Astana: Vino vs. JB

[Dr. Maserati]

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Astana is Vinnys baby, always has been, always will be, and nobody, not even JB is allowed to screw with Vinnys baby.. He always knew Vinny would be back, so its no surprise, it was only ever a temporary ticket so he should quit whining and get on with his new team....

Not quite ....Astana was Vino's baby! But when he was caught he said he would retire.
JB was brought in to replace Marc Biver and as part of him accepting the decision he said he did not want Vino, Kashkeskin and Kloden!
When Vino announced he was coming back he made the stupid statement that JB can be replaced - even though JB has all the riders contracts.
Astana (or the Kashk Federation) have the money to build a team and the pro tour licence - but they could struggle to fill the roster with a proper team.

 

[Titaniumtim]

I can't see ASO allowing Vino in since he busted during the Tour. Astana will want to push the issue (unlike Liquigas with Basso, where they didn't even ask to bring him) and ASO will just not allow the team in to prevent another Quick-step/Boonen ordeal.

 

[BroDeal]

I can't see ASO allowing Vino in since he busted during the Tour. Astana will want to push the issue (unlike Liquigas with Basso, where they didn't even ask to bring him) and ASO will just not allow the team in to prevent another Quick-step/Boonen ordeal.

That is the old ASO. The new management is all about money, doping be damned. They did not have a problem with Armstrong racing. After this Tour de Bore they might need to get some excitement back in the race. Get Vino in there...and Basso...and FLandis.

 

[SlantParallelogram]

Someone dissed Cyrille Guimard?

Nobody disses the sorcerer!

 

[badboyberty]

Yes, a doper, yes, that disgusted me and dissapointed me, but, one of the most aggresive (sometimes stupidly) riders around, and would be a welcome breath of fresh air in the pelaton, IF HE IS CLEAN

Im expected to get flamed..

PelEton, keep spelling like that and of course you'll get flamed.

 

[Carl0880]

now before i say my peice, i dont mind JB, yes hes an arrogant SOB, yes he has too much power, but he is right up there with BR as the best director sportif out there..

BUT

Astana is Vinnys baby, always has been, always will be, and nobody, not even JB is allowed to screw with Vinnys baby.. He always knew Vinny would be back, so its no surprise, it was only ever a temporary ticket so he should quit whining and get on with his new team

And yes, im a vino fan.. Yes i was gutted when he failed the test, id honestly beleive he could win that tour, and the early crashes, the sight of vinny riding wrapped in bandages, blood showing throught the bandages but still giving it everything was awfu...
but im kinda over it, because he was one of the most tenacious, exciting riders to watch, and the victory in paris was right up there with the best. Yes, a doper, yes, that disgusted me and dissapointed me, but, one of the most aggresive (sometimes stupidly) riders around, and would be a welcome breath of fresh air in the pelaton, IF HE IS CLEAN

Im expected to get flamed..

I have always loved Vino. This race really needed someone like him, in terms of riding style. I guarantee that the stage with the Tourmalet, VIno would have attacked on it. The stage with the Col du Platzerwasel he would have attacked on that climb and the Cat 2 afterwards (This stage profile was fairly similiar to the stage into Gap that he won in 2003. He always gives 100 percent effort and shows it. We would have a climber who actually is willing to compete for a stage victory on a flat stage (i.e. stage 9 i believe it was in the Vuelta he won and Paris in 2005.) Can you imagine a Contador, Schleck or Armstrong trying to win a flat stage??

I htink the Tour might let him in, because he has served his suspension, plus when the Tour comes around next year he will have been racing for 11 months, so he can show he is clean. Like mentioned above, ASO is about generating interest and money, and the financial problems the Kazakhs had in the Giro would not happen if Vino was involved.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

PelEton, keep spelling like that and of course you'll get flamed.

Peloton....

 

[Glockers]

Remember you have Horner and Ruberia (though he is getting old) sitting on the sidelines. Isn't Noval and a few those guys also on the Astana squad?

Is Zubeldia more aligned with Contador or Lance? How about Rast?

Can we expect something like:

Lance, Levi, Horner, Popovych, Rast (???), Ruberia on JB team.

Contador, Paulinho, Zubeldia (???), the Spanish guys not in the tour team on their own team.

Vino, Murayev (haha top support that) and randoms on Astana.

Kloden big question mark or signed by another team entirely.

Maybe JB should sign Cadel as a super domestique!

 

[rhubroma]

It's great to watch the spectacle of a doper backed by his mafioso run nation, with no moral scrupples whatsoever, strike at a man by pronouncing an arrogant order to him, who is himself connected (formerly) to one of the greatest doping masterminds of all time (Saiz) and who ran his teams (Postal-Discovery and, now, Astana) under the most Napoleonic and CEO regimes, who is backed by the Boss/Godfather of cycling. It's like John Gotti dissing publicly Al Capone for treading on his territory by overstepping the rigorous family bounds which the omerà has established, and the offense will naturally lead to a new clan war next year! Great stuff that. Surely the most beautiful spectacle we have seen at Tour this year.

 

[sherer]

looks like we have to wait a bit for this to unfold but i think JB has really offended Contador to the point where he doesn't want to ride with his team any more. How they can do that to the best stage racer in the world i've no idea looks like they got caught up in the Lance returning saga and didn't think things through

 

[badboyberty]

Peloton....

my stoopid...

 

[Amsterhammer]

Great stuff that. Surely the most beautiful spectacle we have seen at Tour this year.

I'd like to think that for most of us who don't watch the Tour to feed our personal obsessions, the "most beautiful spectacle " is the racing (when we actually get any).

 

[Anonymous]

PelEton, keep spelling like that and of course you'll get flamed.

you will also notice i get my there, their, and theyres muddled up, my where's and well, is there another where? and occasionally for no reason i add letters onto worlds, or should that be words...

flame me for bad spelling, Im used to it, the wife is amidst the dance and drama, also an english teacher..

I shall just flame you for being ugly..

(thats a joke btw, im sure your very nice asthetically)

 

[Anonymous]

Peloton....

not much more to say on that one..

 

[badboyberty]

I shall just flame you for being ugly..

(thats a joke btw, im sure your very nice asthetically)

No I'm pretty damn ugly, and bloody scawny too.

 

[7starz]

It's great to watch the spectacle of a doper backed by his mafioso run nation, with no moral scrupples whatsoever, strike at a man by pronouncing an arrogant order to him, who is himself connected (formerly) to one of the greatest doping masterminds of all time (Saiz) and who ran his teams (Postal-Discovery and, now, Astana) under the most Napoleonic and CEO regimes, who is backed by the Boss/Godfather of cycling. It's like John Gotti dissing publicly Al Capone for treading on his territory by overstepping the rigorous family bounds which the omerà has established, and the offense will naturally lead to a new clan war next year! Great stuff that. Surely the most beautiful spectacle we have seen at Tour this year.

Omerta - grave over the a - apart from that,

 

[Anonymous]

No I'm pretty damn ugly, and bloody scRawny too.

......damn ten character rule......

 

[7starz]

I have always loved Vino. He always gives 100 percent effort and shows it. We would have a climber who actually is willing to compete for a stage victory on a flat stage (i.e. stage 9 i believe it was in the Vuelta he won and Paris in 2005.) Can you imagine a Contador, Schleck or Armstrong trying to win a flat stage??

I htink the Tour might let him in, because he has served his suspension, plus when the Tour comes around next year he will have been racing for 11 months, so he can show he is clean. Like mentioned above, ASO is about generating interest and money, and the financial problems the Kazakhs had in the Giro would not happen if Vino was involved.

I'm with you on all this.
Vino has been up there and brilliant since his Casino days in 1998/99. Not only did he win the flat Champs stage in 2005 but that same year took the Henri Desgrange Prix on the Col du Galibier, a truly fabulous feat! He's also won the Vuelta, Amstel Gold, Tours de Suisse & Deutschland, Dauphine Libere and Liege-Bastogne-Liege. 2 Paris Nice wins including 2003, when his best friend Kivilev tragically died, silver in the 2000 Olympic Road Race, which Ullrich won and Kolden came 3rd, not to mention various stages in the Vuelta & Tour. Always has Vino been the silent man, never showboating or shooting off his mouth, always exciting and unpredictable and has been a major part in seducing me into my love of cycling. I don't understsand where this ego thing stems from - a picture on a shirt?? Please.
Of course Astana is his baby, without him it would not exist: he worked long & tirelessly to raise funds and sponsorships for HIS team and simultaneously to raise the profile of his beloved country which had been under the Soviet yoke for so long - can you imagine the Spartan conditions he endured when he started out cycling as a boy, with c**p equipment and terrible roads, THAT'S what made him the hard and thrilling racer he became - no wonder his President is proud of him. It must have almost killed Vino to watch the sweaty-faced Belgian and his American puppet seize control, I know I've hated it!
He has apparently said that he wants his team when he returns this year to consist of Spanish and Kazakh/Russian etc riders, so who knows re AC? Kolden will stay, they have long been pals and Kash is purported to be ready to return also. Personally I can't wait for Vino's return, in whatever capacity and wherever, I've missed him.

 

[BroDeal]

I'd like to think that for most of us who don't watch the Tour to feed our personal obsessions, the "most beautiful spectacle " is the racing (when we actually get any).

My condolences that you are unable to enjoy the Tour because you are too obsessed with what people you don't know say about Armstrong.

 

[Sheltowee]

He's another that strikes me as not caring. He clearly thinks he's the boss and that it is still his team. So, we'll see what scraps he hsa left to play with when he gets there.

Well, it is his team. The sponsors have shown that. So let them crash and burn with him. I don't think they will even get a Giro invite next year with Vino ramroding the outfit. He has a caustic attitude toward nonslavic riders, and his comments about the french riders not long before he got busted were deplorable.

 

[**Uru**]

Vino will get his team, minus any of the non-Khazaks on it. Anyone with talent will either go with JB or find another team.

 

[lucybears]

on cyclingfans twitter - Bruyneel has agreed with the kazakhs to allow Vino to race the Vuelta with Astana

 

[anubisza]

I think the Astana team will go back to how it was a year and a bit ago, before JB got involved. and good luck to them. They'll need it.

 

[sherer]

on cyclingfans twitter - Bruyneel has agreed with the kazakhs to allow Vino to race the Vuelta with Astana

I guess it was either stay to the end of the year and then leave with no fuss and look after Vino at the Vuelta or go now and have a legal case about it.

Vuelta with Vino should be exciting. Not sure if AC will go for the double now prob too soon after the tour

 

[Clemson Cycling]

Is the UCI allowed to strip their Pro Tour License and is the Tour going to allow a team built around a man who disgraced the event? They had that whole fiasco with paying salaries and not they are likely going to bring back two dopers right after their suspensions ended