Bjarne Riis, saved by silence?

[Benotti69]

Can I borrow the bolded part for my stand-up routine please?

Plenty of important people in the fight for clean cycling have commented that Hamilton has regained credibility.

I at least put his cred over a guy like Fuentes or Riis. As for adding to your comedy routing, keep posting as I chuckle

Really?

Inviting ASO to come and get it is defiance, nothing else.

 

[Race Radio]

Top Clients?

Valverde, Devolder, Ricco, Pantani, LA, Landis, Ulrich, Zuelle, Virenque etc etc. I think are all bigger names and clients than anybody Riis had on his team, just because you don't like the guy don't mean exaggeration makes a more truthfull point, nobody have prove of their relationship (yet).

Basso, Schleck, Hamilton, Cancellera

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Basso, Schleck, Hamilton, Cancellera

+ J. Jaksche

 

[Netserk]

+ J. Jaksche

He wasn't while with Riis IIRC

 

[Dazed and Confused]

He wasn't while with Riis IIRC

really?
He would stop the practice the one year (2004) he was with Riis while having his best ever season?

 

[Le Baroudeur]

Basso, Schleck, Hamilton, Cancellera

Basso, stated it was independent to Riis, was leaving to join Lance, Kick out.
Schleck, cleared, pushed out.
Hamilton, allready doping, Bruyneel new fuentes, as did half of Girona, pushed out.
Cancellara, pure speculation.

+ J. Jaksche

Was a Feuntes client before arriving, pushed out. Stated Riis had no involvement.

 

[Race Radio]

Basso, stated it was independent to Riis, was leaving to join Lance, Kick out.
Schleck, cleared, pushed out.
Hamilton, allready doping, Bruyneel new fuentes, as did half of Girona, pushed out.
Cancellara, pure speculation.



Was a Feuntes client before arriving, pushed out. Stated Riis had no involvement.

So Riis ignored his top riders program? Not the hands on guy he is portrayed to be?

Your post is pretty funny but the "Schleck cleared" part is the best, comedy gold

 

[Le Baroudeur]

So Riis ignored his top riders program? Not the hands on guy he is portrayed to be?

Your post is pretty funny but the "Schleck cleared" part is the best, comedy gold

Refreshingly origional retort.

 

[neineinei]

Basso, stated it was independent to Riis, was leaving to join Lance, Kick out.
Schleck, cleared, pushed out.
Hamilton, allready doping, Bruyneel new fuentes, as did half of Girona, pushed out.
Cancellara, pure speculation.



Was a Feuntes client before arriving, pushed out. Stated Riis had no involvement.

So when Fränk left Riis with Andy, Fabian, Jens, Jakob, Stuart and Anders for a hot new team set up for him and his brother, four years after admitting buying "training plans" from Fuentes he was being pushed out? OK.

 

[hrotha]

Basso, stated it was independent to Riis, was leaving to join Lance, Kick out.
Schleck, cleared, pushed out.
Hamilton, allready doping, Bruyneel new fuentes, as did half of Girona, pushed out.
Cancellara, pure speculation.



Was a Feuntes client before arriving, pushed out. Stated Riis had no involvement.

So wait, if someone doesn't stay in the same team during their whole career, that means the team management had nothing to do with their doping practices?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Refreshingly origional retort.

Much better than yours ^

So, are you suggesting that all these nasty dopers went behind his back to the same Doctor and he had no idea?

 

[Clausfarre]

Not so. Riis answered Tyler's allegations succinctly, to the point, and with the respect they deserve.

The fact that no legal action was taken by Bjarne Riis created much room for speculation and the subsequent silence from Riis, not answering any questions for months despite unrelinquishing media attention, doesn't seem like the behaviour expected if it was all lies that Tyler brought forth. A lawsuit and a vocal Bjarne would have helped matters much in that regard.

 

[Clausfarre]

I recall Riis not wanting to give back his Mailliot Juane, showing he was truly sorry for doping and cheating.

What? Bjarne said that it was in a box in his garage and they could take it if they wanted to. You could be right suggesting that he isn't sorry but don't base it on this story because he did agree to return the jersey in 2007.

 

[Le Baroudeur]

So when Fränk left Riis with Andy, Fabian, Jens, Jakob, Stuart and Anders for a hot new team set up for him and his brother, four years after admitting buying "training plans" from Fuentes he was being pushed out? OK.

The revelation was in Oct 2008, verdict at the end of 2008. The new team formed in 2010 for the 2011 season. Talks with replacements likely started in Jan 2010. That's one and a half years not four.

It fits with the team policy and history that he wasn't offered a new contract.

 

[biopass]

The Silent Riis, Keeper of the Omerta.

 

[Le Baroudeur]

The fact that no legal action was taken by Bjarne Riis created much room for speculation and the subsequent silence from Riis, not answering any questions for months despite unrelinquishing media attention, doesn't seem like the behaviour expected if it was all lies that Tyler brought forth. A lawsuit and a vocal Bjarne would have helped matters much in that regard.

If you recall he went down the possible legal action route in the past. Even if he won the case the benefits were negative. Jaksche Latter changed his story.

If by 'unrelinquishing media attention' you mean a solitary Swedish owned tabloid that pays Hamilton for his statements and that has a stake in selling his book, then I doubt that anything would effect their agenda, Just look at the way they treat other athletes. As for the mainstream credible press, they have more or less reported a balanced account, including all the contradicting opinions and statements to Hamilton's account.

 

[hrotha]

If you recall he went down the possible legal action route in the past. Even if he won the case the benefits were negative. Jaksche Latter changed his story.

If by 'unrelinquishing media attention' you mean a solitary Swedish owned tabloid that pays Hamilton for his statements and that has a stake in selling his book, then I doubt that anything would effect their agenda, Just look at the way they treat other athletes. As for the mainstream credible press, they have more or less reported a balanced account, including all the contradicting opinions and statements to Hamilton's account.

OK, at this point I'm going to ask you to point out explicitly where Jaksche and Hamilton contradicted themselves. You've mentioned the "Alberto León was a CSC associate" thing, but I was following Hamilton's testimony, and I've read reports about it, and I'm pretty sure he didn't say León worked for CSC and that it's a mistake on the part of the journalist.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

If you recall he went down the possible legal action route in the past. Even if he won the case the benefits were negative. Jaksche Latter changed his story.

If by 'unrelinquishing media attention' you mean a solitary Swedish owned tabloid that pays Hamilton for his statements and that has a stake in selling his book, then I doubt that anything would effect their agenda, Just look at the way they treat other athletes. As for the mainstream credible press, they have more or less reported a balanced account, including all the contradicting opinions and statements to Hamilton's account.

Which is what exactly? What contradictory opinions are there, or are we back to having to believe in Fuentes again?

 

[Le Baroudeur]

Much better than yours ^

So, are you suggesting that all these nasty dopers went behind his back to the same Doctor and he had no idea?

It was a mimic of mine. "Show your colours"...

Jaksche did, Basso claims he did, Frank was cleared yet team policy was that contact with external doctors means your gone, Hamilton just got debunked by the doctor. You tell me... Are you suggesting that riders have never served thier personal interests behind a teams back? Are you suggesting the only way you get drugs in sport is through a team and that athletes never get hooked up by talking to other athletes?

What I'm suggesting is that there are a lot of unoriginal posters here that are blinded by assumption, I don't blame them, and many who contribute nothing but wanten FUD... I'd rather keep an open mind.

 

[Clausfarre]

If by 'unrelinquishing media attention' you mean a solitary Swedish owned tabloid that pays Hamilton for his statements and that has a stake in selling his book, then I doubt that anything would effect their agenda, Just look at the way they treat other athletes. As for the mainstream credible press, they have more or less reported a balanced account, including all the contradicting opinions and statements to Hamilton's account.

I don't know which specific tabloid you are referring to but the media as a whole were looking for comments from Riis, be it B.T., Ekstra Bladet, TV2, DR or Jyllandsposten. I'm not saying Tyler is delivering the facts in this case but it is a fact that Riis refused to comment to many different news outlets.

 

[skidmark]

really?
He would stop the practice the one year (2004) he was with Riis while having his best ever season?

Well, if it worked for Bobby Julich, it must have worked for Jaschke.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

It was a mimic of mine. "Show your colours"...

Jaksche did, Basso claims he did, Frank was cleared yet team policy was that contact with external doctors means your gone, Hamilton just got debunked by the doctor. You tell me... Are you suggesting that riders have never served thier personal interests behind a teams back? Are you suggesting the only way you get drugs in sport is through a team and that athletes never get hooked up by talking to other athletes?

No, I did not suggest that.

To help you out, I am suggesting that riders have various ways of getting in contact with Doctors, from team mates to DSs.

In Hamiltons case he said it was Riis who mentioned Fuentes - I see no reason why he would make that up.

What I'm suggesting is that there are a lot of unoriginal posters here that are blinded by assumption, I don't blame them, and many who contribute nothing but wanten FUD... I'd rather keep an open mind.

Your suggestion is noted as not being much of a suggestion.

I suggest if you want to actually prove your point then stick to what you can show.

 

[Le Baroudeur]

I don't know which specific tabloid you are referring to but the media as a whole were looking for comments from Riis, be it B.T., Ekstra Bladet, TV2, DR or Jyllandsposten. I'm not saying Tyler is delivering the facts in this case but it is a fact that Riis refused to comment to many different news outlets.

I'm referring to Berlingske Media publications, with Sporten.dk as the main protagonists. JP/Politikens Hus/EB, DR, and TV2 were balanced in their reports.

 

[Race Radio]

Frank was cleared yet team policy was that contact with external doctors means your gone,

What does this mean? Do you really think that Frank is "cleared" because the sport ignored that he paid 10,000 to a Gynecologist with bags of blood in his fridge for "Interval training"?

You are free to "Clear" him but most rational people to not share that opinion.

 

[Galic Ho]

father barnie

saved by the silence

sounds like a catholics motto

"The Silence will fall and a question will be asked."

What is that question?

Doctor Who indeed? "Do you mean me" says this man?

Nah...couldn't be him. Spaniards don't dope. It's those pesky Brits. Must have meant this jolly old chap!

Note the facial peculiarities and prominent and odd bone structure. Yeah the silence is lifted, the question is asked...it's this Doctor. After all he has a special blue box that flies him anywhere in time and space. Fuentes is being framed I tell you!!! Plus if Fuentes met the Silence his mind would instantly be wiped of the occurence. Thus he could never have knowingly committed any doping offence. As I said he's being FRAMED!!! If you squint really hard you can make a case that Bjarne might look a bit like one of the Silence. I am really starting to feel for poor Eufemanio here.