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JeffreyPerry said:
How shall I answer this? How about as many as it takes.
100? 1000? Women? Children? Level an entire country? Seriously, how many?
Do you think that if captured any of us here would be treated any differently?
Nope. Which is what sets us apart - things like due process, respect for human rights, a legal system that assumes innocence, etc. Without that stuff, we're no better.
 
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VeloCity said:
I'll assume then that you won't have a problem when the Iraqis start demanding that the US hand over American soldiers to be held responsible for their actions against innocent civilians in Iraq.

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May 23, 2010
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Scott SoCal said:
You mean the 50+ million that were liberated?

Most of your kind wanted to Nuke them,, So don't talk like liberating them was ever something you were interested in. They will all be our arch enemies again sooner than later when Tel Aviv wants YOU to think that way.
 
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redtreviso said:
Most of your kind wanted to Nuke them,, So don't talk like liberating them was ever something you were interested in. They will all be our arch enemies again sooner than later when Tel Aviv wants YOU to think that way.

Damn.... didn't hit the edit button quite fast enough.

Yes, you being the voice of reason and all (the freakest of freaks). Talk about actual occurances and not the fantasy going on in your own mind.

Put the bong down and join the world man. It's not too late.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Damn.... didn't hit the edit button quite fast enough.

Yes, you being the voice of reason and all (the freakest of freaks). Talk about actual occurances and not the fantasy going on in your own mind.

Put the bong down and join the world man. It's not too late.

Did you read the post about the persecuted conservative school teacher in the Houston Chronical? Call Bill O"Reilly ASAP
 
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redtreviso said:
Most of your kind wanted to Nuke them,, So don't talk like liberating them was ever something you were interested in. They will all be our arch enemies again sooner than later when Tel Aviv wants YOU to think that way.

And to think you had the balls to call me a goosestepper.

Some things are always true with your kind.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
And to think you had the balls to call me a goosestepper.

Some things are always true with your kind.

You know Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann will demand your support of Tel Aviv when they feel threatened by Iraq again. All the better to urge the return of Jesus.. you know.. Oh and Guess what? The Israelis aren't that into the return of Jesus thing..
 
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redtreviso said:
Did you read the post about the persecuted conservative school teacher in the Houston Chronical? Call Bill O"Reilly ASAP

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ADHD has a treatment protocol. Perhaps you should look into it.
 
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redtreviso said:
You know Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann will demand your support of Tel Aviv when they feel threatened by Iraq again. All the better to urge the return of Jesus.. you know.. Oh and Guess what? The Israelis aren't that into the return of Jesus thing..



Why bring Israel into this?? Antisemtic much?
 
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Scott SoCal said:
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ADHD has a treatment protocol. Perhaps you should look into it.

Just multitask a little scotty.. what's wrong you use a mac or something?
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Why bring Israel into this?? Antisemtic much?

No.. but once Iraq throws us out, as they surely eventually will they will once again be the enemy of Israel...and of course your enemy because you support the religious crackpots that want holy war in the middle east to precipitate a second coming..I'm just telling you about your future marching orders..(stepping orders)
 
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redtreviso said:
Just multitask a little scotty.. what's wrong you use a mac or something?

Here. This might help. Never let it be said I don't care;

Signs and symptoms of adult ADD / ADHD

“zoning out” without realizing it, even in the middle of a conversation.

extreme distractibility; wandering attention makes it hard to stay on track.

difficulty paying attention or focusing, such as when reading or listening to others.

struggling to complete tasks, even ones that seem simple.

tendency to overlook details, leading to errors or incomplete work.

poor listening skills; hard time remembering conversations and following directions.


THEN THERE'S THIS

Many adults with ADD/ADHD have a hard time managing their feelings, especially when it comes to emotions like anger or frustration. Common emotional symptoms of adult ADD/ADHD include:

sense of underachievement
doesn’t deal well with frustration
easily flustered and stressed out
irritability or mood swings
trouble staying motivated
hypersensitivity to criticism
short, often explosive, temper
low self-esteem and sense of insecurity

I'm no doctor, but Klink, this is you.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Here. This might help. Never let it be said I don't care;

Signs and symptoms of adult ADD / ADHD

“zoning out” without realizing it, even in the middle of a conversation.

extreme distractibility; wandering attention makes it hard to stay on track.

difficulty paying attention or focusing, such as when reading or listening to others.

struggling to complete tasks, even ones that seem simple.

tendency to overlook details, leading to errors or incomplete work.

poor listening skills; hard time remembering conversations and following directions.


THEN THERE'S THIS

Many adults with ADD/ADHD have a hard time managing their feelings, especially when it comes to emotions like anger or frustration. Common emotional symptoms of adult ADD/ADHD include:

sense of underachievement
doesn’t deal well with frustration
easily flustered and stressed out
irritability or mood swings
trouble staying motivated
hypersensitivity to criticism
short, often explosive, temper
low self-esteem and sense of insecurity

I'm no doctor, but Klink, this is you.

Next maybe you should look up ..
Grandiose opinion of self worth.
Unique and exclusive experiences in life..
Demanding approval and admiration of others.
Crazy Makers
 
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redtreviso said:
Next maybe you should look up ..
Grandiose opinion of self worth.
Unique and exclusive experiences in life..
Demanding approval and admiration of others.
Crazy Makers

I'll find your picture there then? Not sure I want to look....
 
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I am deleting my way back up the thread at the moment but just wanted to stop and say:

Get back on the topic or leave the thread.

(this includes you: ScottSoCal and redtreviso)
 
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"Bin Laden: Goal is to bankrupt U.S." - Will GOP Succeed Where Bin Ladin Failed?

"The Republicans could easily address the budget deficit in the context of budget negotiations by agreeing to some tax increases, including letting the tax increases to the rich expire. Instead, in order to push their ideological war to end Medicaid and Medicare, they are holding the debt ceiling vote ranson, and threatening to push the U.S. into default. Yet, the media praises Republicans for being "bold" on debt reduction. There simply is nothing bold about attacking the poor and vulnerable. Republicans under Bush went along Bin Ladin's strategy by waging two wars while passing huge tax cuts AND an unfunded Medicare presciption plan creating an unfunded liability. By failing to fund the plan, they set the stage for arguments to kill Medicare. Sadly, if successful, Republicans will succeed where Bin Ladin failed by pushing the U.S. into insolvency and default on its financial obligations."
 
Martin318is said:
I am deleting my way back up the thread at the moment but just wanted to stop and say:

Get back on the topic or leave the thread.

(this includes you: ScottSoCal and redtreviso)

I don't see how you can say that was all off topic, it indeed is a cross section of what is wrong in the middle east. Massive land grab followed by years and years of strife. Yes there are other big problems that have nothing to do with this, but we would be a whole lot better off if we would have given them Texas.
 
Scott SoCal said:
Why bring Israel into this?? Antisemtic much?


This is obviously a stupid, instrumental and I would hope rhetorical point, which only serves to reinforce why the West, and particularly Israel and America, will never be viewed well in the urban squares, among the tea and water pipe caffès, of the Middle East. And no war to "bring democracy", or however one wants to call it, can win them over; whereas to resolve what has become a global crisis they must be "won over" and convinced otherwise. The real problem is that we have given them every reason to remain unconvinced and, worse, their mortal enemies. We have tried to work through their anti-democratic and corrupt leaders, while unconditionally supporting Israel even when it has broken international law, because we believed that oppression and leaving the Arabs poor and ignorant was the answer. Obviously this has never been the answer, while the West's only real concern has always exclusively been the business of oil, and thus at the human level in the region it has absolutely reaped what it has sown.

One of the reasons why jihad and hence Osama exists/ed, is because of the Palestinian debacle. Unfortunately things have become too radicalized to have any hope for a more just, if not to say completely just, solution now that establishes an independent Palestinian state, which includes all the illegally confiscated terrain since the war of 67 recreating the original UN stipulations of 48.

It is a question of legality and prepotency, for which the Arabs are not the ones to be found at fault at the inception of a regional drama, which sadly has come to place the entire world under continued threat of war or criminal acts of violent and lethal terrorism.

One has every right, consequently, to call Israel into the question, not in terms of its right to exist, but regarding its share in the responsibilty of never having allowed the same right to existence of a sovereign Palestine. To label this as "antisemitic", however, is pure propaganda, which only violates a principle of legality and justice toward the Arabs of Palestine that is based upon a rather confused take on the issues. But this is what happens when all the economic, ideological and even patriotic considerations take over the minds of those who must tow a line at all costs.

Granted it was perhaps never possible to have formed two independent and sovereign states between Jews and Muslims in Palestine, with both having an equal share in Jerusalem the capital. However, the complete mishandling of the delicate situation from the beginning that saw the strong side always being favored over the weak side in Western interests, without any form of a Palestinian state ever having been realized; has ensured that jihad and "personalities" such as Bin Laden would have become inevitable forces of opposition to the West in a region that supplies us with most of our oil.

Period.
 
Echoes said:
Rest in peace.

Troll. Not only is this in poor taste in light of a criminal's crimes, but is the other side to a crisis that won't allow for a real and permanent solution to be arrived at any time soon.

Jihad has become another nefarious business in a region that needs such business removed from its world view. The sooner the better.
 
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This is obviously a stupid, instrumental and I would hope rhetorical point, which only serves to reinforce why the West, and particularly Israel and America, will never be viewed well in the urban squares, among the tea and water pipe caffès, of the Middle East. And no war to "bring democracy", or however one wants to call it, can win them over; whereas to resolve what has become a global crisis they must be "won over" and convinced otherwise. The real problem is that we have given them every reason to remain unconvinced and, worse, their mortal enemies. We have tried to work through their anti-democratic and corrupt leaders, while unconditionally supporting Israel even when it has broken international law, because we believed that oppression and leaving the Arabs poor and ignorant was the answer. Obviously this has never been the answer, while the West's only real concern has always exclusively been the business of oil, and thus at the human level in the region it has absolutely reaped what it has sown.

One of the reasons why jihad and hence Osama exists/ed, is because of the Palestinian debacle. Unfortunately things have become too radicalized to have any hope for a more just, if not to say completely just, solution now that establishes an independent Palestinian state, which includes all the illegally confiscated terrain since the war of 67 recreating the original UN stipulations of 48.

It is a question of legality and prepotency, for which the Arabs are not the ones to be found at fault at the inception of a regional drama, which sadly has come to place the entire world under continued threat of war or criminal acts of violent and lethal terrorism.

One has every right, consequently, to call Israel into the question, not in terms of its right to exist, but regarding its share in the responsibilty of never having allowed the same right to existence of a sovereign Palestine. To label this as "antisemitic", however, is pure propaganda, which only violates a principle of legality and justice toward the Arabs of Palestine that is based upon a rather confused take on the issues. But this is what happens when all the economic, ideological and even patriotic considerations take over the minds of those who must tow a line at all costs.

Granted it was perhaps never possible to have formed two independent and sovereign states between Jews and Muslims in Palestine, with both having an equal share in Jerusalem the capital. However, the complete mishandling of the delicate situation from the beginning that saw the strong side always being favored over the weak side in Western interests, without any form of a Palestinian state ever having been realized; has ensured that jihad and "personalities" such as Bin Laden would have become inevitable forces of opposition to the West in a region that supplies us with most of our oil.

Period.

Christian Conservative Republicans yell antisemitism at anything critical of Israel because of this.. To be critical of Israel is to not believe the end times are SOON upon us and therefore it is unchristian to question Israel the country.

"I believe that the Jewish settlements should be allowed to be expanded upon, because that population of Israel is, is going to grow. More and more Jewish people will be flocking to Israel in the days and weeks and months ahead. And I don't think that the Obama administration has any right to tell Israel that the Jewish settlements cannot expand."--Sarah Palin
 
redtreviso said:
Christian Conservative Republicans yell antisemitism at anything critical of Israel because of this.. To be critical of Israel is to not believe the end times are SOON upon us and therefore it is unchristian to question Israel the country.

"I believe that the Jewish settlements should be allowed to be expanded upon, because that population of Israel is, is going to grow. More and more Jewish people will be flocking to Israel in the days and weeks and months ahead. And I don't think that the Obama administration has any right to tell Israel that the Jewish settlements cannot expand."--Sarah Palin

This is what happens when ideologues and the bigoted allow religion to become the reason d'etre of the sovereign state. The problem is that for them (but also for a growing class of ultra-orthodox jews) the state of Israel and the religion of the Jews have never been seen as having their respective and distinguishing places within the young nation. And this is a huge problem, especially in regards to granting Palestinian legitimacy.

In the annals of Western history, this was not supposed to have been the case since about the last 250 years or so. Such views take us all back to the pre-Enlightenment era, when the clergies (of whatever religious cast) ruled society along with the monarchs and princes.

This same (terrible) problem within the Arab-Muslim world, is also the one that hasn't allowed them to progress and join the civil international community, which has of recent times incubated the likes of Osama and co. You'd think our intelligent leaders would understand their views as being truly anachronistic and a reflection of the same problem within the Arab countries from the obverse side of the coin.

It's truly appalling that some ignorant modern US politicians in the very democracy that first established the principle of a separation of church and state in its national foundation, and hence religion from the legitimization of government, are completely unaware of this momentous event that has brought the West into the modern period. Which thus should prevent it from the threat of a type of religious fanaticism of which the likes of Bin Laden have made their international fame/infamy. For this reason I often wonder how "civil" and aware the so called modern US democracy has become in the contemporary period. And how we can ever even begin to hope to resolve a crisis that has contributed to the terrorism. Because war and vendettas won't bring about final resolution. Neither will seeing Israel, today, as some divine ordination for a chosen people, as recounted in a religious book written about 2700 years ago.