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Bayern Rundfahrt, 25th -29th of May - 2.HC

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Gloin22

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Bayern Rundfahrt, 25th -29th of May - 2.HC

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Riders of Note : Cancellara, Hagen, Thomas, Wiggins,Knees, K.Fernadez, Bole, Kittel, Voeckler, Albasini, Bobridge.

Stage 1:
Location: Pfarrkirchen - Freystadt
Distance: 223.6km


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Stage 2:
Location: Freystadt - Bad Gögging
Distance: 206.2km

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Stage 3:
Location: Bad Gögging - Aichach
Distance: 179.2km

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Stage 4:

Type : Flat Time Trial
Location: Einzelzeitfahren Friedberg
Distance: 26 km


Stage 5:
Location:Friedberg - Moosburg
Distance: 162.1km

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Cancellara should be favourite but Sky have a squad in which I can imagine any of them winning pretty much.

As long as Sky don't throw all their eggs into one basket and waste the energy of their other riders then they should be able to win.
 
Libertine Seguros

Libertine Seguros

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Bavarianrider said:
Man it's so sad that they always make such crap routes:(
A traditional race and the only stage race left in Deutschland. But the course is always so boring:(:(:( Really sad
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Agreed. I'm not expecting a mountaintop finish at Oberes Sudelfeld, Oberen Firstalm or anywhere else in fact or anything (though they would be nice), but there are lots of towns you could put as finishes that would create a tougher parcours, like Bayrischzell, Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Sonthofen, Peißenberg (Pröbstelsberg finish please!!!), Berchtesgaden, Zwiesel, Bischofsmais...

instead, it's one of my dreaded "four sprints, then win the TT to win the race" races.
 
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Bavarianrider

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Libertine Seguros said:
Agreed. I'm not expecting a mountaintop finish at Oberes Sudelfeld, Oberen Firstalm or anywhere else in fact or anything (though they would be nice), but there are lots of towns you could put as finishes that would create a tougher parcours, like Bayrischzell, Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Sonthofen, Peißenberg (Pröbstelsberg finish please!!!), Berchtesgaden, Zwiesel, Bischofsmais...

instead, it's one of my dreaded "four sprints, then win the TT to win the race" races.
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Sadly it's true. They seem to avoid every mountain. Every year they make a crap route with some of those 70m mountains which they then sell as the "queen stage" I can't remember one selective stage in the last 10 years.
 
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Bavarianrider

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Libertine Seguros said:
Agreed. I'm not expecting a mountaintop finish at Oberes Sudelfeld, Oberen Firstalm or anywhere else in fact or anything (though they would be nice), but there are lots of towns you could put as finishes that would create a tougher parcours, like Bayrischzell, Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Sonthofen, Peißenberg (Pröbstelsberg finish please!!!), Berchtesgaden, Zwiesel, Bischofsmais...

instead, it's one of my dreaded "four sprints, then win the TT to win the race" races.
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Mountain finish on Nebelhorn would be epic:D:D:D

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Libertine Seguros

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Bavarianrider said:
Mountain finish on Nebelhorn would be epic:D:D:D
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It would be awesome. They'd need to cancel it out with a decent length ITT.

Personally, I think the Bayern Rundfahrt should have one genuine mountain finish (though not a super-long one), a short climb finish (such as Pröbstelsberg as I mentioned before) and a TT of 25km or so (your mileage may vary depending on how tough the mountain finish you have). If you then want to have a couple of flatter stages then that's no problem, cos then you're giving something to everybody - the sprinters, the rouleurs, the TT guys, the puncheurs, the climbers. Nice short race for the all-rounder to win, like the Vuelta a Burgos, one of the best short stage races around.

I think in order to get any of these decent climbs to be used however we need to have the Deutschlandtour back. Not just Bayern, but Baden-Württemberg has a large number of good climbs that are totally unused. The Sachsenrundfahrt at least used things like the Steiler Wand von Meerane.

The Niedersachsenrundfahrt, however, is thankfully gone. I hated that race with a passion.

There could be so many good races in Germany, it's depressing to see what German cycling has become, not just in terms of the number of races but in terms of what those races do with themselves.

And as long as Germany's best prospects continue to be sprinters and TT guys (which is inevitable on these simple parcours), it will stay that way.

Edit: the two climbs I mentioned before - Oberes Sudelfeld from Degerndorf am Inn - 13,7km @ 6,3% with the second half of the climb being much steeper than the first; Oberen Firstalm from Aurach - 6,6km @ 9,0%
 
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The only exciting thing about this race will be whether or not EBH can get enough bonus seconds to hold off Cancellara in the time trial. Can't see anyone else challenging Cancellara.
 
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Hagen might not yet be in totally great shape to challegne for wins in sprints. I'd say They will let Knees attack at the 'queen stage' and see how it goes. Though having Thomas as lead-out will help a lot. They keep wiggins for TT.
 
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Rechtschreibfehler

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maltiv said:
The only exciting thing about this race will be whether or not EBH can get enough bonus seconds to hold off Cancellara in the time trial. Can't see anyone else challenging Cancellara.
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Kittel could win stages/bonus seconds and try to defend himself in the TT as well. Hell, looking on the recent results Kittel should win stages, it'll be interesting to see him TT though as there hasn't been any implication of his form in those yet. Same thing is true for Degenkolb, maybe even more than Kittel in the GC as Dege is better going over hills. Has EBH got any result yet this season or shown any kind of his best form over the last 12 month?
 
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Bye Bye Bicycle

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As long as there is no german climbing specialist in sight you won't find any really hard mountain stages here. Things like the Nebelhorn are good for freak races like the Giro; no sense to include it in a minor stage race like this.

The loss of all those races in Germany is a real shame. Not so much the Deutschland-Tour which has been only introduced in the Ullrich hype years. The real shame is the disappearance of those traditional races like Sachsen-Tour (it's here that a certain Andy Schleck got his first pro win [I don't count those laughable LUX TT Champs]), Rheinland-Pfalz-Rundfahrt (1998 won by a certain Lance A.), Regio-Tour and especially the Peace Race/Course de la Paix.

Most of them were well-organized events with colourful pelotons and attractive racing without this let's-wait-for-the-ultra-steep-MTF-which-will-decide-the-race thing some users here are so fond of. I prefer the always-entertaining Kaiserstuhl stage of the Regio-Tour, Sachsen-Tour's short prologues in the heart of Dresden or Meißen and the beautiful scenery of Niedersachsen-Rundfahrt's Harz stages. As someone already mentioned, the Steile Wand von Meerane, used by Sachsen-Tour and Peace Race, has never been race-deciding, but nevertheless THE icon of those races.
 
Bavarianrider

Bavarianrider

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Libertine Seguros said:
It would be awesome. They'd need to cancel it out with a decent length ITT.

Personally, I think the Bayern Rundfahrt should have one genuine mountain finish (though not a super-long one), a short climb finish (such as Pröbstelsberg as I mentioned before) and a TT of 25km or so (your mileage may vary depending on how tough the mountain finish you have). If you then want to have a couple of flatter stages then that's no problem, cos then you're giving something to everybody - the sprinters, the rouleurs, the TT guys, the puncheurs, the climbers. Nice short race for the all-rounder to win, like the Vuelta a Burgos, one of the best short stage races around.

I think in order to get any of these decent climbs to be used however we need to have the Deutschlandtour back. Not just Bayern, but Baden-Württemberg has a large number of good climbs that are totally unused. The Sachsenrundfahrt at least used things like the Steiler Wand von Meerane.

The Niedersachsenrundfahrt, however, is thankfully gone. I hated that race with a passion.

There could be so many good races in Germany, it's depressing to see what German cycling has become, not just in terms of the number of races but in terms of what those races do with themselves.

And as long as Germany's best prospects continue to be sprinters and TT guys (which is inevitable on these simple parcours), it will stay that way.

Edit: the two climbs I mentioned before - Oberes Sudelfeld from Degerndorf am Inn - 13,7km @ 6,3% with the second half of the climb being much steeper than the first; Oberen Firstalm from Aurach - 6,6km @ 9,0%
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I don't even think they are designing the tracks so that they especially fit the germans. They just lack of imagination, lack of caycling knowledge and lack the courage to make a good stage. I mean nobody excpects a pure climbers route or something. But always 4 dull sprint stages and a 25km. It's always the same boring ****. That's really depressing. Sudelfeld sounds very nice. Not too hard but a decent length.
 
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I don't know why but i will go for a french team even though voeckler will not go well in ITT. And then sky.
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I wonder if he will take part in the Tour de Luxembourg as well, the terrain is much more suited to his abilities and he has won it before
 
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