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I never said I wished for him to die. Where did I say that? Oh, right, I’m saying it right here, aren’t I? Many will say he is likely to take a dirt nap prematurely simply due to his FAT AZZ. That is a good thing because then I do not have to listen or read where someone takes his Hollywood drivel as some type of facts.
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Fixed that for you. I think most people would say that if you think someone’s premature death would be a good thing, you are expressing your hope that that person will die. But maybe you are one of those people who fervently hope that what you consider to be good things don’t happen?

I am not sure if you were aware of this or not but the country of Israel has a organization known as the HaMossad leModi'in uleTafkidim Meyuchadim. Those sneaky folks went down to South America and exacted some justice of their own in regards to all those Nazis you refer to getting the fair trials.
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Ah, so even after the war ended, we can still kill them? That seems problematic for the argument against Moore, as expressed by Chris E, Mark vW, and gobuck, e.g.. Or maybe the war against Nazism is still going on? After all, there are new Nazis being created every day, the movement has not died out.

But in that case, why did we put on trial any of them? It seems that whether a war ends or not has nothing to do with whether we try someone or kill them. IOW, your argument against Moore is not that the war against terrorism has not ended, but that we can kill people any time we like, regardless of how the war against them is faring. Glad to see that clarified.

If you really want to get into it about things like that then what about the Canadian national the Mossad killed in Belgium. What was he working on ????? the Iraqi Supergun.
More recently they killed the Hamas military commander in a Dubai UAE hotel.
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Yes, the Israelis are known for taking the attitude of “whatever it takes”, rather than the protracted messy process of trying to work through international laws and conventions. Which may help explain why, when their enemies show an equal disregard for international laws and conventions, the Israelis don’t get as much sympathy from the rest of the world as they think they should.
 
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The Nazis were tried after the war but shot during the war. I think we are still at war with the "terrorists".
Do them a favor and help them get their 72 virgins as quickly as possible.
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We still have that "War on Drugs" going too, make things a lot simpler if we just shot all suspected drug dealers on sight.
 
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We still have that "War on Drugs" going too, make things a lot simpler if we just shot all suspected drug dealers on sight.
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Word.

Those Mexican drug cartel thugs are just misunderstood. A trial with a real hard-nosed judge will probably take care of the issue.
 
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That argument would hold weight if trials were only held in cases where some kind of closure was anticipated. But obviously that is not the case. We put drug dealers and mafia bosses on trial, knowing full well that there will be more drug dealing and organized crime. In fact, I can't think of a single type of domestic crime that is prevented for all time by putting perps of it on trial. Would it be better just to pick them off with snipers in the streets?

Of course there would be downsides to putting someone like bin Laden on trial. The idea is that trials are such a vital part of our system that we put up with the downsides. We often put up with similar downsides with domestic crimes. Think of the witnesses that get murdered before or during a gangster's trial, deaths that could be prevented if we just killed the gangster. Or the riots that may occur during a trial with racial overtones. Little question that elite government assassination squads could prevent a lot of this collateral damage.
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I'm not arguing we should not have trials, or that rights of the accused shouldn't be respected. I thought I made that clear upthread. Bin Laden was not an American citizen, either. Big difference, especially considering the circumstances, than grabbing Guido off the streets of NY for shaking down the pizza parlor owner.

I am pointing out that in this situation it is very doubtful that any deterrent would evolve from doing that when you are dealing with religious nutjobs. And, I used examples of what could possibly happen if we put somebody like him on trial in public. So, I understand that argument and I was just pointing that out. I really don't have a rebuttal to that argument other than what I have posted about the BoR for American citizens. It is a farked up situation because of what we are dealing with here, which are not gangsters and drug dealers, or nations.

Should we say screw the BoR as Scott said upthread, and I argued against, for American citizens? I don't think so, but that doesn't mean I can't see the big picture instead of being blinded by my idealism. There is no easy answer here.

The examples you use are a red herring; there is not a religious movement called "gangsterism" or "drugism", where little or no reasoning and deterrant obtained in the justice system can put a dent into it. Do you see drug dealers driving planes into buildings? Blowing themselves up? I don't but maybe you live in a different part of town. All I am saying is think about these things and have some reflection.

Besides, drug use is a choice and I am firmly in the corner of legalizing recreational drugs so the analogy you use holds even less water than it should because of how I feel about that. Legalizing that would solve alot of problems in that "war", which is nothing but an arbitrary line drawn by politicians on what type of drugs we can take on our own free will, and which ones we can't.
 
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I'm not arguing we should not have trials, or that rights of the accused shouldn't be respected. I thought I made that clear upthread. Bin Laden was not an American citizen, either. Big difference, especially considering the circumstances, than grabbing Guido off the streets of NY for shaking down the pizza parlor owner.

I am pointing out that in this situation it is very doubtful that any deterrent would evolve from doing that when you are dealing with religious nutjobs. And, I used examples of what could possibly happen if we put somebody like him on trial in public. So, I understand that argument and I was just pointing that out. I really don't have a rebuttal to that argument other than what I have posted about the BoR for American citizens. It is a farked up situation because of what we are dealing with here, which are not gangsters and drug dealers, or nations.

Should we say screw the BoR as Scott said upthread, and I argued against, for American citizens? I don't think so, but that doesn't mean I can't see the big picture instead of being blinded by my idealism. There is no easy answer here.

The examples you use are a red herring; there is not a religious movement called "gangsterism" or "drugism", where little or no reasoning and deterrant obtained in the justice system can put a dent into it. Do you see drug dealers driving planes into buildings? Blowing themselves up? I don't but maybe you live in a different part of town. All I am saying is think about these things and have some reflection.

Besides, drug use is a choice and I am firmly in the corner of legalizing recreational drugs so the analogy you use holds even less water than it should because of how I feel about that. Legalizing that would solve alot of problems in that "war", which is nothing but an arbitrary line drawn by politicians on what type of drugs we can take on our own free will, and which ones we can't.
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Easy Chris......TEH MURX WINDEX cam lobbing in to make some BROAD accusations. Let him live in the Bin LADEN world and the General POWLITICS world as IF IT IS THE CLINIC. FUNNNY how that is not the same.
 
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Easy Chris......TEH MURX WINDEX cam lobbing in to make some BROAD accusations. Let him live in the Bin LADEN world and the General POWLITICS world as IF IT IS THE CLINIC. FUNNNY how that is not the same.
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Whut? The important question here is what would enhance our standing in the World Community more, reacting on the same level, or acting like a law abiding member of that World Community. We take him out either way but....
 
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Whut? The important question here is what would enhance our standing in the World Community more, reacting on the same level, or acting like a law abiding member of that World Community. We take him out either way but....
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Honestly J I don't gava about the World Community. I have enough trouble trying to keep these oil slave ......LA fanboys off my turf. You can take it up with someone else.

I am SO happy that Piece of **** is Dead,,,,, OSAMA been ****en.

Oh and I guess from all the labels directed at me.... that means the Fat A$$ Moore as well. I hope his heart blows a valve or two soon. Bye Bye Fat Boy. :eek:
 
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Honestly J I don't gava about the World Community. I have enough trouble trying to keep these oil slave ......LA fanboys off my turf. You can take it up with someone else.

I am SO happy that Piece of **** is Dead,,,,, OSAMA been ****en.

Oh and I guess from all the labels directed at me.... that means the Fat A$$ Moore as well. I hope his heart blows a valve or two soon. Bye Bye Fat Boy. :eek:
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My guess you never saw it..afraid to buy a ticket..Cheney might be watching?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361596/
 
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Doubt it. Plenty of Republicans out celebrating.

Sometimes I wonder if anything America did in regards to Bin Laden would be viewed as acceptable. We could have captured him alive, wisked him off to a luxurious custom built compound in New Mexico, with a Starbucks and a swimming pool and the weasels would still criticize us for being inhumane.
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I know many Democrats who are celebrating as well. Obama said make it happen and it did.
 
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Someone was so worried about F911 that they had to make a debunking MOVIE.. and you were its target audience..

Here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdiCJUysIT0
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It is my opinion your on Meth, especially the way you twitch post. :( "YOUR" at the Whisky Tango Village at this moment posting using your Mom's 4G card. :rolleyes:

You should check out the majority opinion on those comments with your vid...More proof your doing Meth.
 
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It is my opinion your on Meth, especially the way you twitch post. :( "YOUR" at the Whisky Tango Village at this moment posting using your Mom's 4G card. :rolleyes:

You should check out the majority opinion on those comments with your vid...More proof your doing Meth.
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I never go to Grand Prairie for anything..much less TV.. meth is for TT always has been..
 
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I never go to Grand Prairie for anything..much less TV.. meth is for TT always has been..
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you like the way I let you have those "your" s.???? LMAO you do not even know what Whisky Tango Village means. Meth head....errrrrr in my opinion...just like "Your"z of everyone else...who you label an alcoholic.
 
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I am closing this thread temporarily while I do some pruning.

Just a note for when it is reopened - please try to stay on topic and avoid personal attacks
 
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Ran across a bin Laden funeral pic today:

farewellsweetprince.jpg
 
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