Best rider per Country

[El Pistolero]

Amusing, you defend Valverde so much, yet you call Merckx not even in the top 5 of cyclists because he's dirty lol. Wow, so much hypocrisy.

And Boonen won 2 Vuelta stages in 2008. I'm clearly just comparing their last 2 seasons. It's really the only thing that matters. Just look at Cunego and Ballan nowadays...

It's not like Boonen won anything other than preparation races last season anyway. Oh wait, he did.

You can have one bad season, but 2 in a row? No.

What's the chance of testing positive for coke 3 times without taking it?

Some guys really can't stand that 2 year ban of El Imbatido huh

 

[Lanark]

This isn't about Gilbert, so I don't know why everyone keeps bringing that up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r43JIBQo56s&feature=related

When Valverde can climb like that tell me. Otherwise there really isn't any discussion possible.

Who's the better climber?
Who's the better time trial specialist?
Who's the better stage racer?
Who has the best recuperation?
Who is 2 years younger?
Who has the best palmares?

I never knew it was possible to overrate LBL, but you guys just did it.

If you want to compare the gaps between them than please do so.

The gap as a stage racer: Valverde can never win the Giro or the Tour. Simply not good enough.
The gap in the classics: I can see Contador winning LBL.

I'd rather be able to win all Grand Tours and LBL instead of just LBL and la Vuelta.

By the way:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2itSMsLvRo

Where's Valverde? Is he really behind someone who's there for his very first time? Lame.

I hope you're not referring to Contador, he rode the Fleche for his third time. Valverde won FW on his second attempt.

 

[El Pistolero]

I hope you're not referring to Contador, he rode the Fleche for his third time. Valverde won FW on his second attempt.

That was his first serious try. We all know that.

But FW is just a preparation race and Samu Sanchez was second in 2006 and that guy clearly sucks(guess who I'm impersonating)

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Contador will only race FW, if you think they'll have to eat crow if he'll win that than they might as well already start.

What has failing a test got to do with anything? Valverde doped, end of story. Gilbert? There's no reason to think for now, but feel free to believe he dopes, that's your own right.

Well, if he's only racing FW, then he isn't going to catch up with Valverde in the monuments then is he?

I never said Gilbert dopes or doped. You brought the doping into this by talking about Valverde being on the naughty step, I pointed out that Valverde never failed a test. Contador did, which kind of nullifies your reason to mention the doping in a Contador vs. Valverde argument. So it's a bit pointless to bring doping into the argument.

 

[El Pistolero]

Well, if he's only racing FW, then he isn't going to catch up with Valverde in the monuments then is he?

I never said Gilbert dopes or doped. You brought the doping into this by talking about Valverde being on the naughty step, I pointed out that Valverde never failed a test. Contador did, which kind of nullifies your reason to mention the doping in a Contador vs. Valverde argument. So it's a bit pointless to bring doping into the argument.

Not really because that was in defense of Gilbert. Why would I defend Contador?It's pretty clear that he blood doped. Gosh, I knew this before he tested positive for clen.

Unlike Valverde, Contador has bigger things to win. Riding LBL isn't a good preparation for the Giro d'Italia. A race he'd rather win for the second time than Luik for the first time.

There's 6 stages in the Giro that are tougher than LBL.

 

[c&cfan]

Amusing, you defend Valverde so much, yet you call Merckx not even in the top 5 of cyclists because he's dirty lol. Wow, so much hypocrisy.

And Boonen won 2 Vuelta stages in 2008. I'm clearly just comparing their last 2 seasons. It's really the only thing that matters. Just look at Cunego and Ballan nowadays...

It's not like Boonen won anything other than preparation races last season anyway. Oh wait, he did.

You can have one bad season, but 2 in a row? No.

What's the chance of testing positive for coke 3 times without knowing it?

Some guys really can't stand that 2 year ban of El Imbatido huh

i am not defending anyone. the ones that are calling contador "cheater" and then are praising the dirtiest ever are hypocrits. well, they are worse than that.

boonen had a bad 2010 because of canc and because he didnt do a gt. thats it. still he showed that he has a lot left in him. look, gilbert is almost the same age.. why looking just to the last 2 years and not 3 years? the answer? because you are a fanboy!lol

sorry!he isnt a champion! he is a 4th tier cyclist! he is overated because we miss the "just classics" riders like bettini rebellin etc. facts. some people cant stand it.. but that's life.

What's the chance of testing positive for coke 3 times without knowing it?! it is happining all the time! sometimes dogs dope. other times we use coke instead of sugar. its very commom indeed. i had a friend whose dog was addicted in meds. however he couldnt move after eating one box or rennie. he wasnt very smart..

 

[Lanark]

That was his first serious try. We all know that.

But FW is just a preparation race and Samu Sanchez was second in 2006 and that guy clearly sucks(guess who I'm impersonating)

Well, Valverde won both Fleche and LBL is his second attempt (and his first serious one, his results the year before were comparable to those of Contador in his previous participations), Contador has won neither in his third attempt. I really don't see why that jab against Valverde was necessary.

BTW. if anyone really impressed with his first participation in the classics last year it was Anton, who really hadn't raced there, and his results were comparable with Contador's.

 

[The Hitch]

Yes, Gesink is a second tier climber at the moment. Of course he's still young, so I don't know what progress he has or will make.

You just can't put Gesink in the same category as AS and AC. Hence he doens't belong in the same tier.

I wouldn't call Valverde a puncheur, those wins came from his climbing abilities. Gilbert can't be called a climber, Valverde can. Valverde can win FW, I don't see Gilbert winning it. Not a good enough climber. Mur de Huy is steep, too steep for Gilbert.

When I call someone a second tier sprinter, second tier climber and second tier TT specialist(though I don't know how good Valverde is in a TT) it's everything except an insult. Try and find someone else who fits that description, it doesn't exist. No one can climb and sprint at the same time except Valverde. It's unique. It would be as unique as Gilbert winning Flanders and LBL/GdL this year. Michele Bartoli is a living legend among Belgian cycling fans.

So what your saying is that because Valverde is a good climber, he therefore cant be a good puncheur.

Similarly if Gilbert was able to come 2nd to AC on Angiliru, even if his classics ability stayed the same, he would cease to be a first rate puncheur because the universe would collpase if someone who was a climber was a first tier puncheur.

Got it

 

[El Pistolero]

So what your saying is that because Valverde is a good climber, he therefore cant be a good puncheur.

Similarly if Gilbert was able to come 2nd to AC on Angiliru, even if his classics ability stayed the same, he would cease to be a first rate puncheur because the universe would collpase if someone who was a climber was a first tier puncheur.

Got it

If Gilbert came second on Angliru he would need to lose weight thus losing power on the flat and short hills.

Your abilities can't stay the same and otherwise if something is too good to be true, it's too good to be true.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

If Gilbert came second on Angliru he would need to lose weight thus losing power on the flat and short hills.

Your abilities can't stay the same and otherwise if something is too good to be true, it's too good to be true.

Like winning on Angliru and then outpowering the likes of Martin and Cancellara in TTs, you mean?

 

[El Pistolero]

Like winning on Angliru and then outpowering the likes of Martin and Cancellara in TTs, you mean?

And where did I say Contador was clean again? I'm not ACF you know. When Contador outpowers Cancellara in the World championship TT then there's something really fishy going on. Now he's just doing the same as the likes of the Schlecks. There is a difference between a time trial in the third week of a GT and a TT like the World championship you know. Cancellara has been beaten countless of times in time trials that take place in the third week of a GT.
It amazes me how everyone agrees with the likes of c&c lol.

We all knew Contador doped just look at his teams: Liberty seguros(Fuentes), Discovery(Johan), Astana(Johan). I can be a fan of a doper mind you, by looking at your name, you don't seem to have any problems with it as well. But it's always better if you can think that they're clean. I can think that of Gilbert.

 

[c&cfan]

So what your saying is that because Valverde is a good climber, he therefore cant be a good puncheur.

Similarly if Gilbert was able to come 2nd to AC on Angiliru, even if his classics ability stayed the same, he would cease to be a first rate puncheur because the universe would collpase if someone who was a climber was a first tier puncheur.

Got it

have you ever saw gilbert doing something like a first tier puncheur does (valverde 1st tour stage 2008)?

 

[c&cfan]

And where did I say Contador was clean again? I'm not ACF you know. When Contador outpowers Cancellara in the World championship TT then there's something really fishy going on. Now he's just doing the same as the likes of the Schlecks. There is a difference between a time trial in the third week of a GT and a TT like the World championship you know. Cancellara has been beaten countless of times in time trials that take place in the third week of a GT.
It amazes me how everyone agrees with the likes of c&c lol.

We all knew Contador doped just look at his teams: Liberty seguros, Discovery, Astana.

i lost all the respect that i once (pun) had for you. RACIST!

 

[El Pistolero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3A7_kG2_3U

 

[Echoes]

Spain -> Egoitz Murgoitio
Italy -> Enrico Franzoi
Portugal -> Tiago
France -> Arnaud Jouffroy
Netherlands -> Niki Terpstra (or Lars van der Haar OK )
Switzerland -> Christian Heule
Belgium -> Kevin Pauwels (I'll pick Gilbert over Boonen, Contador and ValvPiti any day !)
Germany -> Philip Walsleben
Sweden-> Thomas Löfkvist
UK ---------> Ian Field (Massive failure, anyone voting for Cav, which means anyone who voted)
Russia -> Menchov by default
USA -> Jonathan Page (Massive failure, anyone voting for Farrar, which means anyone who voted)
Slovakia-> Sagan (come back to cross, Pete ! )
New Zeland-> Sergent
Australia-> Wes Sulzberger
Norway-> EBH
Denmark -> Matti Breschel
Ireland -> Roche
Kazakhstan -> Iglinskiy (Vino? Veritas?)
Canada -> Craig Richey
Czech Republic-> Stybar of course.


OK it was rather your favourite per country and very high on cyclocross.


Edit: And of course, in Luxemburg, Jempi Drucker is better than Andy, Fränk and Kim combined !

 

[c&cfan]

And where did I say Contador was clean again? I'm not ACF you know. RIGHT. When Contador outpowers Cancellara in the World championship TT then there's something really fishy going on. Now he's just doing the same as the likes of the Schlecks. There is a difference between a time trial in the third week of a GT and a TT like the World championship you know. Cancellara has been beaten countless of times in time trials that take place in the third week of a GT. TOTALLY RIGHT.
It amazes me how everyone agrees with the likes of c&c lol. I AM HANDSOME.

We all knew Contador doped just look at his teams: Liberty seguros, Discovery, Astana. I can be a fan of a doper mind you, by looking at your name, you don't seem to have any problems with it as well. But it's always better if you can think that they're clean. I can think that of Gilbert. THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM. YOU CANT LOL

talking about riders like valverde contador and boonen and then talking about 4th tier riders like gilbert is like making orange juice with bananas. nonsense.

 

[El Pistolero]

have you ever saw gilbert doing something like a first tier puncheur does (valverde 1st tour stage 2008)?

Yeah, first stage of the 2011 Tour de France

 

[Moondance]

i lost all the respect that i once (pun) had for you. RACIST!

Ummm..... Calling him a racist is a bit harsh, don't you think?





On a related note I imagine this thread will get shut down (or seriously culled) when a mod catches wind of where this discussion has headed. Shame.

 

[El Pistolero]

Not really, just a discussion about who's the best of one's country.

In my opinion picking Valverde for Spain is the same as picking Frank Schleck for Luxembourg

 

[c&cfan]

Yeah, first stage of the 2011 Tour de France

that video is really good. i like gilbert.. but i guess that you need to see the video of the 2008 tour again. the difference is huge!!! and gilbert was there.

and that post just says everything about gilbert. and you.

you are a fan. a true fan. i respect that. he is the most spectacular cyclist out there. good choice

 

[El Pistolero]

Spain -> Egoitz Murgoitio
Italy -> Enrico Franzoi
Portugal -> Tiago
France -> Arnaud Jouffroy
Netherlands -> Niki Terpstra (or Lars van der Haar OK )
Switzerland -> Christian Heule
Belgium -> Kevin Pauwels (I'll pick Gilbert over Boonen, Contador and ValvPiti any day !)
Germany -> Philip Walsleben
Sweden-> Thomas Löfkvist
UK ---------> Ian Field (Massive failure, anyone voting for Cav, which means anyone who voted)
Russia -> Menchov by default
USA -> Jonathan Page (Massive failure, anyone voting for Farrar, which means anyone who voted)
Slovakia-> Sagan (come back to cross, Pete ! )
New Zeland-> Sergent
Australia-> Wes Sulzberger
Norway-> EBH
Denmark -> Matti Breschel
Ireland -> Roche
Kazakhstan -> Iglinskiy (Vino? Veritas?)
Canada -> Craig Richey
Czech Republic-> Stybar of course.


OK it was rather your favourite per country and very high on cyclocross.

Should've picked Sven Nys for Belgium

Pauwels was amazing this season though, but I'm still a Niels fan

 

[El Pistolero]

that video is really good. i like gilbert.. but i guess that you need to see the video of the 2008 tour again. the difference is huge!!! and gilbert was there.

and that post just says everything about gilbert. and you.

you are a fan. a true fan. i respect that. he is the most spectacular cyclist out there. good choice

In 2008 Valverde was obviously better. But we're 3 years later now.

Valverde will always be the better overall cyclist since he can win stage races and GTs. But Gilbert can certainly rival Valverde in the classics these days

 

[c&cfan]

Ummm..... Calling him a racist is a bit harsh, don't you think?


On a related note I imagine this thread will get shut down (or seriously culled) when a mod catches wind of where this discussion has headed. Shame.

he was discriminating people based on steryotipes and racist ideas! lol

 

[c&cfan]

In 2008 Valverde was obviously better. But we're 3 years later now.

Valverde will always be the better overall cyclist since he can win stage races and GTs. But Gilbert can certainly rival Valverde in the classics these days

since valverde can only focus in one monument because he has other (much bigger) goals, that's just normal. still, valverde has a much better palmares in the monument that makes gilbert wanna kill for it.

but like i said, gilbert is the most entertainer. and even if he does not have the talent of valverde, i believe that he is tougher. like i said, i am also gilbert's fan. but i know who is better and why.

 

[El Pistolero]

since valverde can only focus in one monument because he has other (much bigger) goals, that's just normal. still, valverde has a much better palmares in the monument that makes gilbert wanna kill for it.

but like i said, gilbert is the most entertainer. and even if he does not have the talent of valverde, i believe that he is tougher. like i said, i am also gilbert's fan. but i know who is better and why.

I wouldn't say he's better in the classics these days. It's not like he dropped Gilbert at LBL last year or 2 years ago. It's not like he outperformed him at MSR, Ronde van Vlaanderen, Paris-Tours, Amstel Gold Race, Fleche Wallone or Giro di Lombardia.

It's not like Valverde had more race days, on the contrary.