for the year. Frankly, the usual suspects have been very quiet today. No "SSDD" quote from Lance. No non-denial denial from Johan. No poorly translated statement from AC. Nothing. Nada. Zip.