Best climbers in history?

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Who in your opinion is the best climber in history?

  • Marco Pantani

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Nov 10, 2009
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icefire said:
I'm wondering what he will think when he learns about riders in the past who used to attack in the feed areas :rolleyes:

Not to mention the "Chéri-pipi" episode in the Giro when Bobet attacked while Charly Gaul had stopped for a leak. (Bobet didn't take that pink jersey with him to heaven as Charly Gaul helped Gastone Nencini win that Giro.)

Back on topic :
Armstrong, Rasmussen, Heras and Pantani should not even be listed as we all know that their feats are artificial.

Pas d'EPOpée sans EPO chez Armstrong, Rasmussen, Heras et Pantani

PS : For Contador I am waiting for the verdict.
 
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Le breton said:
Not to mention the "Chéri-pipi" episode in the Giro when Bobet attacked while Charly Gaul had stopped for a leak. (Bobet didn't take that pink jersey with him to heaven as Charly Gaul helped Gastone Nencini win that Giro.)

Back on topic :
Armstrong, Rasmussen, Heras and Pantani should not even be listed as we all know that their feats are artificial.

Pas d'EPOpée sans EPO chez Armstrong, Rasmussen, Heras et Pantani

PS : For Contador I am waiting for the verdict.

lol so you do call heroine,morphine,strycnine,speed,steroids for horses all natural.if you don't appreciate their performances,make your own thread in the clinic sir.be my guest.

their feats are artificial lol.endure the pain they endured,then talk
 
Apr 14, 2011
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I think his point is that some drugs are more equal than others, and therefore it's impossible to know how guys who rode with 50-60% would have done without a certain product.

Still, I suppose you could equally ask if Gaul's signature epic rides would have been possible without his copious amphetamine intake - where do you draw the line?
 
Oct 1, 2010
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roundabout said:
The poll results make me sad. Long live the ignorance.

So cure us of our ignorance, roundabout. Who do you think is the best climber of all time? And why?

I don't agree with the results of the poll either. And there are names that should be added to it, IMO. I like this thread because although there is disagreement about what defines a top climber and who should or shouldn't be on the poll, for the most part the debate has not yet degenerated into a slanging match and has been reasoned and I've learned things about cycling history that I didn't know before.
 
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Le breton said:
Not to mention the "Chéri-pipi" episode in the Giro when Bobet attacked while Charly Gaul had stopped for a leak. (Bobet didn't take that pink jersey with him to heaven as Charly Gaul helped Gastone Nencini win that Giro.)

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To be fair to Bobet, he attacked because Gaul went to the front of the peleton and took his leak over his main rivals, causing them to seek shelter. This ****ed them off so much that Bobet and Nencini attacked. The legend has it that Gaul later caught Bobet and threatened to cut him up (before being a pro cyclist he was a butcher's apprentice).
 
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Moncoutie said:
My favourite attack of all time!
I remember that day. Just before the clip starts Millar was sitting calmly on Jiminez's wheel while he was bobbing away. It was almost as if Bob got bored of watching and decided to attack for a different view! The ease with which he dropped him was astounding then and still is now!
 
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AngusW said:
To be fair to Bobet, he attacked because Gaul went to the front of the peleton and took his leak over his main rivals, causing them to seek shelter. This ****ed them off so much that Bobet and Nencini attacked. The legend has it that Gaul later caught Bobet and threatened to cut him up (before being a pro cyclist he was a butcher's apprentice).
After Bobet had robbed him of the Giro his hatred for the man grew to massive proportions. He went up to him at the start of a mountain stage in the Tour and stated "You're ready, Monsieur Bobet? I'll give you a chance. I'll attack on the Luitel climb. I'll even tell you which hairpin. You want to win the Tour more than I do? Easy. I've told you what you need to know."

Gaul then proceeded to enact his stated plan and extracted 12 minutes out of the field & 15 from the leader.

His record on the Ventoux stood for 31 years. When one considers that he climbed it when the first section was cobbled & the rest poorly surfaced, and that science both legal & illegal had moved on massively, it is an incredible feat.

The other thing that is impressive about Gaul is the sheer number of passes he led over.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charly_Gaul#Mountains_crossed_alone
 
Apr 14, 2011
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The version I read is that Gaul made "an indecent gesture with his organ of virility" (Geminiami's words) as Bobet and Nencini were passing, and the French, with Italian assistance, were so fed up with him they put the hammer down. Then on the final mountain stage, Gaul waited for Nencini after the latter had punctured and helped him chase down Bobet on the final climb, giving the Giro to the Italian by 19 seconds/
 
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jencredible said:
Contador>Schleck>Purito>Scarponi, Anton, Rujano>Cadel, Samu, Nibali, Menchov, etc..

Give me an example of when Scarponi has out climbed Evans when Evans is not suffering from a cold/ Basso cracked him. Scarponi has only finished on the podium twice in a GT. Evans has 4 times ( i could count in 10 when in the Giro he also won the green jersey ). Scarponi has came to the forefront of modern racing late but so did Evans ( 27 ). Menchov can never smash Evans when they are both on good form. Rujano has never versed Cadel practically and the same happens with Igor Anton who is too inconsistent to string back to back wins at a GT. I would have Evans = with JROD, with i may concede ( Nibali and Anton, though Nibali grinds and Anton is inconsistent )

I know Evans is not up to some riders level but he's not hopeless. Classics he usually beats JROD in as well.
 
Jun 28, 2011
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jencredible said:
As a climber. No doubt Contador crushes Schleck in every other aspect of cycling

There is life outside of Grand Tours, I politely ask what the **** has Schleck won or done on the mountains outside the TdF? And compare that to Contador's record.

Contador has proven that he can beat Schleck on the short steep stuff. But no one has ever proven that they can consistently beat Contador on any uphill road.
 
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greenedge said:
Give me an example of when Scarponi has out climbed Evans when Evans is not suffering from a cold/ Basso cracked him. Scarponi has only finished on the podium twice in a GT. Evans has 4 times ( i could count in 10 when in the Giro he also won the green jersey ). Scarponi has came to the forefront of modern racing late but so did Evans ( 27 ). Menchov can never smash Evans when they are both on good form. Rujano has never versed Cadel practically and the same happens with Igor Anton who is too inconsistent to string back to back wins at a GT. I would have Evans = with JROD, with i may concede ( Nibali and Anton, though Nibali grinds and Anton is inconsistent )

I know Evans is not up to some riders level but he's not hopeless. Classics he usually beats JROD in as well.
Antón dropped Contador in 2010. When has Evans done that?

Antón is a pure climber in every sense of the word - he can drop pretty much everybody in the climbs when he's on form, but his TT and descending are both poor, and his form is evanescent, and consistency lacking. Evans is not a pure climber, this can be seen from his awkward technique and tendency to go too deep into the red chasing the pure climbers, and blow up and lose time. However, Evans is more consistent, more all-round, better at TTing, descending and a stronger, less fragile rider, and this is why he's a much better GC candidate than Antón.

However, an absolutely on fire, on form Antón would likely drop Evans. But Antón would also probably collapse and lose several unnecessary minutes on another day.

Or, for a more direct comparison:
Igor Antón's time on Monte Zoncolán (2011): 40'50".
Cadel Evans' time on Monte Zoncolán (2010): 42'04".

Who's the better climber? Antón. Who's the better rider, better all-rounder, bigger GC threat? Evans.

I'd consider Evans the bigger classics threat than Rodríguez, but the steeper the finish the more Rodríguez becomes a factor. On something like Huy they can be pretty much equal threats, but Evans has more experience there (a vital factor - remember Evans wiping the floor with everyone in '08 only to fade and let Kirchen take the win, a mistake he learnt from in 2010) which makes the difference. For too long Rodríguez was treated as a Plan B thanks to having Valverde as a teammate.
 
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Señor_Contador said:
Lance's "prime" is an opinion. That he got beat (beat up more like it) is a fact.

;)

Armstrong only got dropped by GC contenders once in his prime (1999-2005, fact, not opinion) and Contador got dropped this year at least once by the GC guys, and couldn't catch Andy when he made his move (if he had the legs he could have tried to chase him down on the final climb). When Armstrong attacked he took multiple minutes out of his competitors, he took 4 out of Pantani and the rest on Hautacam for example, won 3 straight mountain stages and 4 in one tour, Contador had to struggle to claw back 10 seconds in a stage against Schleck, Armstrong blew his opponents out of the water. Armstrong was 38 in 2009, if he was 6-10 years younger he would have destroyed Contador.
 
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jordan5000 said:
Armstrong only got dropped by GC contenders once in his prime (1999-2005, fact, not opinion) and Contador got dropped this year at least once by the GC guys, and couldn't catch Andy when he made his move (if he had the legs he could have tried to chase him down on the final climb). When Armstrong attacked he took multiple minutes out of his competitors, he took 4 out of Pantani and the rest on Hautacam for example, won 3 straight mountain stages and 4 in one tour, Contador had to struggle to claw back 10 seconds in a stage against Schleck, Armstrong blew his opponents out of the water. Armstrong was 38 in 2009, if he was 6-10 years younger he would have destroyed Contador.


Armstrong only did the Tour, Contador did the Giro this year. Besides at Contador's age Armstrong only won one Tour.

You can't compare the Armstrong era with Contado's. It's called doping.

Otherwise we might as well close this thread and crown Pantani king. In his heyday he climbed mountains faster than Armstrong, a lot faster. Just look at the record times, Armstrong doesn't come near.
 
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El Pistolero said:
Armstrong only did the Tour, Contador did the Giro this year. Besides at Contador's age Armstrong only won one Tour.

You can't compare the Armstrong era with Contado's. It's called doping.

Please, don't pull that. Lance never tested positive, Alberto already has.