Better TT : Ullrich vs. Contador ?

[marcantony]

Who do you think would win a TT battle : Ullrich or Contador? Let's say two different courses : a 50k flat and a mountain one - Alpe D'huez for example.
My predictions :
Flat
1.Ullrich
2.Contador +40 sec

Mountain
1.Ullrich
2.Contador +15 sec
Although i must say that in a GC battle Conti will win with 3-4 minutes gap in final classification. Your predictions?

 

[Publicus]

Who do you think would win a TT battle : Ullrich or Contador? Let's say two different courses : a 50k flat and a mountain one - Alpe D'huez for example.
My predictions :
Flat
1.Ullrich
2.Contador +40 sec

Mountain
1.Ullrich
2.Contador +15 sec
Although i must say that in a GC battle Conti will win with 3-4 minutes gap in final classification. Your predictions?

You think Ullrich would beat Contador by 15 seconds on a TT up Alpe D'Huez????

 

[ak-zaaf]

I'd say Contador would win both since Ullrich is not a professional cyclist anymore.

 

[marcantony]

i just give more credit to the diesel than kick

 

[flicker]

Ullrich would win both of course. Because I like him. I like Contador also so I would be happy to see him win also.

 

[Andrichuk]

If AC can some how beat Cancellara then for sure he can beat Ullrich, especially in a uphill TT.

 

[franciep10]

I think he would be close to ullrich on a flat tt but would probably crush him in the mountain tt

 

[ingsve]

Who do you think would win a TT battle : Ullrich or Contador?

I have no idea. I don't know that anyone knows how good Ullrich would be without Fuentes.

 

[Cerberus]

I have no idea. I don't know that anyone knows how good Ullrich would be without Fuentes.

You aren't seriously suggesting that they should race without their medical programs? Why don't you just ask them to race without wheels.

 

[hammt34]

Are you kidding!!!!!! Contador would murder Ullrich In the mountain TT and Remember the fact that ullrich couldnt hang with lance u r suggesting that AC wouldnt be able to hang with LA back in the day pffft

 

[issoisso]

You are seriously suggesting that either would be close?

Each would win one. And neither would even begin to be close.

 

[Faserr]

I think issoisso is right

 

[auscyclefan94]

You think Ullrich would beat Contador by 15 seconds on a TT up Alpe D'Huez????

+1

Ulle by 1 minute 30 to 2minutes over Contador On Alpe D Huez!

 

[ingsve]

You aren't seriously suggesting that they should race without their medical programs? Why don't you just ask them to race without wheels.

In that case we need to specify what time of year to do the race as well. If they do it in the winter then Ullrich would need a reinforced bike to handle his extra weight.

 

[altark123]

Depends on what part of their careers you're comparing..

remember how not long ago, Contador was not a great TT rider, he almost lost yellow to Levi on the final TT.

 

[Publicus]

remember how not long ago, Contador was not a great TT rider, he almost lost yellow to Levi on the final TT.

Yeah. He was only a good TT'er at that point. But times have changed.

 

[Polish]

Jan would win
Jan has the six fastest time up Alpe d'huez in TdF history - 38m23s

Jan DID win...he put 6 minutes into Alberto when they both TT'd
against one another....2005 stage 20:

1 Lance Armstrong (USA) Discovery Channel 1.11.46 (46.4 km/h)
2 Jan Ullrich (Ger) T-Mobile Team 0.23
3 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) T-Mobile Team 1.16
4 Bobby Julich (USA) Team CSC 1.33
5 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team CSC 1.54
6 Floyd Landis (USA) Phonak Hearing Systems 2.02
7 Cadel Evans (Aus) Davitamon-Lotto 2.06
8 George Hincapie (USA) Discovery Channel 2.25
9 Francisco Mancebo (Spa) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne 2.51
10 Vladimir Karpets (Rus) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne 3.05
11 Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) Discovery Channel 3.09
12 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC 3.10
13 Christophe Moreau (Fra) Credit Agricole 3.11
14 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Gerolsteiner 3.13
15 Oscar Pereiro Sio (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems 3.25
16 Sebastian Lang (Ger) Gerolsteiner 3.26
17 Luke Roberts (Aus) Team CSC 3.47
18 Dario Cioni (Ita) Liquigas-Bianchi 3.51
19 Jörg Jaksche (Ger) Liberty Seguros-Würth
20 Fabian Cancellara (Swi) Fassa Bortolo 4.03
21 Andrei Kashechkin (Kaz) Credit Agricole 4.24
22 Laszlo Bodrogi (Hun) Credit Agricole 4.37
23 Thomas Lövkvist (Swe) Française Des Jeux 4.41
24 Giuseppe Guerini (Ita) T-Mobile Team 4.45
25 Chris Horner (USA) Saunier Duval-Prodir
26 Bert Grabsch (Ger) Phonak Hearing Systems 4.55
27 Marcos Serrano (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth 4.58
28 Andrei Grivko (Ukr) Domina Vacanze 5.03
29 Joost Posthuma (Ned) Rabobank 5.13
30 Michael Rogers (Aus) Quick.Step 5.18
31 Jose Luis Rubiera (Spa) Discovery Channel 5.24
32 Stefano Garzelli (Ita) Liquigas-Bianchi 5.26
33 Daniele Nardello (Ita) T-Mobile Team 5.37
34 Tobias Steinhauser (Ger) T-Mobile Team 5.40
35 Pierrick Fédrigo (Fra) Bouygues Telecom 5.48
36 Laurent Lefèvre (Fra) Bouygues Telecom 5.52
37 Axel Merckx (Bel) Davitamon-Lotto 5.53
38 Pavel Padrnos (Cze) Discovery Channel
39 Eddy Mazzoleni (Ita) Lampre-Caffita
40 Bradley McGee (Aus) Française Des Jeux
41 Luis León Sanchez (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth 5.56
42 Ronny Scholz (Ger) Gerolsteiner 5.57
43 Laurent Brochard (Fra) Bouygues Telecom 5.59
44 Georg Totschnig (Aut) Gerolsteiner 6.00
45 Rubens Bertogliati (Swi) Saunier Duval-Prodir 6.02
46 Johan Vansummeren (Bel) Davitamon-Lotto 6.08
47 Maxim Iglinski (Kaz) Domina Vacanze 6.11
48 Alberto Contador (Spa) Liberty Seguros-Würth 6.12

 

[pedaling squares]

Ullrich would win both of course. Because I like him.

Let's be honest, Flicker has listed the true measuring stick of how to compare two cyclists - personal preference. So for me, Ulle wins. After a rest/refill day of course!

 

[Inner Peace]

Ullrich wins the 50k flat by at least 2 minutes.

Contador only just wins the Alpe, by less than 30 seconds.

This assumes both are in their peak for a Tour de France and are both equal on GC. Neither is wearing yellow becoz that might bias the results.

Interesting that AC loses 6 minutes in 2005.... Sounds familiar

 

[Publicus]

Well we will have more information to continue this debate in June. I believe the Dauphine covers Alpe d'Huez this year, so we'll see if AC can't beat Jan's mark.

 

[karlboss]

Well we will have more information to continue this debate in June. I believe the Dauphine covers Alpe d'Huez this year, so we'll see if AC can't beat Jan's mark.

not going to happen, he'll be waiting for valverde again, and only ride a pace valverde can hold. This will ensure a loaded caisse comes to his rescue in the unlikely event it is needed come july.

 

[Polish]

Seriously guys - and no offense to AC - but Alberto will never be
as great of a TT'er as Jan.

Jan was National TT Champ at 22years old...
Jan won the World's TT Championship twice....

Remember the 1996 TdF when a 23 year old Jan, in his first TdF,
crushed Big Mig in the final ITT....

Stage 20, Bordeaux - St-Emilion, 63.5km
1. Jan Ullrich (Ger) Telekom 1.15.31
2. Miguel Indurain (Spa) Banesto 0.56
3. Abraham Olano (Spa) Mapei 2.06
4. Bjarne Riis (Den) Telekom 2:18
5. Laurent Dufaux (Swi) Festina 2:19
6. Chris Boardman (Gbr) GAN 2:29
7. Richard Virenque (Fra) Festina 2:30
8. Tony Rominger (Swi) Mapei 2:47
9. Yevgeny Berzin (Rus) Gewiss 2:56
10. Laurent Brochard (Fra) Festina 2:57

Jan was a MONSTER on the TT bike yikes.

 

[luckyboy]

And the St Etienne TT in 97 where he won by more than 3 minutes over Virenque in 2nd.

 

[karlboss]

In shape Jan would beat anyone in a TT. Up a hill he'd also be very close, problem was he was never really at his best

 

[Willy_Voet]

That's a triple trick question and belongs in the other forum.