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Brabantse Pijl 2025, April 18

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Me wanting the race to be longer has little to do with me wanting to watch every second of it. Do you watch all 300km of Milan San Remo? When do you start watching? Final 50kms? Maybe send a request they just ride the last 50km then?
Honestly it just reduces the standalone prestige of the race. What 1 day race is even 160km?

I really don't understand the decision. Even if they say they wanna attrack riders who race Itzulia. But this race is nothing like Itzulia.
 
Yesterday I saw a Conti Spanish rider going downhill on the Moskes because he wanted his teammate to take a video. My back wheel was going left and right with every pedal stroke, the rain just felt down and made the cobbles so slippery. Never had that before. Heard the Spanish G-word on the last hard part.
Also 1 rider from Caja went by, looked like Leitão so I saw the winner already.

Today I did an extra lap and only saw 3 riders. 2 from Bahrein together and one I couldn't see the back of his shirt because he went by too fast behind his motard on the finish straight. Now seeing the teams on the startlist I think it was Pidcock himself.

Tomorrow another try to see more pro riders. The weather also didn't help.
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Great course 160k's my favourite distance

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That makes the target audience basically 1 or 2 riders. It's only targeting Pidcock and Van Aert.
They were hoping for more riders from Basque. Aranburu is riding, but no Healy, Skjelmose, Nys, Schachmann, or... I get what they are trying to do, a bit more time for riders of Basque to get in the area, and ride BP, while also making it less hard so that they still feel they can ride AGR. But this year it didn't work yet. Maybe next year it will.
 
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Honestly it just reduces the standalone prestige of the race. What 1 day race is even 160km?

I really don't understand the decision. Even if they say they wanna attrack riders who race Itzulia. But this race is nothing like Itzulia.
I was thinking maybe it’s hard to do with the women race beforehand? The local lap is around 20km, that’s 30 minutes per added lap. The men are finishing around 17h already, make it 2 extra laps for 200km and they’re finishing around 18h. They have to get a buffer so the 2 races don’t collab, so starting earlier isn’t an option I presume.
But yeah 160km seems odd, when the sun is out I’m doing that on my Sunday ride.
 
They don't want to make it too hard such that top riders will skip it for AGR
It shouldn't be a reason.

Pogacar gave up Ghent and E3 to be better at Flanders and PR.
At no point did they reduce Ghent route to 150 km so that those going to Flanders could also go to Ghent :sweatsmile:

For the prestige of a one-day classic, I think this is a terrible decision.
It discredits it more than the absence of riders because they're going to Amstel.
 
They were hoping for more riders from Basque. Aranburu is riding, but no Healy, Skjelmose, Nys, Schachmann, or... I get what they are trying to do, a bit more time for riders of Basque to get in the area, and ride BP, while also making it less hard so that they still feel they can ride AGR. But this year it didn't work yet. Maybe next year it will.
If they were hoping for more riders from Itzulia to participate, surely they should have made the course harder, not less hard.

I don't really see much similarity in parcours, as mentioned there really isn't much crossover in terms of the target péloton between Brabantse Pijl and Itzulia.

Hell, there isn't that much of one between AGR and Itzulia since the move of the finish / implementation of the godawful 2012 circuit, but at least a lot of elite puncheurs suited to the Basque ramps will do AGR because of the proximity of Flèche and Liège which have a bigger crossover.

This is a race which seemed to have been gradually improving in terms of esteem and calibre of rider in recent years, and this seems like a really retrograde step.
 
If they were hoping for more riders from Itzulia to participate, surely they should have made the course harder, not less hard.

I don't really see much similarity in parcours, as mentioned there really isn't much crossover in terms of the target péloton between Brabantse Pijl and Itzulia.

Hell, there isn't that much of one between AGR and Itzulia since the move of the finish / implementation of the godawful 2012 circuit, but at least a lot of elite puncheurs suited to the Basque ramps will do AGR because of the proximity of Flèche and Liège which have a bigger crossover.

This is a race which seemed to have been gradually improving in terms of esteem and calibre of rider in recent years, and this seems like a really retrograde step.
BP can be seen as the opener of the Ardennes classics, most rides from Itzulia ride these Ardennes classics. So they would like them to also ride BP. They are afraid that if they make BP harder, less riders will want to do it because AGR is 2 days later. Since AGR has more prestige, riders wouldn't go all out or skip BP if it's too hard.
 
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BP can be seen as the opener of the Ardennes classics, most rides from Itzulia ride these Ardennes classics. So they would like them to also ride BP. They are afraid that if they make BP harder, less riders will want to do it because AGR is 2 days later. Since AGR has more prestige, riders wouldn't go all out or skip BP if it's too hard.
Well I would start by not putting it on the Friday. Put it on Thursday instead.

But the main issue is that organisers seem to misunderstand what their own race is. BP isn't a climbers classic. It's not even a race that works well in any top riders schedule because top riders will focus on bigger races.

Basically you're looking for riders who race RVV, but don't race Roubaix or lead Liege. That's not a big list. Even guys like Madous will just do Amstel/Fleche/Liege instead, and they're lucky Pidcocks team didn't race Itzulia
 
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BP can be seen as the opener of the Ardennes classics, most rides from Itzulia ride these Ardennes classics. So they would like them to also ride BP. They are afraid that if they make BP harder, less riders will want to do it because AGR is 2 days later. Since AGR has more prestige, riders wouldn't go all out or skip BP if it's too hard.
Sure, it can be seen as the opener of the Ardennes classics... but it by and large isn't.

Realistically there's something of a continuum of progressing difficulty of climbs in terms of length and so on from the northern Classics through to LBL, and with the move of AGR away from the Cauberg finale (and the increase in prominence of the miserable, worthless Bemelerberg at the expense of actual good climbs like Keutenberg) you could see the period as being two "pairs" of races, the 'intermediate' hilly classics of BP and AGR forming a bridge between the northern Classics and the 'true' Ardennes of Flèche and Liège.

That was what I thought the BP organisers were heading towards, and it seemed to be going well, because especially with the most recent AGR routes, it could attract some of those classics men who don't specialise in the longer hills so would be unlikely to compete on the Mur de Huy, but can power over the 400-500m length ones. BP can very much serve as half of a double act with Amstel Gold, with the profile of the climbs matching up with many of those in the Limburg hills.

But what BP isn't really preparation for is a series of 2-3km steep hills as the Ardennes tend to provide. That isn't to diss the race, it's just not what it has at its disposal. The Volta a Catalunya isn't having several flat stages with cobbled roads to encourage riders to use it as Paris-Roubaix and RVV preparation either. Most of the climbs in BP are the kind that we joke about being "secret" climbs that go unnoted in the Itzulia roadbook because, I don't know when the last time you looked at a topographical map of the Basque Country was, but it's kind of geographically not very similar to the Brabant at all. Which then reflects in the kind of riders it attracts, so trying to attract the riders from Itzulia to BP is kind of a fool's errand, especially trying to attract them by making the race easier, i.e. easier for sprinters and rouleurs to survive, and harder for the grimpeurs and puncheurs that typically make up the lion's share of the stage winners and GC field of the Itzulia to make a difference in. If you do attract them through that, it's more likely to be as logged miles ahead of the Ardennes week proper and the races that suit those riders, not to add anything of substance to the race.
 
My guess is they just wanted to make Ronde van Limburg bigger but failed to attract and now they’re just making up excuses like the Itzulia riders could come. I was even thinking the Brabantse would have less good riders because too close to Amstel so it could be lose-lose with Limburg and Brabantse. Saying it will be better next years, I don’t think so. The classics riders need some rest after Roubaix and the hilly riders haven’t got anything in Limburg.
Or just switch the races. Brabantse on Wednesday again and Limburg on Friday for some Roubaix riders/sprinters.
 
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My guess is they just wanted to make Ronde van Limburg bigger but failed to attract and now they’re just making up excuses like the Itzulia riders could come. I was even thinking the Brabantse would have less good riders because too close to Amstel so it could be lose-lose with Limburg and Brabantse. Saying it will be better next years, I don’t think so. The classics riders need some rest after Roubaix and the hilly riders haven’t got anything in Limburg.
Or just switch the races. Brabantse on Wednesday again and Limburg on Friday for some Roubaix riders/sprinters.
they said that Limburg will likely step up to -pro level next year, so I guess that may improve the field a bit. But it's basically a completely unrelated race anyway (on the current parcours), so best solution would probably be to just do it on Friday. Most of the Amstel contenders have no interest in Limburg anyway..

I don't agree with the posts above saying that Brabantse Pijk can't be seen as an opened of the hilly classic campaign, by the way - I'd even say it's more than that. When we still had the Cauberb + Ans finishes, it more often than not was the best race of the whole hilly classics season.
 
I like it. It's in a different area than all the other big races in Belgium, with a kind of neighborhood feel. I really don't need it to be a big deal. Just nice filler between the bigger races. I don't mind that they're playing around with dates and formats, we'll see what's successful for them. Probably a miss to have it on Friday, but hey, it's just Brabantse Pijl. Looking forward to it, as I do every year.
 
they said that Limburg will likely step up to -pro level next year, so I guess that may improve the field a bit. But it's basically a completely unrelated race anyway (on the current parcours), so best solution would probably be to just do it on Friday. Most of the Amstel contenders have no interest in Limburg anyway..

I don't agree with the posts above saying that Brabantse Pijk can't be seen as an opened of the hilly classic campaign, by the way - I'd even say it's more than that. When we still had the Cauberb + Ans finishes, it more often than not was the best race of the whole hilly classics season.
Brabantse Pijl just doesn't fit as a "hilly" race in the same vein as Flèche or Liège.

It's an intermediate stage between the flatter northern Classics, where the bergs are measured in metres, and the hillier Ardennes Classics where the bergs are measured in kilometres. It's a good race, but it is not an Ardennes Classic and never will be.

Look at the palmarès of Itzulia in the last 20 years. Nothing the guys at Brabantse Pijl can do is going to make this a race that guys like Alberto Contador, Chris Horner, Joaquím Rodríguez, Samuel Sánchez or Nairo Quintana are going to view as being a race for them. And certainly not making it shorter and thereby easier for the sprinters and rouleurs to make it to the end.

But, there are guys who are never going to compete on the Mur de Huy who can compete for the win at Brabantse Pijl and at Amstel Gold and if they peak there while other riders who are focusing on Flèche and Liège are reluctant to go full gas from deep, they can really make the race, but those guys... typically aren't racing Itzulia, and don't need or want the race shortening.
 
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BP has similarities with AGR. That's the point. And riders performing in Itzulia are not only GC guys. Aranburu could win BP after a great Itzulia. (Nys too for example if he was participating)
 
When this race was on a Sunday, one week before the Tour of Flanders, it was a pretty big thing. Since then it has suffered from changing dates between an abundance of races and from not being in the World Tour.

Now there are three Flemish sprint "classics": Brugge-De Panne, Scheldeprijs and Ronde van Limburg. Wouldn't it be better to do one big sprint classic on the circuit of Zolder instead? All the big sprinters could be there and the danger of crashes would be a lot smaller. They could do that on the Wednesday before Roubaix, and the BP could move back to its usual Wednesday.
 
Happy Remco comeback day!

You know you"ve all missed your (least) favorite box office rider!

Even in the days leading up to his comeback he's already managed to stirr up some controversy with his alleged conversion to the Islam and his public displays of his feelings. Just imagine what it will be like during the actual races!
 
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Shorter race. Maybe some hope for a more attractive final. It’s hard enough to make a difference. The combo Moskes-Holstheide will do damage. not much time to recover. Even the finish straight felt harder every extra lap I did.
Almost no wind today.

The riders who can follow Aranburu on the right way have a chance to win.