Bernard Kohl - "Not possible..."

[thehog]

never tested positive

“I was tested 200 times during my career, and 100 times I had drugs in my body,” he said. “I was caught, but 99 other times, I wasn’t. Riders think they can get away with doping because most of the time they do. Even if there is a new test for blood doping, I’m not even sure it will scare riders into stopping. The problem is just that bad.”

http://www.businessinsider.com/lance-armstrong-doping-tour-de-france-2010-10#ixzz11UWXC48L

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

Just highlights what anyone with two surviving brain cells has always known. One clean rider can't beat 188 doped riders, especially not in three weeks riding over 3000 km.

I thought the UCI-WADA-Keystone Cops analogy was particularly apropos.

 

[JPM London]

Of course we only have Kohl's own word that he was tested 200 times... and that he actually had stuff in his blood/urine half the time... and we don't know how many of those tests showed something suspicious.

I seem to remember a discussion about whether some other athlete was or wasn't "the most tested in the world"...

 

[Benotti69]

Kohl's comments are not illuminating for anyone who finished top 20 (if not top 30, 40 , 50 or who got to the end) of a GT, which i think is pretty much how i feel and i reckon most intelligent cycling fans read the sport.

 

[indurain666]

Just highlights what anyone with two surviving brain cells has always known. One clean rider can't beat 188 doped riders, especially not in three weeks riding over 3000 km.

I thought the UCI-WADA-Keystone Cops analogy was particularly apropos.

Yep, yet you still have all these idiots with zero racing experience on these forums arguing who is clean and who is not.

 

[rolfrae]

Thankfully for Kohl he was a vegetarian, otherwise he would have tested positive more often.

Kohl says that you can't win the Tour clean. That much is true given that this year you would have been up against Contador, Menchov, Schleck. However, if everyone was clean then somebody clean would win.

When asked in 2009 by a journalist: "Can you assure us that you've never taken any banned performance-enhancing products, nor used any banned methods, and can you take this opportunity to make a strong statement for clean cycling?"

Beefcake Contador replied: "I'm available 365 days a year, which is something I accept with good grace for the sport I love. I will continue to have this attitude."

 

[indurain666]

Kohl's comments are not illuminating for anyone who finished top 20 (if not top 30, 40 , 50 or who got to the end) of a GT, which i think is pretty much how i feel and i reckon most intelligent cycling fans read the sport.

It goes beyond that, anyone who has raced or race at elite amateur /semi pro or even elite junior level reads his comments and goes: "No **** Kohl ...duh..."

 

[Wallace]

It goes beyond that, anyone who has raced or race at elite amateur /semi pro or even elite junior level reads his comments and goes: "No **** Kohl ...duh..."

I agree that Kohl's point is obvious, but to you really think he should be ridiculed for saying something that no other professional cyclist is saying?

Basso, Millar, and other "reformed dopers" aren't saying anything remotely like that.

 

[JRTinMA]

I agree that Kohl's point is obvious, but to you really think he should be ridiculed for saying something that no other professional cyclist is saying?

Basso, Millar, and other "reformed dopers" aren't saying anything remotely like that.

I think he's the first doper to admit to 24/7/365 doping. From what i have read all the other got into a really dark place and only doped once and got caught. Oh, and they had their worst results while they were doped all their wins were clean.

 

[ruamruam]

I think he's the first doper to admit to 24/7/365 doping. From what i have read all the other got into a really dark place and only doped once and got caught. Oh, and they had their worst results while they were doped all their wins were clean.

Basso did not even get to that dark place. He was only thinking about doping. Luckily he was caught before he doped

 

[Guttercat]

Thankfully for Kohl he was a vegetarian, otherwise he would have tested positive more often.

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That right there was funny, and shouldn't go unnoticed.

 

[hfer07]

never tested positive stands for "never been caught"

 

[thehog]

If it wasn't for the pesky AFLD Kohl would be riding today on a big contract and passing dope tests like they were going out if fashion. If he was cheeky he'd even be posting his passport online as an example of a clean rider.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Cycling News chimes in. Full article here.

 

[Anonymous]

and discussed here with a less than obvious thread title
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=10472

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Thanks Dim, I merged the two threads.

 

[thehog]

Thanks Dim, I merged the two threads.

My title was much better

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

It was generic, and seemed to apply to Armstrong's oft-claim. It also doesn't align with the Cycling News article, and this is after all CyclingNews.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ca...qM5hixCNrrgLehf5Ax9UgmCNeBmSAdw?docId=4744483

I ******* hate dopers who say EVERYONE does it. Saying doping is widespread is one thing, but don't accuse hundereds of riders you know nothing about in an attempt to justify your own cheating, ********! It's infuriating!

Very disappointed in Torri as well. Acceptance of doping is not what we need.

 

[JRTinMA]

Basso did not even get to that dark place. He was only thinking about doping. Luckily he was caught before he doped

You have it all wrong, his dog was doping. It must have been a greyhound.

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

"Not possible to do Tour without drugs" is pretty much what Jacques Anquetil claimed about racing in the 50's and 60's. A half-century later it's still being stated.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

At this speed, he's right. It is impossible. You need to go back to when the peloton would ride along at 25mph, as opposed to 30; Or when Hinault and Lemond rode up Alpe d'Huez in 48 minutes, as opposed to the sub-40 norm of today.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

You have it all wrong, his dog was doping. It must have been a greyhound.

That's Valverde you're thinking of.

 

[Anonymous]

At this speed, he's right. It is impossible. You need to go back to when the peloton would ride along at 25mph, as opposed to 30; Or when Hinault and Lemond rode up Alpe d'Huez in 48 minutes, as opposed to the sub-40 norm of today.

weird, as this year's tour was won at just over 24 miles per hour...39.8 something for an average speed...just over 24 mph that for total of course...but what is your point?

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Sorry, I should have clarified. I didn't mean an average overall speed. I meant on flat stages, when the peloton is in cruise mode they used to go slower than they do now, that's all.