Ben Foster doped....to play Lance.

[blackcat]

Don't think that's illegal

While Ben Foster himself hasn't named the drug, most seem to think it was EPO.

What would he hope to gain from doing EPO? More likely did Coke because it's fun and decided to make up some *** to build intrigue about the film.

this.

imo, SeriousSam has it right,

Foster is the binary, or dichotomy to Lance's dope fueled career. Foster also lies, but then the dichotomy, or mirror half, is Foster lies about using drugs, when he is not doping.

I do doubt Foster bothered to take roids or Edgar to go all Stanislavsky method on us. He is lying about taking them, because the marketing and PR folks have got into him about crafting the elaborate and intriguing meta-narrative

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Plenty of other actors use assistance to get into shape, normally anabolics to help adding muscle mass.

Difference is that he did drugs he doesn't want to name (lol) to know what's it like being Lance. Based on a quick skim of what Ben has to say he's doing a great job contributing to the public's misunderstanding of PEDs.

But yes, every time you see some film star being all ripped, he's done anabolics. Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's hilarious though when the clueless idiots starting doing the Batman training regime and wonder why it doesn't make them look like Christian Bale.

the new peptides that stimulate your own testo and gh work much better than the old roids, even getting a significant rack like Bale had in American Psycho.

 

[MarkvW]

People here talk about PEDs like they are a bad thing. That's just crazy! If the benefit from PEDs outweighs the harm and expense, then why not take them? The only problem is when PEDs are used to break the rules of a sporting contest. And, frankly, sporting contests just aren't that much of a big deal.

Good for Ben Foster! I'm glad he took the dope under a doctor's care and I hope it helped his performance! Emma what'shername is just ridiculous.

 

[Alpe73]

Re:

People here talk about PEDs like they are a bad thing. That's just crazy! If the benefit from PEDs outweighs the harm and expense, then why not take them? The only problem is when PEDs are used to break the rules of a sporting contest. And, frankly, sporting contests just aren't that much of a big deal.

Good for Ben Foster! I'm glad he took the dope under a doctor's care and I hope it helped his performance! Emma what'shername is just ridiculous.

I really can't imagine (emphasis added) that many people here are rather bothered by doping , per se, or cheating per se ... not in the same sense as WADA, USADA are concerned. It really seems (emphasis added) that many people are rather bothered by certain (could be their nationhood, could be their sponsor, could be their blue eyes, could be their success, could be their uppitiness) athletes overall persona rather than dime a day doping infractions. Great (feels really good, dunnit), to some, to see a big name fall. I mean, it's better to see a Thomson's gazelle fall hard than a warthog, innit?

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

I really can't imagine (emphasis added) that many people here are rather bothered by doping , per se, or cheating per se ... not in the same sense as WADA, USADA are concerned. It really seems (emphasis added) that many people are rather bothered by certain (could be their nationhood, could be their sponsor, could be their blue eyes, could be their success, could be their uppitiness) athletes overall persona rather than dime a day doping infractions. Great (feels really good, dunnit), to some, to see a big name fall. I mean, it's better to see a Thomson's gazelle fall hard than a warthog, innit?

yep, it is this base instinct, plus its companion when one feels like they are getting one put over them, they dont like the inner resent that piques if they feel like they are being treated like the chump.

some are competitors, and have a pavlov reaction to PEDs, which is more organic, but still this has an element of social engineering as (in the West, especially in the anglophone countries), there has been puritan thru-narrative, amateurism in sport (British) and fairplay and sportsmenship at the heart of the matter. When this ethic is tipped on its head, ofcourse people will revile, will react, will protest.

 

[blackcat]

alpe is your avatar you, or is it HST, or is it Graham Watson, or Graeme Watson his spelling chimera.

my avatar? well, thats me. Or in a good day, that could be PR. 'pends on the mutli-personality DSMVI pathology personality i tend to be juggling that day. And if I am doping ephemerally, or not doping at all. or is The Climber is responding to my PR doping posts

#armchair

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

Walsh being played by Chris O'Dowd might be the highlight of this movie.. isn't he like.. 30? lol

Is this the "IT Crowd" Roy?

Would love to see him in some "The Doped Crowd" series... with Richmond-like mysteriou character as main doctor.

From goth to boss... from timetrialist to mountain goat.

Be great if there as a scene where his tape recorder or something didn't work... get some IT guy to come in and make the suggestion

Is Richard Ayoade doing anything ATM

 

[orangerider]

Just a publicity stunt to get more viewers to watch, IMO. The PEDs could've just been some mild amphetamines for all the truth may be. Reverse clinic in a sense.

 

[Kwibus]

I really don't understand why people get upset by an actor using doping just to know how it feels as he's going to play the role of the most famous doper in the world.

It's not like he's got an edge over other actors because he doped...

I must say he does look like Armstrong here. That's more important.

I didn't even know they were making a movie. I hope it's good and I'll likely watch it.

 

[Alpe73]

Re: Re:

I really can't imagine (emphasis added) that many people here are rather bothered by doping , per se, or cheating per se ... not in the same sense as WADA, USADA are concerned. It really seems (emphasis added) that many people are rather bothered by certain (could be their nationhood, could be their sponsor, could be their blue eyes, could be their success, could be their uppitiness) athletes overall persona rather than dime a day doping infractions. Great (feels really good, dunnit), to some, to see a big name fall. I mean, it's better to see a Thomson's gazelle fall hard than a warthog, innit?

yep, it is this base instinct, plus its companion when one feels like they are getting one put over them, they dont like the inner resent that piques if they feel like they are being treated like the chump.

some are competitors, and have a pavlov reaction to PEDs, which is more organic, but still this has an element of social engineering as (in the West, especially in the anglophone countries), there has been puritan thru-narrative, amateurism in sport (British) and fairplay and sportsmenship at the heart of the matter. When this ethic is tipped on its head, ofcourse people will revile, will react, will protest.

1. Being treated like a chump? Paranoia erotica ... they should not love so hard in the first place.
2. The high level competitors on here - that's decent enough point ... but soon even their bitterness becomes tiresome to the most patient of ears. Cynicism in the long run is highly unproductive.
3. Fairplay and sportsmanship - love it in 'house league' - but beyond that the crumbling mythology is hidden only to those who will not see. Get on the train, control the best you can, or call on the proletariat bros for actione.

 

[Bolder]

Good for Foster. I imagine he gained valuable insights on how LA felt on the juice. The faux outrage from O'Reilly is nauseating -- can she really not separate moviemaking from pro cycling? The infernal idiocy of everyone involved in cycling makes me gnash my teeth.

 

[SeriousSam]

I didn't even know they were making a movie. I hope it's good and I'll likely watch it.

And that's why fabricating controversy a winner.

 

[The Carrot]

Isn't this called 'method acting'?

 

[thiscocks]

Dont see what the big deal is. Surley its better that the actor is that into the role. I bet loads of actors have been on some sort of drugs when they have to 'beef up' for some superhero movies. Not even to mention Pacino in Scarface ect..

 

[Cycle Chic]

" Coming off those drugs is the difficult part. That's where your health concerns will come in. And it took a while for me to right myself."

Be good to know what the side effects are.

 

[blackcat]

Re:

Isn't this called 'method acting'?

Stanislavski
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislavski%27s_system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_acting

 

[King Boonen]

Surely he needs to go out and bully several other actors, destroy their businesses and generally be horrible to everyone who doesn't think he is a God if he really wants to do the whole "method" thing?

 

[blackcat]

Re:

Surely he needs to go out and bully several other actors, destroy their businesses and generally be horrible to everyone who doesn't think he is a God if he really wants to do the whole "method" thing?

which is why he needs to cold call April Macy, and book out the private rooms at Yellow Rose, no matter what Glenn says, and solicit some hookers and some of bogotas finest

 

[Ricksterh1]

I don't see anything wrong with that and the quote from Emma O'Riley has to be taken with a grain of salt. Firstly, he is an actor preparing for a role. Interesting that he did find a definite benefit to doping. As for Emma, she went along with the whole doping thing for quite a while before deciding it was wrong so she is not squeeky clean herself. I am sure her life was hell because of the fall out but she wasn't wholly without fault herself. Don't think she is quite seeing things from other than her tiny perspective but that is her perogative. I have no problem with an actor exploring a role, this is a non-story to me. A story that he tried doping - yes but the sour grapes and the way it is being spun is much ado about nothing.

 

[Cycleken]

True. I find it hard to sympathize 100% with Emma O'Reilly. You can't profit from something for even a little while, then get indignant about it later. If you felt it was morally wrong, you quit immediately. You don't continue to be involved in something you view as wrong because "you needed a job" or whatever. That's a cop out. Either you stick to your morals, or you were bought off....even if for a brief while.

in the case of an actor or anyone else doing drugs, it's irrelevant. If someone does something that has no victim other than themselves, it's none of anyone's business. The world has so many problems because people are all trying to impose their own values on others. In LA's case, there was a victim: the sponsors, the organizers and the three other riders in the peloton who were clean (sarcasm).

 

[jahn]

Re:

Surely he needs to go out and bully several other actors, destroy their businesses and generally be horrible to everyone who doesn't think he is a God if he really wants to do the whole "method" thing?

Major difference here...

An actor of all people doesn't need to be a bully to portray one, everyone has experienced that in some form or another.

Taking a strange chemical PED to look and feel the part is another matter, and the movie is better for it.

 

[visegripmikey]

Actors can go to any great lengths to get into character, within reason. He's not saying what he took or how much. Also, did he put in 1000 km/week? Motorpacing? Intervals? Rides at altitude?

Personally, I think mimicking the doping aspect to be the easiest part. 16 yr old teenagers take steroids. Taking meds is pretty pedestrian on the "look how hardcore an actor I am" front.

The rest of it, the business end of it - training, racing, winning a ton, making and breaking friends/cancer survivors/advertisers/fans/politicians losing tons of money, the fall... you can't just take that all from an injection.

The actor is completely deluded into thinking that taking some meds can bridge that gap. Such is the power of doping. Even an actor was frightened into a need to take drugs, in order to make himself believe he was committed to the role. That he was losing an edge if he didn't.

Sad.

 

[curbjumper#108]

I can understand how Ben Foster would be curious to experience what it's like to take epo, steroids, etc. Knowing he was using drugs actually makes me more interested in seeing the movie. Maybe that is why he made the announcement to get publicity?

There are a lot of negative consequences to his announcement though. The biggest problem is that other people, especially young people, could justify trying these dangerous drugs. Now Ben Foster will be karmically implicated for influencing innocent people.

Being supremely fit, winning races, becoming a millionaire must have been an incredible rush, that's why people like myself read/watch movies about Lance and sports stars, to subtly experience their lives.

 

[Tonton]

Re: Re:

Plenty of other actors use assistance to get into shape, normally anabolics to help adding muscle mass.

Difference is that he did drugs he doesn't want to name (lol) to know what's it like being Lance. Based on a quick skim of what Ben has to say he's doing a great job contributing to the public's misunderstanding of PEDs.

But yes, every time you see some film star being all ripped, he's done anabolics. Not that there's anything wrong with that. It's hilarious though when the clueless idiots starting doing the Batman training regime and wonder why it doesn't make them look like Christian Bale.

Well, it seems like he learnt the basics of Omerta : don't name names...

 

[the delgados]

Don't think that's illegal

While Ben Foster himself hasn't named the drug, most seem to think it was EPO.

What would he hope to gain from doing EPO? More likely did Coke because it's fun and decided to make up some **** to build intrigue about the film.

this.

imo, SeriousSam has it right,

Foster is the binary, or dichotomy to Lance's dope fueled career. Foster also lies, but then the dichotomy, or mirror half, is Foster lies about using drugs, when he is not doping.

I do doubt Foster bothered to take roids or Edgar to go all Stanislavsky method on us. He is lying about taking them, because the marketing and PR folks have got into him about crafting the elaborate and intriguing meta-narrative

Not that it really matters, but I don't doubt Foster's claims that he juiced up to play the role.
Several people did the same thing to write books that very few people read or wrote reports for magazines.
Why not Foster?
My take is he deliberately avoided naming the drug to prevent others from doing so. It was a blanket "don't do drugs's, kids" statement.