Astana transfusion equipment "Criminal"

[Polish]

I was not aware that Boudry has a second job moonlighting as a secret agent for the OCLAESP.

Of course you are not aware...he is a SECRET agent duh.

The AFLD merely tested the 1998 and 1999 Tour samples for EPO. They have no knowledge to this day of which sample belongs to which athlete. There goes the Boudry conspiracy.

Boudry knows exactly which samples are Lance's..re-read the link.
Also, the UCI has hinted that the AFLD does not maintain anonymous chain of custody requirements:

""But of great significance is that five of the samples collected from riders in the same French team, were sent to the laboratory with the full names and details of the riders. This completely invalidates the anonymous chain of custody requirements of the Code and International Standard of Testing."
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-afld-war-of-words-continues

Maybe if Armstrong stopped doping then he would stop getting involved in one doping scandals after another. You think?

yah, like that is going to happen...

 

[Race Radio]

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Let us know when you can site something, otherwise it was just another of your claims you are unable to back up.

 

[BroDeal]

Boudry knows exactly which samples are Lance's..re-read the link.

It says no such thing. It says that the offer was made to Armstrong to have his samples retested. The first step of acceptance would be to use the UCI to identify which samples are Armstrong's since the lab does not know, and they would obviously want to get the info from the UCI instead of rely on newspaper reports that occurred after the initial retesting. Armstrong refused to have his samples retested because he knows hsi EPO use will be further confirmed.

yah, like that is going to happen...

I am glad that you have seen reality enough to conclude that Armstrong will never stop doping. There may be hope for you yet.

 

[Rex Hunter]

Let us know when you can site something, otherwise it was just another of your claims you are unable to back up.

Thought of an answer to my simple little question to you yet?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Am I the only one to have mixed feelings about this whole question?
Part of me wants to see Armstrong get his just slap down, part of me hopes it doesn't happen now and ruin the big cage grudge match that is TDF 2010. Likewise with Contador and the other Astana/Radio Shack guys.
At the same time I have this feeling that we are sitting here waiting to see who is more connected, Armstrong or Contador? Or who is more careful. Or who trusted those around him less.
So while I will probably be angry when nothing comes of this, I guess part of me will be secretly relieved.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Thought of an answer to my simple little question to you yet?

All your questions and comments are simple.

 

[sars1981]

Yes I know it was reported that other teams' waste were searched, but the fact only Astana have

You keep shifting the goal posts. When you're corrected on a factual error, you say "oh yes I know, but bla bla bla, and etc etc etc".

Yr unbelievable.

 

[Rex Hunter]

Am I the only one to have mixed feelings about this whole question?
Part of me wants to see Armstrong get his just slap down, part of me hopes it doesn't happen now and ruin the big cage grudge match that is TDF 2010. Likewise with Contador and the other Astana/Radio Shack guys.
At the same time I have this feeling that we are sitting here waiting to see who is more connected, Armstrong or Contador? Or who is more careful. Or who trusted those around him less.
So while I will probably be angry when nothing comes of this, I guess part of me will be secretly relieved.

Isn't this expressing an opinion? Not sure if that is allowed. Anyway I think you're rare - most want LA taken out in a court room rather than on the road and don't really care about losing another big tour spectacle. I doubt they will get their wish though as if there WAS any banned dope anywhere in anything they have found, they would have tested for it by now. It beggars belief that they have DNA codes but haven't done a dope test.

 

[Rex Hunter]

You keep shifting the goal posts. When you're corrected on a factual error, you say "oh yes I know, but bla bla bla, and etc etc etc".

Yr unbelievable.

But it wasn't a factual error. I was clarifying what I was trying to say. I'm well aware they claimed to have gone through the trash of other teams.

 

[sars1981]

Am I the only one to have mixed feelings about this whole question?
Part of me wants to see Armstrong get his just slap down, part of me hopes it doesn't happen now and ruin the big cage grudge match that is TDF 2010. Likewise with Contador and the other Astana/Radio Shack guys.
At the same time I have this feeling that we are sitting here waiting to see who is more connected, Armstrong or Contador? Or who is more careful. Or who trusted those around him less.
So while I will probably be angry when nothing comes of this, I guess part of me will be secretly relieved.

I would love to see them both brought down. But I am very cynical about anything at all actually happening. We've seen this before. The UCI dont want to bring Astana down. It will come to a point where the police need cooperation from cycling authorities to continue. They will be denied.

 

[sars1981]

Isn't this expressing an opinion? Not sure if that is allowed. Anyway I think you're rare - most want LA taken out in a court room rather than on the road and don't really care about losing another big tour spectacle. I doubt they will get their wish though as if there WAS any banned dope anywhere in anything they have found, they would have tested for it by now. It beggars belief that they have DNA codes but haven't done a dope test.

Do you actually believe Lance and Conatador dont dope?

 

[Hugh Januss]

Isn't this expressing an opinion? Not sure if that is allowed. Anyway I think you're rare - most want LA taken out in a court room rather than on the road and don't really care about losing another big tour spectacle. I doubt they will get their wish though as if there WAS any banned dope anywhere in anything they have found, they would have tested for it by now. It beggars belief that they have DNA codes but haven't done a dope test.

Are you really this ***? The main finding in this case is not drugs themselves but the equipment needed for illegal medical procedures, such as blood transfusions and/or rehydration drips. Both of which are just as banned as a steriod shot (just for example).
Try to pay attention or maybe just take a couple days off posting and read up until you get up to speed with the rest of us.
BTW. I would not be disapointed if Armstrong was caught, just right now I would maybe rather it is next December.

 

[Rex Hunter]

Are you really this ***?

Not a very good start.

The main finding in this case is not drugs themselves but the equipment needed for illegal medical procedures, such as blood transfusions and/or rehydration drips. Both of which are just as banned as a steriod shot (just for example).

But those things have duel use purposes so are no where near as good for a conviction as hard and fast dope. I'm sure you understand this. Without dope the investigation is likely F'ed. I suspect they only went ahead with it at all because they have made their minds up long ago about a certain Texan. All these other teams probably had much the same medical gear but they decided there "wasn't enough evidence to proceed".

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Um, why have you said this?

I find it hard to believe you have no idea what I'm talking about. None the less, I'll humor you.

You have a great tendency to make claims or assertions, but when asked for evidence, links, proof, etc. will shift the topic, or answer questions with questions of your own. Like a form of self-inoculation you'll change the topic, or change the direction of the subject being debated. When people call you out on it, you'll respond by stating they ignored your question, or not answer at all.

It may also come as a surprise to you to find out not only are you not the only person I have warned, I have (yet) to warn you directly, delete your posts, or give you an infraction, which I have done to others.

As you seem to be having a conversation with "some of the mods", if you feel as though I have singled you out or treated you unfairly, feel free to take your case to them.

 

[Rex Hunter]

Do you actually believe Lance and Conatador dont dope?

It's a complicated question that doesn't necessarily have to do with how this selective investigation is being handled. Put it this way, I believe they are by rights the best two tour riders of the last decade.

 

[Race Radio]

Thought of an answer to my simple little question to you yet?

What question? If you are referring to that PM you sent me asking to exchange nude pictures....I don't go that way dude.

 

[Ripper]

What question? If you are referring to that PM you sent me asking to exchange nude pictures....I don't go that way dude.

LMAO ...

 

[Race Radio]

I find it hard to believe you have no idea what I'm talking about. None the less, I'll humor you.

You have a great tendency to make claims or assertions, but when asked for evidence, links, proof, etc. will shift the topic, or answer questions with questions of your own. Like a form of self-inoculation you'll change the topic, or change the direction of the subject being debated. When people call you out on it, you'll respond by stating they ignored your question, or not answer at all.

It may also come as a surprise to you to find out not only are you not the only person I have warned, I have (yet) to warn you directly, delete your posts, or give you an infraction, which I have done to others.

As you seem to be having a conversation with "some of the mods", if you feel as though I have singled you out or treated you unfairly, feel free to take your case to them.

He is a troll. His only goal is to disrupt, not add to the discussion. The more people who respond to his weirdness the happier he is.

 

[BroDeal]

It's a complicated question that doesn't necessarily have to do with how this selective investigation is being handled. Put it this way, I believe they are by rights the best two tour riders of the last decade.

Yeah, sure. Whether or not someone injected EPO or got a blood transfusion is really complicated. It is not like they either did it or they did not do it. It more like determining whether or not a cat is alive in Erwin Shrodinger's box.

 

[Escarabajo]

... I doubt they will get their wish though as if there WAS any banned dope anywhere in anything they have found, they would have tested for it by now...

Please stop derailing threads. The case of doping is made by blood itself and any leftovers that can be tested for DNA. They are not looking for EPO or any other similar dope. So stop saying stupid things. You are filling up this nice thread with garbage and I am getting tired. I really don't have much time to read this forum from work and the little time I have I want to be selective, and the first thing that I find is you garbage.

Honestly I hope the moderators give you a ban right now.

 

[Rex Hunter]

I find it hard to believe you have no idea what I'm talking about. None the less, I'll humor you.

You have a great tendency to make claims or assertions, but when asked for evidence, links, proof, etc. will shift the topic, or answer questions with questions of your own. Like a form of self-inoculation you'll change the topic, or change the direction of the subject being debated. When people call you out on it, you'll respond by stating they ignored your question, or not answer at all.

But you can't actually cite anything though. That's the key. Nobody ever does. I do get a lot of questions thrown at me, and a lot of people like to take me out of context, so you've got the wrong end of the stick. I'm far more straight forward than most people here. If you have something you want cleared up then ask me about it.

It may also come as a surprise to you to find out not only are you not the only person I have warned, I have (yet) to warn you directly, delete your posts, or give you an infraction, which I have done to others.

We know it's token gesture stuff though. RaecRadio, for instance, helpfully posts up this story of a police man lying about having cancer in many threads. Just in the last post to me I was called a ***. I don't actually mind people using underhand tactics - it doesn't effect me and to be honest I find it funny that people get so irrate, I think the fact that I don't really get offended ****es them off - but it's the hypocrisy of it that is a little hard to take. Look at you warning me for much less right now.

You're not as bad as Susan though. They'll be a couple of pages of people slagging with me off with untold offtopic trollery, and she pops up to tell me to cut it out. That can be mind boggling.

As you seem to be having a conversation with "some of the mods", if you feel as though I have singled you out or treated you unfairly, feel free to take your case to them.

No I was just trying to scare some of these kids into stop using the term 'troll' for 'disagree with'. RaceRadio was asked if there has ever been a trolling post on the clinic that he agreed with, and he couldn't answer. Rather telling.

 

[Rex Hunter]

What question? If you are referring to that PM you sent me asking to exchange nude pictures....I don't go that way dude.

You see, Mods.

The question about do you believe Astana were the only team to dope this year?

 

[Rex Hunter]

Please stop derailing threads. The case of doping is made by blood itself and any leftovers that can be tested for DNA. They are not looking for EPO or any other similar dope. So stop saying stupid things. You are filling up this nice thread with garbage and I am getting tired. I really don't have much time to read this forum from work and the little time I have I want to be selective, and the first thing that I find is you garbage.

Honestly I hope the moderators give you a ban right now.

You see. Pretending I'm derailing a thread for pointing out that it's much harder to convict on finding duel use equipment.

Just because blood doping is as useful as EPO doesn't change this point. You're making a different point. Don't shoot the messenger.

 

[BroDeal]

You see. Pretending I'm derailing a thread for pointing out that it's much harder to convict on finding duel use equipment.

Just because blood doping is as useful as EPO doesn't change this point. You're making a different point. Don't shoot the messenger.

Again the troll plays stupid to disrupt the thread.

It does not matter if the equipment was used to infuse blood, saline, or pink lemonade. It's all against the law and contrary to WADA rules.

 

[sars1981]

It's a complicated question that doesn't necessarily have to do with how this selective investigation is being handled. Put it this way, I believe they are by rights the best two tour riders of the last decade.

hahaha. That's a totally different question, though, isn't it. This is a doping forum.

It's not necessarily selective. We hardly have any details to make a judgment. All we know is that reports from police authorities say Astana is under investigation for doping related waste. How do you know if they were selective? How do you know Astana didn't just get busted?