At what point does it become acceptable to discuss the elephant that is...

[Ferminal]

So Dombrowski did 5.35 W/kg on Gavia in 2012. Stage wasn't full Zomegnan *** but 6 hours all up and probably harder than the average pro stage. He didn't get any help with the pace and IIRC it was just Dombrowski and Aru all the way up. Given the altitude/length that is a very strong performance by the pair.

e.g.
Galibier 2013 Nibali ~5.3 (snow/goslow)
Giau 2012 Hesjedal ~5.6 (much shorter/less altitude)
Stelvio 2012 Purito ~5.1 (longer climb/harder stage)
Galibier 2011 Evans ~5.6


There are no perfect comparisons but you get the idea. Accounting for the altitude and length of Gavia I get something like 5.7 - 5.8 standardised to an Alpe d'Huez. If Dombrowski were racing a month earlier he would have been 3rd or 4th (around Scarponi) in climbing terms.

It will be interesting to see what happens after the last couple of years (bad luck aside). He had that one good day on Albula but still a significant margin off Gavia. If he gets back to where he was he will still be a GT top5, if he has Pinot improvement on top of that then he will be hitting 6.0 W/kg and winner potential. I don't think even Aru has managed that yet and he looks to be on the works, I doubt Dombrowski has more headroom.

I'm a firm believer that you can be at your best at 21 or thereabouts. Maybe that is the case for these two.

 

[sniper]

So Dombrowski did 5.35 W/kg on Gavia in 2012. Stage wasn't full Zomegnan *** but 6 hours all up and probably harder than the average pro stage. He didn't get any help with the pace and IIRC it was just Dombrowski and Aru all the way up. Given the altitude/length that is a very strong performance by the pair.

e.g.
Galibier 2013 Nibali ~5.3 (snow/goslow)
Giau 2012 Hesjedal ~5.6 (much shorter/less altitude)
Stelvio 2012 Purito ~5.1 (longer climb/harder stage)
Galibier 2011 Evans ~5.6


There are no perfect comparisons but you get the idea. Accounting for the altitude and length of Gavia I get something like 5.7 - 5.8 standardised to an Alpe d'Huez. If Dombrowski were racing a month earlier he would have been 3rd or 4th (around Scarponi) in climbing terms.

It will be interesting to see what happens after the last couple of years (bad luck aside). He had that one good day on Albula but still a significant margin off Gavia. If he gets back to where he was he will still be a GT top5, if he has Pinot improvement on top of that then he will be hitting 6.0 W/kg and winner potential. I don't think even Aru has managed that yet and he looks to be on the works, I doubt Dombrowski has more headroom.

I'm a firm believer that you can be at your best at 21 or thereabouts. Maybe that is the case for these two.

clean riders will normally not end up racing for Trek Livestrong and Team Sky, so the odds are against Dombrowski.
JV could/should shed some light on the guy's true potential.
JV has been quite open about JTL's test results, so why not share with us what he saw when he tested Dombrowski.

 

[DirtyWorks]

clean riders will normally not end up racing for Trek Livestrong and Team Sky, so the odds are against Dombrowski.

He's a USA Cycling product too. The only thing missing is posting stuff about how special it is to ride with George and Levi and the cleanest peloton ever.

 

[blackcat]

Burrow, best climber ever in the UK.

but not as good as ricky riccio

 

[86TDFWinner]

I'm not sure how well they work outside of Belgium though. Was he ever brought in to the USADA investigation at all?

I don't recall. But hasn't eddy gone on record saying he doped during his career?

Someone who SHOULD be brought to USADA for investigation, is Miggy. My opinion of course.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Poor Eddy never could've imagined that Lance doped
He's simply a victim of that pathological liar
Bruyneel is evil
All other Belgians involved were just unlucky to get tangled up in the web

That's about the story in Belgian media I believe

Thanks, I needed a good laugh today.

 

[86TDFWinner]

Yes, and Armstrong was clean because Burrow was a spud at USPS relative to his Pantani smashing days.

No, you have it wrong dude: he's been tested 500+ times "and never tested positive", remember? Where is he? "he's been on his bike, busting his *** for 6 hours a day".

Don't forget any of this ok?

 

[Parker]

Someone who SHOULD be brought to USADA for investigation, is Miggy. My opinion of course.

I don't think that investigating someone who's entire career is ten years outside the statute of limitations, has no real role in sport and has no connection with the USA (other than the Atlanta Olympics) is the best use of their resources, to be honest.