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Lampaert has been disqualified, no further repercussions.
I agree, you'd have to prove intent but does anyone really think Lampaert just decided on his own to take out his teammate's closest rival? Assume there was a clear message sent from QS: don't let Wellens contest the next bonus sprint.
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Yeha surprise surprise, he"ll get a fine too and they'll take away some UCI points probably. Wow that's going to hurt the team with 30k UCI points over 3 years. So annoying that big teams can get away with this ***.
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Yep. Next time a rider gets caught doping, throw out the entire team, as the entire team benefits from one rider doping. A football team also benefits as a whole from one player preventing a goal from being scored with an illegal action. So a red card for only that player does not cut it.
Obviously they should not DQ the entire team but suspend Lampaert.
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That was just a sad thing to see. Unsportsmanlike conduct. UCI should really take a look at this case and in which light it puts the sport. Lampaert should get hit harder, even though he might just be Quick Steps scape goat.
Entire teams can get suspended after multiple doping infrictions of individual riders.
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Multiple... when it there is systematic doping going on within the team. Which is a completely different issue than what we are discussing/comparing here.
No idea. Are you arguing it is, because i can't remember anybody making that claim.
It doesn't have to be systematic. The infriction of the rules is different., but that as a consequence of a mistakes made by teammates, an entire team can be punished is the point.
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Maybe a similar thing regards multiple fair play infractions leading to a team temporary timeout in the same manner, though, could feasibly work.
After all, that way, yes, you get away with an incident like today's with only a final day DQ if it's an isolated occurrence, but if there are multiple infractions, then you have either a particular rider who is a bad apple and is costing their teammates and that becomes a black mark on them for their career, or you have a culture of unsportsmanlike behaviour at the team and can't argue the suspension.
The updated line-up for the Vuelta includes Higuita, Hindley, Kelderman and Buchmann. At least the first two will be there and going for GC. So there's even less space in the team there.
I think there are two option. Number 1 take the sunk cost fallacy and send Bennett to the Tour with some support. Probably it will be only 2-4 stages were he will disappoint and for the rest of the race they can go for stages. They won't have to ride on the flat stages and close gaps.
Number 2 don't take Bennett and accept that the fallout will be lead to him leaving the team at the end of the year. Try to keep van Poppel and let Mullen/Archbold walk as well. If there's no place for Bennett in this Tour squad there will be no place for him until the Vuelta 2023 in any GT anyways in my opinion.
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A simple solution that rolling forward would likely be more preventative would be to either award equal bonus seconds to the rider that was impacted, or trade bonus seconds if that makes more sense in the given situation. That would certainly present a disincentive to such douchebaggery.
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This should be a penalty for the whole team not just Lampaert...He was not acting alone as can be seen by the footage
Dreadful unsportsmanlike like behavior
A parallel could be drawn with the relay events in athletics where a failed doping test for 1 member of the team results in the whole teams result being annulled and a disqualification. It’s happened on a few occasions that a team has had to return their medals years later after new testing processes emerge and retests of samples show up banned products.
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Amasing how Remco seems to win more races he is not in than ones which he actually races ...must be another of his many super powers
There is always option 3 which is to take Bennett but without any dedicated riders and direct him to follow the other sprint trains in the finales he is able to contest.
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That's actually how he used to do it a lot of the time when he was first with them. he had a lot of success surfing wheels in the final couple of Km.
Cycling remains in the low end of morality of sports, on many levels.
In very few sports is the presence of Russians so little debated as in cycling.
In very few sports is risk-taking so admired as in cycling - crashes are just part of it.
In very few sports is intended dangerous behaviour towards opponents so leniently punished as in cycling.
(And I haven't even mentioned doping yet.)
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I guess you are supporting to be more lenient towards Russian riders, right? Because there is only one russian cyclist currently active in the Pro peloton due to UCI actions.
I don't think barring everyone from a country to take part in sports is desirable or moral. I would say it is quite the opposite. I don't even know how avoiding a single Russian rider who has indeed spoken against war to take part in competitions is moral.
About crashes, dangerous behaviour... honestly, do you know motor sports? How many motorcyclist do get killed every year just at the Isle de Man competition? And what about the Dakar, even Moto GP or other competitions? F1, Rallies... Those sports are extremely more dangerous than cycling.
What about football? Football is based upon sportmanship, every player tries to cheat, simulates contacts to force fouls, penaltys, losing time when your team is ahead... we've seen players fouling VERY HARD their opponents on purpose.
Doping? Won't go in there, but we have had doping cases in Football, NBA has been more or less a doping paradise. Nadal plays with permanent TUEs thanks to his foot...
Besides, morality is subject to personal and social views.
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He publicly withdrew from Twitter last September.
But QST still have social media and a PR team, so by all means continue to harangue them there and demand a statement.
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They should have taken away the seconds that Schmid could gain through the doings of his teammates. There ARE teams in this sport, that has to be taken into regard. Otherwise teams will see this as good tactics and try to do it again/more often.
Real fail by Quickstep, but also by the commissaires.
Real fail by Quickstep, but also by the commissaires.
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