Basso vs. Vino

[Steel4Ever]

IF Basso wins the Giro will there be the same outrage towards him as there was toward Vino when he won Liège one month ago?

Yes or no?
Why or why not?

Just curious...

 

[RhodriM]

IIRC Basso admitted to 'thinking about' or 'attempting' doping or something. Which sounds pretty weak to me, but it is at least marginally better than Vino - who failed a test, was unrepentant, then 'retired' to try and get a shorter ban.

I think if Basso wins the reaction may be more of a depressed sigh.

 

[flyor64]

Do you mean here on the CN forum? Or in general?

The tifosi appeared to be quite supportive of him yesterday climbing up The Crown...then again, they appreared quite supportive of Vino too.

 

[Mongol_Waaijer]

IIRC Basso admitted to 'thinking about' or 'attempting' doping or something. Which sounds pretty weak to me, but it is at least marginally better than Vino - who failed a test, was unrepentant, then 'retired' to try and get a shorter ban.

I think if Basso wins the reaction may be more of a depressed sigh.

That cracked me up. He won the Giro by more than 15 minutes clean, and then thought he might need to dope the next year.

Anyone who believes that is daft.

 

[blackcat]

personally, I still think Basso is "attempting to dope" lolz

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

personally, I still think Basso is "attempting to dope" lolz

Just like Cuddles is using the 'confidence' of being WC to outclimb everyone bar Birillo

 

[Vonn Brinkman]

The tifosi appeared to be quite supportive of him yesterday climbing up The Crown

They love him! As long as an Italian wins the Giro, the Tifosi will be satisfied.
Maybe even Ricco

 

[ak-zaaf]

IF Basso wins the Giro will there be the same outrage towards him as there was toward Vino when he won Liège one month ago?

Yes or no?
Why or why not?

Just curious...

No.
Basso behaved like a model citizen (after he lied for as long as he possibly could, signed a new contract and then still didn't confess to actually doping himself) and is from a traditional cycling country.

Vino is from a scary country, has a personality we don't understand and he's unrepentant. Unrepentant I tell you!

I think most people complaining are just jealous his bloodtest results come up 100% awesome.

 

[santacruz]

Basso publishes all his blood values right? Lots of people here seem to believe in Basso so I'm starting to look at him a bit differently. I know it would be a lot to ask one of these guys to be like Millar or Landis and actually talk about doping... It sure would be nice if he apologized, admitted to it, etc. The fans understand doping has been sort've a requirement in the past. I definitely won't be upset, like I would with Vino, that guy is unrepentant, and a total tool.

 

[hector5950]

I think a couple things come to play. First, Basso really lame admission plays at least part. I mean, he was attempting to dope was lamer than "I didn't inhale" but it was admitting without admitting. Vino still thinks we're dumb enough to believe his claims of being clean.

Secondly, I think there is a likability factor. Basso seems like a pretty good guy. He may not be, but that is how he comes across. Vino on the other hand, seems to be a bit of a jag-off. It might just be that he's pretty reserved, but to me he seems like an ***.

 

[flyor64]

...I think most people complaining are just jealous his bloodtest results come up 100% awesome.

Please tell me they are showing How I Met Your Mother in The Netherlands...now that would be awesome

 

[Alesle]

That cracked me up. He won the Giro by more than 15 minutes clean, and then thought he might need to dope the next year.

Anyone who believes that is daft.

It was the closest he could get to admitting it without losing his Giro title. If any doping conviction lead to all previous achievements being wiped clean he'd probably admit to doping.

 

[RhodriM]

They love him! As long as an Italian wins the Giro, the Tifosi will be satisfied.
Maybe even Ricco

Ha, when I saw La Vuelta last year I realised I was probably the only person on the mountain who wanted to throw rocks at Valverde rather than cheer him.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

How much higher was Basso's avg power output in final climbs pre-ban compared to post-ban? 10%? 15%?

 

[blaxland]

Ha, when I saw La Vuelta last year I realised I was probably the only person on the mountain who wanted to throw rocks at Valverde rather than cheer him.

Agree....And when Valverde was in Australia this year i wanted to do the same,except i would have gone to jail for that.........P.S. Willunga climb is not a mountain..

 

[ferryman]

That cracked me up. He won the Giro by more than 15 minutes clean, and then thought he might need to dope the next year.

Anyone who believes that is daft.

Indeed. He was, erm. on a different level to everyone that year. And Le Tour was next and then his dog tripped him up But he is back and will win the Giro easy - sigh

 

[ellenbrook2001]

thanks

hahaha you rigth everyone will be stunt????????????????but i am so confused all the leaders look so tired so dead but BASSO still fresh lol hmmm why????????/

 

[hector5950]

then his dog tripped him up

This is something that always bothered me about the whole Puerto thing. If you're paying that much money for an illegal doping program, do you expect the clinic to have a more sophisticated encryption system than using your dog's name?

 

[Martin318is]

hahaha you rigth everyone will be stunt????????????????but i am so confused all the leaders look so tired so dead but BASSO still fresh lol hmmm why????????/

I wouldn't have said he looked that much fresher than the other GC contenders. Keep in mind that the baseline level of Evans is to look like he just ran a marathon - and then he looks worse on the bike.

Basso looked to be suffering on the Zoncolan and in the TT - but his "suffer face" has a bit of a smile-like grimace in it.

Not saying he is clean - just saying he doesn't look all that much better than anyone else.

 

[ferryman]

This is something that always bothered me about the whole Puerto thing. If you're paying that much money for an illegal doping program, do you expect the clinic to have a more sophisticated encryption system than using your dog's name?

Maybe like your Bank asking for your Mothers's maiden name, first School, First Pet's name etc as a security check

 

[Nick777]

Just like Cuddles is using the 'confidence' of being WC to outclimb everyone bar Birillo

Phew, for a minute there I thought you were going to miss an opportunity to have a go at Evans.
Well done.

 

[Runitout]

Phew, for a minute there I thought you were going to miss an opportunity to have a go at Evans.
Well done.

MJM's like the anti-ACF94. I think Cuddles stole his/her parking spot once. Pictures of Evans on the dartboard, Newspaper clippings covered in blood - you get the idea.

(And no, I don't think Cuddles is clean either.)

 

[Nick777]

MJM's like the anti-ACF94. I think Cuddles stole his/her parking spot once. Pictures of Evans on the dartboard, Newspaper clippings covered in blood - you get the idea.

(And no, I don't think Cuddles is clean either.)

I think they are the same person. Inner turmoil etc..

 

[Hillavoider]

If Basso wins the italians will love him to death, we are talking about italians here, a whole country that embraces corruption