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Thoughtforfood said:
I am stuck at home reading negligence torts.

I just heard a frightening figure. Since 1980 the top 5% of the wealthy have earned 40 Trillion dollars. That is more wealth than had been created in the world prior to 1980.

This "tax is evil" sh!t is the most irresponsible mantra in our country. I hear a lot of conservatives talk about passing debt to our kids. Exactly what is it they have done to reduce the debt or raise revenue? (and don't tell me that reducing taxes will raise revenue. It is a damn lie.)

I am not quite sure how i stumbled in here....but wow. Where has this thread been hiding?

And TFF, who knew you were a fellow pinko?....hug it out sister:D

"tax is evil" is absolutely one of the things our children and their children will read in their history books and find most risible about what constitutes right wing political rhetoric today. It means nothing and has absolutely no basis in any economic philosophy other than greed. The Tea Party aint a party, it's a cluster f*ck.

Just as universal healthcare, and it's lack of provision, will one day be placed in a pretty unedifying list including racial segregation, ethnic or financial cleansing and state sponsored theft under the guise of a crusade.
 
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blutto said:
....aaah...the laffer curve/supply side economics/reaganomics/voodoo economics/thatcherism...just thinking about about how that swill was sold and rubes that drank that brand of kool-aid is going to make me real ill...this is really starting to be a very scary halloween...

...makes me want to pile thru the collection and find my ep of gil-scot herons b-movie...drop it on the platter...turn the rig up to 11 and proceed to kick out the jams...that will chase the demons away...at least till the morning...

...for you dude....check it out...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-f_hol_nw8 ...really hope you like it...damn righteous that is what it is...

Cheers

blutto

Fantastic!!!!!
 
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straydog said:
Oh and did anyone see Obama on the daily show?

That dude has some class.:D

I was at the rally yesterday. Amazing number of people.

I don't know if I am a pinko as much as I recognize that government has helped produce the greatest amount of wealth for the greatest number of people in the history of mankind because of socialist ideas. I fear we have such an uneducated populace (and "education" reformers like those in the Texas Dept of Education re-writing history) that reality has been supplanted by a lie meant to concentrate more wealth into the hands of the wealthiest Americans.

The conservatives like to call them the "job creators." The reality is that for the past 20 years, the debt of the middle class has been the proximate cause of the job growth. The money never trickled down. It was kept and lent back at 23% revolving. It is a f**king lie perpetrated by those who kept the money, and ignorantly disseminated by people who are made to believe that they have a legitimate shot at attaining that stature. The wealthy privatized their wealth and the socialized their loss when the sh!t hit the fan. "Too big to fail" is a euphemism for "We own your a$$. Write us a check and clean the toilet before you leave b!tch."

Its funny, you keep hearing about how if we let the tax on the wealthiest Americans lapse, they won't create jobs. Where the f**k are the jobs now that their taxes are low? Where are the loans for small businesses? I know the profit of the banks is up because they don't lend, but who is getting rich off of that? Who is paying their bills and creating jobs in a local economy with that? They were talking to David Stockman, President Reagan's budget director on 60 minutes tonight, and it was enlightening to hear a conservative admit that tax cut perpetuation is a lie.

Honestly, I fear that our country has past its expiration date. Sometimes I fear that, and sometimes I welcome that, as the materialistic shallow nature of our existence is the saddest, most repulsive "culture" a society can form. What is passed off as "freedom" is merely the jealously guarded right to have a shopping spree for new clothes, a car, and some fake t!ts.

I really didn't want to get started today, but the political junkie in me comes out sometimes. I get this eerie feeling that once I get my law degree, I will run for office.
 
rhubroma said:
Yes I have been reading the contemporary Marxist literature on the problem of capitalism which the prof. indicates. It has been enormously beneficial in my own awareness in the finacial vs. labor mechanisms that have been at work, which have led to the crisis. Plus the newspapers I read have also provided similar analysis.

And if might humbly add, at times, for those who have followed my posts, I have tried to express some of the same things (lack of rise in labor wages since the 70's and the invention of credic card debt consumption as a counterballancing measure to the problem of consumption, etc.), the rise of neoliberal, deregulated financial capitalism with Regan and Thatcher (thus the "anglo-saxon" problem) as opposed to the more humane type of capitalism, which had been integrated within the philosophy of a "social-democracy" of the post WW II European nations like France, Italy and even Britain (with its welfare state constitution - till Thatcher's reforms). This so called Third-Way, which represented a middle ground between pure "liberal" capitalism and pure marxism, having made of post WW II Western Europe the best off socially, while enjoying economic prosperity, has though been placed under systematic pressure and dismantling by the forces of neoliberal capitalism and, now, a chaotic globalization of which the latter has been the driving force. Financial, economic and politcal pressure coming from across the Atlantic since the West's victory over communism in 89, accompanied by the rise of an insidious and embrionic form of marxist capitalism in China, have brought the necessary preasures to bear upon a fragile Europe caught between giants.

However I'm convinced that the Third Way has been, and still is, the best solution to the conflict of interests inherent in the other two extreams, even if no system is perfect and each is subject to the scourge of political corruption and private ethical crimes like tax evasion. Yet in prinicple it represents that middle ground between two extreams, and therefore the risk of private tyranny over the public domain (the might of the individual over the collective) of neoliberal capitalism (which basically means a turn back to a form of preditory XIX industrial capitalism, though now connected to the universe of finance - Wall Street and all the other financial markets: vs. the tyranny of the public domain over the private sphere (the might of the collective over individual aspirations and opportunities of self-realization) that we got in Lenonist Soviet communism. Marxism was, after all utopia, thus its distortions and oppressive "realization" under the Soviet regime. The victory of the American led West over communism, however, has led to an application of another, and potentially more insidious regime, that of a completely anti-scocial and preditory form of financial capitalism that has nothing noble in it, the only objective being the accumulation of wealth among its protagonists, which has weakened the middle classes, led to increased private debt and led to a very dangerous form of profit making which places the collective at great risk (note the US housing crisis that lead to the Wall Street crack and its disastrous implications for the global economy). And it is even, along with oil, at the basis of all the wars that must be faught to safegaurd the interests of those who are at the top of this system.

It's time to turn back to more civil and enlightenment principles, where the Public is given a relavent relief in the policy makers of the West's decisions, who, for the past 30 years or so have been largely, when not exclusively, predicated upon taking care above all else the profit margins of the finacialists, corporate and military leadrship. I'm not saying the Private sector has no role, just that it should not prevail into the kind of private dictatorship that has set the world ablaze of recrent and making the majority middle classes slip precipitously toward real poverty.

In any case thanks for the feed.

Good post, thanks.

Pity the thread has since deteriorated into a cliche ideological battle.
 
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Ferminal said:
Good post, thanks.

Pity the thread has since deteriorated into a cliche ideological battle.

Cliche? Sorry, but if what I wrote is a "cliche" to you, proffer the depths of your understanding instead of sniping.
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
Fantastic!!!!!

...why thank you!...and as long as I'm on a roll here...there is one more thing I will pass on...the back-story for this is long but the gist is I really dont like modern rap...I was raised on 70s Jamaican rap and this new stuff just doesn't stand up well...so here is some rap that isn't embarrassing...from an album called Home....and if you have heard this already the video part is cool and worth the time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CszG_bR35Mw

...by the way B Movie is really well recorded so if you have a stereo that can move the heavy air it sounds really really fine...

...hope you enjoy Spearhead...

Cheers

blutto
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
I was at the rally yesterday. Amazing number of people.... I get this eerie feeling that once I get my law degree, I will run for office.

Is there any footage of it available? We get the daily show days late here.

If you do ever run for office TFF, may i offer you this advice? Please bury any involvement you have ever had with this website....lol....I can see a rather embarrassing montage of some of your choicer soundbites being neatly packaged into one of those sinister Republican campaign ads.

Blutto....that first link was awesome, by the way.

With you on the rap thing too, are you a ska fan by any chance?
 
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Ferminal said:
Oh TFF come on don't be so defensive, who said I was talking about you.

It was right under my post. Sorry if I misunderstood.
 
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straydog said:
Is there any footage of it available? We get the daily show days late here.

If you do ever run for office TFF, may i offer you this advice? Please bury any involvement you have ever had with this website....lol....I can see a rather embarrassing montage of some of your choicer soundbites being neatly packaged into one of those sinister Republican campaign ads.

Blutto....that first link was awesome, by the way.

With you on the rap thing too, are you a ska fan by any chance?

Oh man, the computers get burnt immediately!
 
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straydog said:
Is there any footage of it available? We get the daily show days late here.

If you do ever run for office TFF, may i offer you this advice? Please bury any involvement you have ever had with this website....lol....I can see a rather embarrassing montage of some of your choicer soundbites being neatly packaged into one of those sinister Republican campaign ads.

Blutto....that first link was awesome, by the way.

With you on the rap thing too, are you a ska fan by any chance?

...ska?...ya mon!...long story short...my room-mate at university had a cousin who was part owner of Studio One...so to say I was spoiled by the records that were regularly sent up from J.A. may qualify as one of the understatements of the century...the apartment was packed, and I mean packed, with just awesome tunage....the problem was the records had no labels as they were from the pre-production runs so I really have no real idea what I was listening to except it was all smashing...this bit of heaven lasted for about 3 years ( the early 70s )...we graduated and Georges record collection went with George...and somehow I got into avant garde jazz for awhile...then I swung back to reggae and have tried ever since to reassemble the music I had heard earlier...and while the interest is high that part of my record collection is still way too sparse ( damn it! )...

...so if you have any suggestions I'm all ears...a growing boy cannot have enough records....or bikes...

Cheers

blutto
 
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blutto said:
...ska?...ya mon!...long story short...my room-mate at university had a cousin who was part owner of Studio One...so to say I was spoiled by the records that were regularly sent up from J.A. may qualify as one of the understatements of the century...the apartment was packed, and I mean packed, with just awesome tunage....the problem was the records had no labels as they were from the pre-production runs so I really have no real idea what I was listening to except it was all smashing...this bit of heaven lasted for about 3 years ( the early 70s )...we graduated and Georges record collection went with George...and somehow I got into avant garde jazz for awhile...then I swung back to reggae and have tried ever since to reassemble the music I had heard earlier...and while the interest is high that part of my record collection is still way too sparse ( damn it! )...

...so if you have any suggestions I'm all ears...a growing boy cannot have enough records....or bikes...

Cheers

blutto

ok, I have loadsssss of suggestions, and will catch up on this more tomorrow as it is getting late here, very late.

But as a taster and apologies if any of these are already on your radar, but these are off the top of my head:

Jimmy Cliff
Junior Mervin
Toots and the Maytals
Pete Wingfield
Lee Perry
The Heptones
and for some good old british two tone The Specials, Linton Kwesi Johnson

Check Itunes or Spotify, kick back, light up a fat one and chilllll:D
 
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straydog said:
I am not quite sure how i stumbled in here....but wow. Where has this thread been hiding?

And TFF, who knew you were a fellow pinko?....hug it out sister:D

"tax is evil" is absolutely one of the things our children and their children will read in their history books and find most risible about what constitutes right wing political rhetoric today. It means nothing and has absolutely no basis in any economic philosophy other than greed. The Tea Party aint a party, it's a cluster f*ck.

Just as universal healthcare, and it's lack of provision, will one day be placed in a pretty unedifying list including racial segregation, ethnic or financial cleansing and state sponsored theft under the guise of a crusade.

Yep, Straydog, you nailed it. I want the fruits of your labor... Now give it to me you selfish ____________ (fill in the blank).
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Yep, Straydog, you nailed it. I want the fruits of your labor... Now give it to me you selfish ____________ (fill in the blank).

right wing neo con creationist loving troglodyte?:D
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
I was at the rally yesterday. Amazing number of people.

I don't know if I am a pinko as much as I recognize that government has helped produce the greatest amount of wealth for the greatest number of people in the history of mankind because of socialist ideas. I fear we have such an uneducated populace (and "education" reformers like those in the Texas Dept of Education re-writing history) that reality has been supplanted by a lie meant to concentrate more wealth into the hands of the wealthiest Americans.

The conservatives like to call them the "job creators." The reality is that for the past 20 years, the debt of the middle class has been the proximate cause of the job growth. The money never trickled down. It was kept and lent back at 23% revolving. It is a f**king lie perpetrated by those who kept the money, and ignorantly disseminated by people who are made to believe that they have a legitimate shot at attaining that stature. The wealthy privatized their wealth and the socialized their loss when the sh!t hit the fan. "Too big to fail" is a euphemism for "We own your a$$. Write us a check and clean the toilet before you leave b!tch."

Its funny, you keep hearing about how if we let the tax on the wealthiest Americans lapse, they won't create jobs. Where the f**k are the jobs now that their taxes are low? Where are the loans for small businesses? I know the profit of the banks is up because they don't lend, but who is getting rich off of that? Who is paying their bills and creating jobs in a local economy with that? They were talking to David Stockman, President Reagan's budget director on 60 minutes tonight, and it was enlightening to hear a conservative admit that tax cut perpetuation is a lie.

Honestly, I fear that our country has past its expiration date. Sometimes I fear that, and sometimes I welcome that, as the materialistic shallow nature of our existence is the saddest, most repulsive "culture" a society can form. What is passed off as "freedom" is merely the jealously guarded right to have a shopping spree for new clothes, a car, and some fake t!ts.

I really didn't want to get started today, but the political junkie in me comes out sometimes. I get this eerie feeling that once I get my law degree, I will run for office.

Many of your views I agree with, some I don't.

Personally, I can't go out and hire more people for numerous reasons. Market conditions don't warrant it, 54% rise in unemployment insurance (2 years), 9% increase in State Income tax, 30% increase in employee health insurance premiums (2 years).

I'm looking at electricity costs increasing 50% next year (30% this year) thanks to CA AB32 (Cap and Trade). In Cali, we are determined to lead the world in curbing global warming no matter how many millions of jobs it costs.

I'm seroiusly thinking of closing down shop and becoming a fireman (no joke). Being a public employee is the only thing I'd ever show my kids. That's where the money is. I'm finally ready to start feeding from the public tit instead of feeding it.

I think you are correct. Our Country is well past it's expiration date.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Are those the best stereotypes you can come up with?

Sheesh Scott....I wasn't calling you those things. I was just filling in the blank as you asked:rolleyes:

Listen, I am a bit pink I admit it. But I certainly don't prescribe to a complete anti capitalist mentality. I happen to believe certain free market economics can and do create wealth and jobs. I just don't believe it should ever be allowed to run unchecked.

I also happen to believe that a certain element of wealth distribution via taxation shouldn't be seen as some kind of millstone. I think you can fairly judge a nation's "fitness" by it's social responsibility. I also happen to think that when taxation needs to be used to prop up an economy, as is the case in the current economic climate, that unfortunately the people most likely to be hit hardest are generally those least likely to be able to "afford" it. Very rarely are those who can "afford" it asked to really contribute fairly, as more often than not they are in a position to influence policy.
 
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Scott SoCal said:
Many of your views I agree with, some I don't.

Personally, I can't go out and hire more people for numerous reasons. Market conditions don't warrant it, 54% rise in unemployment insurance (2 years), 9% increase in State Income tax, 30% increase in employee health insurance premiums (2 years).

I'm looking at electricity costs increasing 50% next year (30% this year) thanks to CA AB32 (Cap and Trade). In Cali, we are determined to lead the world in curbing global warming no matter how many millions of jobs it costs.

I'm seroiusly thinking of closing down shop and becoming a fireman (no joke). Being a public employee is the only thing I'd ever show my kids. That's where the money is. I'm finally ready to start feeding from the public tit instead of feeding it.

I think you are correct. Our Country is well past it's expiration date.

To be fair, those are not the only market conditions present that are causing small business hardship. The private market is also devoid of capital necessary to sustain many small businesses. To throw all of that blame at the government is simply not fair. It would take pages upon pages to hash this out. I honestly don't have the time for a fully developed debate on this.

We are in a serious financial crisis in America, and to place the blame at the foot of the government solely is an argument not based in reality. The upper 5% of own a staggering percentage of wealth. You want to know where the capital is to sustain your business, that is where it is, and they aren't interested in lending it right now. They claim its because of government policy, but in reality it is because they see no avenue that will provide a higher return of investment than they can get from not lending it. Their money is warehoused right now, and it will remain so until a viable private sector market develops that will earn them a higher return on investment. Here is the problem, nobody knows what that is because there is no such market. The tech boom of the late 1990's petered out, and so all of that money flowed into the real estate market. That blew up (because of failures in the private market, not because of CRA as preached by the right), and now they have nowhere to put their money. We don't make anything in our country anymore because the jobs all moved to countries where 12 year old children can make those things for much cheaper, so that we can then buy those many things on credit...wait I am starting to see a pattern here.

We based our entire economy on materialism, and it bit us in the a$$. Hard. You can't sustain an economy on service sector jobs. To walk around and claim the government is the primary source of the problem is simply not reality. Your business is not thriving because people don't have the capital to buy the things you sell. They don't have the capital because they don't have jobs, or have jobs but make less than they used to. The bubble burst because of failures in private markets.

Crap, I just don't have the time to go on. Good day all...
 
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straydog said:
ok, I have loadsssss of suggestions, and will catch up on this more tomorrow as it is getting late here, very late.

But as a taster and apologies if any of these are already on your radar, but these are off the top of my head:

Jimmy Cliff
Junior Mervin
Toots and the Maytals
Pete Wingfield
Lee Perry
The Heptones
and for some good old british two tone The Specials, Linton Kwesi Johnson

Check Itunes or Spotify, kick back, light up a fat one and chilllll:D

...nice list...I'm a big Scratch fan...also think most On-U recordings are real special...Adrian Sherwood has a real nice touch behind the board....not so big on dancehall...

...funny you should mention LKJ...used to run Forces of Victory thru my head when I was doing Time Trials....perfect music to dance on the pedals to I thought...

....but its the old school ska that really is missing from my collection...remember the first time I heard I Just Cant Stop It by The Beat...the flood of memories was overwhelming, but by that time some years had passed and many specific bits of information were gone...been scrambling since...and besides the old school ska was hard to find at the best of times...

....sorry gotta run...will pick this up real soon...

Cheers

blutto
 
Thoughtforfood said:
I was at the rally yesterday. Amazing number of people.

I don't know if I am a pinko as much as I recognize that government has helped produce the greatest amount of wealth for the greatest number of people in the history of mankind because of socialist ideas. I fear we have such an uneducated populace (and "education" reformers like those in the Texas Dept of Education re-writing history) that reality has been supplanted by a lie meant to concentrate more wealth into the hands of the wealthiest Americans.

The conservatives like to call them the "job creators." The reality is that for the past 20 years, the debt of the middle class has been the proximate cause of the job growth. The money never trickled down. It was kept and lent back at 23% revolving. It is a f**king lie perpetrated by those who kept the money, and ignorantly disseminated by people who are made to believe that they have a legitimate shot at attaining that stature. The wealthy privatized their wealth and the socialized their loss when the sh!t hit the fan. "Too big to fail" is a euphemism for "We own your a$$. Write us a check and clean the toilet before you leave b!tch."

Its funny, you keep hearing about how if we let the tax on the wealthiest Americans lapse, they won't create jobs. Where the f**k are the jobs now that their taxes are low? Where are the loans for small businesses? I know the profit of the banks is up because they don't lend, but who is getting rich off of that? Who is paying their bills and creating jobs in a local economy with that? They were talking to David Stockman, President Reagan's budget director on 60 minutes tonight, and it was enlightening to hear a conservative admit that tax cut perpetuation is a lie.

Honestly, I fear that our country has past its expiration date. Sometimes I fear that, and sometimes I welcome that, as the materialistic shallow nature of our existence is the saddest, most repulsive "culture" a society can form. What is passed off as "freedom" is merely the jealously guarded right to have a shopping spree for new clothes, a car, and some fake t!ts.

I really didn't want to get started today, but the political junkie in me comes out sometimes. I get this eerie feeling that once I get my law degree, I will run for office.

So true.

There was an interesting article today in the la Repubblica daily, which basically had to do with a disconcerting sentiment that is currently spreading throughout middle class America. Namely, that for the first time in the country's history, there is a widespread perception that the golden years are now behind the nation, that history has taken a turn for the worst, and that people in America don't see a way for America to rise above the problems it now faces for a happier future. In other words, that Americans are becoming more fatalistic and pessimistic about what they see as a future rife with danger and uncertainty. By contrast, for the first time an emerging class in India is seeing the possibility of happier times down the road as their shared destiny.

The Indian transformation seems to be connected to the benefits it has received from globalization and entering the world's markets. How real those perceptions will turn out to be entirely remains to be seen. Though one thing seems certain: 30 years of US government enacting a fiscal policy that overwhelmingly has benefited the protagonists of the deregulated financial and corporate universes, at the expense of an any socially motivated ideological law-making, has devastated the already tried and struggling middle classes while pushing a significant number to the poverty threshold. Moreover such a middle class, without capital and diminishing or merely holding wages, has literally been made beholden to debt (credit cards and loans), which the financial gurus at the top had presented to them as their only means to material gains. Not wanting the working class wages to actually rise, because that would make workers less exploitable to the world of finance, the alpha class is more than happy to "accommodate" their material desires on credit. Indeed, as you mention, the loaning institutions (themselves corporate entities with broad economic and political portfolios- given the lobbies and that so many of Washington's politicians have been borne out of this machine) then profiteer from the interest on repayments of that debt, which is reinvested by the rich to perpetuate this iniquitous money making scam. Basically the rich get richer on the backs of those less well off, if not entirely poor, who are then forever reliant upon such debt to make ends meet. At the same time the government has taken away all forms of social guarantees, those nets which should be put up in the form of business profit regulations and tax based welfare and public assistance, which any enlightened civil code understands as both humane and necessary, to save the worst off or precarious from being exploited or placed in danger by bad business and financial practices, and thus from falling completely to their doom while the rich presumably stand by and watch. And then those same rich in positions of power and influence embark upon a propaganda campaign to demonize everything which goes against their interests, in a way that makes the common people actually believe that what is disgustingly against their better interests, and hence those of the nation at large, is in fact most congenial to them and in reality to think otherwise is insane, unpatriotic and un-American. Yet they have succeed quite triumphantly! Tax dollars are thus spent on repaying a national debt, which, because not accrued on social expenses, has accumulated from private corporate-financial disasters and especially military escalation. The latter being the one force which can be ultimately relied upon, when the nation's industrial resource and economic interests are placed under threat. Of course if the US nation were more socially just from within, by real wages meeting consumer market demands, then the alpha class would be less decisive in establishing the private interests that are often at the heart of its own internal conflicts, as well as, bellicose ones abroad. D. Harvey points out that it is his job to tell people how much they have been defrauded for all these reasons. And this has nothing to do with the rich vs. the poor per se, but the total favoritism toward the one at the detriment and expense of the other. What's really frightful is that this imbalanced, unfair and unjust system has, since the Regan years, become the praxis of both right-wing and left-wing factions and so has transcended political ideology to become the very culture of an anti-social American democracy and its form of neoliberal capitalism.


One other thing to remember: the idea that social democratic states are unaffordable is largely a myth. When the government is able to keep the Public sector protected from the assaults of the private interests and people pay their taxes it is. It has worked in the past before Reganomics and the Thatcherist ideology of the State, began to creep over to the Continent in the post-Soviet era. The triumph of one ideology has led to the sinking of another. And when we consider that the US has by far the largest fiscal deficit proportional to GNP on the planet, the rhetoric which says that social democratic states simply waste tax payers contributions seems at best an odd logic, at worst the vapid ideology of a dominant class. And the US has such a luxury only because of its superpower status and thus two major reasons: that the dollar is still the petrol currency and that China invests in the dollar (which allows the US to maintain its gargantuan military apparatus, while borrowing on top of this to finance its multi-front wars). America is the only nation that has been able to maintain its living standard while accruing a staggering public debt, without having to suffer seriously negative economic consequences for this reason. Till now at least. And if the oil currency were to change, say to the Euro? And if China starts asking for a return on its US investments? Even the possibility coupled with prospect of seeing future generations (the children of today's parents and their children's children and their children's, children's children) paying off today's spending, is enough to demonstrate how such a privilege may not have been exclusively a beneficiary asset. It will probably also ensure that future economic growth will be agonizingly slow. All this while to try and save the system the current leadership allowed private debt to been socialized, while transferring public tax funds to the private institutions that have caused the crisis. It's just maddening.

Oh and, by the way: this is precisely what began to take place in the late Roman world between the minority haves and the majority have nots, which became the basis for the subsequent medieval feudal system between the monarchs, vassals and serfs. Perhaps we aren't headed back to the feudal world, but if this system remains unaltered in the future we may well be headed toward a new type of Middle Ages, which leaves us with little comfort. Perhaps middle class Americans have already sensed the coming darkness.
 
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Not there yet but well on our way.

Amused To Death

Doctor Doctor what is wrong with me
This supermarket life is getting long
What is the heart life of a colour TV
What is the shelf life of a teenage queen
Ooh western woman
Ooh western girl
News hound sniffs the air
When Jessica Hahn goes down
He latches on to that symbol
Of detachment
Attracted by the peeling away of feeling
The celebrity of the abused shell the belle
Ooh western woman
Ooh western girl
And the children of Melrose
Strut their stuff
Is absolute zero cold enough
And out in the valley warm and clean
The little ones sit by their TV screens
No thoughts to think
No tears to cry
All sucked dry
Down to the very last breath
Bartender what is wrong with me
Why I am so out of breath
The captain said excuse me ma'am
This species has amused itself to death
Amused itself to death
Amused itself to death
We watched the tragedy unfold
We did as we were told
We bought and sold
It was the greatest show on earth
But then it was over
We oohed and aahed
We drove our racing cars
We ate our last few jars of caviar
And somewhere out there in the stars
A keen-eyed look-out
Spied a flickering light
Our last hurrah
And when they found our shadows
Groups 'round the TV sets
They ran down every lead
They repeated every test
They checked out all the data in their lists
And then the alien anthropologists
Admitted they were still perplexed
But on eliminating every other reason
For our sad demise
They logged the only explanation left
This species has amused itself to death
No tears to cry
No feelings left
This species has amused itself to death
Amused itself to death


Written by Roger Waters (P) 1992
 
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And if we are quoting Waters....what about the whole of Radio K.A.O.S?

A concept album about the effects of Thatcherism on a national industry and the lives it devastated....utterly brilliant by the way.

Blutto....my omission of the beats (international) was indeed large, but I left them out because I was mainly centering on Jamaican ska. But what a band. "Mirror in the bathroom" obviously, but also possibly one of my absolute favourites "can't get used to losing you". Also, some of Bad manners is worth taking a look see, Fun boy three also. The ethiopians. I could go on and on and on and on and on...

I am proud to say the first record I ever bought was "too much too young" by the specials, having said that the second was "too shy shy" by Kajagoogoo so I supppose I shouldn't be too proud. I was ten though in my defence.:D
 
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straydog said:
And if we are quoting Waters....what about the whole of Radio K.A.O.S?

A concept album about the effects of Thatcherism on a national industry and the lives it devastated....utterly brilliant by the way.

Blutto....my omission of the beats (international) was indeed large, but I left them out because I was mainly centering on Jamaican ska. But what a band. "Mirror in the bathroom" obviously, but also possibly one of my absolute favourites "can't get used to losing you". Also, some of Bad manners is worth taking a look see, Fun boy three also. The ethiopians. I could go on and on and on and on and on...

I am proud to say the first record I ever bought was "too much too young" by the specials, having said that the second was "too shy shy" by Kajagoogoo so I supppose I shouldn't be too proud. I was ten though in my defence.:D


...wondering if there are some compilation CDs that you could recommend that would cover the early J.A. ska scene...and do you make a distinction between rock steady and ska?... and if you do please throw out some rock steady comp recommendations....

...also wondering if you have dabbled in music from New Orleans/Louisiana which according to some prominent musicologists is a major contributor to ska/rock steady/reggae...folks like Professor Longhair, The Meters, The Wild Tchoupitoulas, Clifton Chenier...real nice toe tapping music...

Cheers

blutto
 

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