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King Boonen said:
Brullnux said:
The issue right now for the UK is: either you have no tariffs etc and you stay in the single market/customs union, but have no control over immigration (which in all honesty is basically a non-issue in reality) and no ability to have fta with third parties, or you have tariffs and lose much of the city services etc. which are crucial to a uk economy which revolves around them, along with quite a few of the remaining manufacturing jobs. So basically stay in an objectively worse version of the eu, or a break which will probably have negative effects. The second is more palatable to the public.

But I still see no plus-side to this. A dependent (by nature, it's one vs 27) relationship formed over 45 years (and longer, since post-war really) is hard to undo in two. Perhaps in twenty years time we will have been able to make up for the inevitable loss in trade we'll have in regards to the eu with emerging countries and refocus our exports, but even then I doubt if many of the powerful countries are willing to let smaller countries catch up on them and overtake them - so the market in said countries will still be fairly small. And we can't export services to the USA, Japan, China or India (biggest four potential partners) because quite simply there is no demand for them in those areas, especially if they can find it cheaper elsewhere. Perhaps to further compound our issues, I think that with the approaching automation most developing countries will not head towards manufacturing from agriculture but straight to tertiary services, which will decapitate our whole approach to whatever it is liam fox is in charge of. Like I said, I doubt there are many positives to come away from this - I'd appreciate anyone to tell me I'm wrong and instil some optimism.

If I were in charge, I'd accept v. small tariffs in certain areas (the eu chooses, i'm not deluded, i know they hold the cards), for the ability to do free trade agreements elsewhere; whilst simultaneously accepting immigration from eu countries, with the benefit provision that was always there anyway, and abiding by eu regulations (which are mostly positive imo anyway).
How would you deal with the hard border between Northern Ireland/Republic of Ireland that this necessitate? We can't have FTAs elsewhere and a soft border which would allow free flow of these goods into the EU.
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Brullnux said:
King Boonen said:
Brullnux said:
The issue right now for the UK is: either you have no tariffs etc and you stay in the single market/customs union, but have no control over immigration (which in all honesty is basically a non-issue in reality) and no ability to have fta with third parties, or you have tariffs and lose much of the city services etc. which are crucial to a uk economy which revolves around them, along with quite a few of the remaining manufacturing jobs. So basically stay in an objectively worse version of the eu, or a break which will probably have negative effects. The second is more palatable to the public.

But I still see no plus-side to this. A dependent (by nature, it's one vs 27) relationship formed over 45 years (and longer, since post-war really) is hard to undo in two. Perhaps in twenty years time we will have been able to make up for the inevitable loss in trade we'll have in regards to the eu with emerging countries and refocus our exports, but even then I doubt if many of the powerful countries are willing to let smaller countries catch up on them and overtake them - so the market in said countries will still be fairly small. And we can't export services to the USA, Japan, China or India (biggest four potential partners) because quite simply there is no demand for them in those areas, especially if they can find it cheaper elsewhere. Perhaps to further compound our issues, I think that with the approaching automation most developing countries will not head towards manufacturing from agriculture but straight to tertiary services, which will decapitate our whole approach to whatever it is liam fox is in charge of. Like I said, I doubt there are many positives to come away from this - I'd appreciate anyone to tell me I'm wrong and instil some optimism.

If I were in charge, I'd accept v. small tariffs in certain areas (the eu chooses, i'm not deluded, i know they hold the cards), for the ability to do free trade agreements elsewhere; whilst simultaneously accepting immigration from eu countries, with the benefit provision that was always there anyway, and abiding by eu regulations (which are mostly positive imo anyway).
How would you deal with the hard border between Northern Ireland/Republic of Ireland that this necessitate? We can't have FTAs elsewhere and a soft border which would allow free flow of these goods into the EU.
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Which would work perfectly, if it wasn't for a minority government propped up by the DUP.
 
As the squbaling crew of the SS UK Titanic head towards the Brexit iceberg, some are already grabbing a lifeboat

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/unilever-moves-headquarters-rotterdam-london-brexit-100-years-a8256736.html
Unilever has announced that it will be moving its legal headquarters to Rotterdam, dealing a sharp blow to Britain’s status as a European business hub ahead of Brexit.

The consumer goods giant, which is the UK’s third largest company, on Thursday said that it was shaking up its corporate structure. Under the changes the company will operate three divisions. Its beauty and personal care division and its home care division will be based in London, while its foods and refreshment division will be based in Rotterdam.

It said that it also intends to simplify from its current structure of being two legal entities, transforming into one legal entity that will be incorporated in the Netherlands.
 
As bad as May is I just couldn't see our country being run by communist and lets not beat about the bush, that's what Corbyn and McDonnell are, then you have that clown Abbott backing them up and she is nothing but a racist buffoon, right now Labour are an amazing gift to the Tories.

I will never vote Labour as long as they 2 are running it and I will never ever vote SNP
 
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macbindle said:
So you think Corbyn would try to convert the UK economy to a communist one, do you?

If the answer is no then why would what you think are Cirbyn's ideals have any bearing on anything?
are you denying that the Labour leaders haven't communist views?

they just end up like every other MP, just saying what they think the public want to hear.

they have went that far left the Labour won't get voted in with these 2 running it
 
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rick james said:
macbindle said:
So you think Corbyn would try to convert the UK economy to a communist one, do you?

If the answer is no then why would what you think are Cirbyn's ideals have any bearing on anything?
are you denying that the Labour leaders haven't communist views?

they just end up like every other MP, just saying what they think the public want to hear.

they have went that far left the Labour won't get voted in with these 2 running it
You haven't answered my question Rick. It's the one with a question mark.

In answer to the bolded quote of you, which communist views? Abolition of private property? Collective ownership of the means of production? Or just plain old dialectical materialism?

Which???

I guess you think this is the first Russian diplomat expelled from the UK:



;) :D
 
Well I suppose it would have to be. Not an area I know much about, admittedly. I struggle to read a page of a book without falling asleep these days.

Funny though. Thinking about diamat has me reflecting on a visit to the USSR in the mid-eighties and the proliferation of philosophical writings taught to all. (as long as they were of the right sort natch)

Back in the UK, we had to make do with a duality of scripture and Viz. Despite that there was still a greater political consciousness then there is now...
 
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rick james said:
As bad as May is I just couldn't see our country being run by communist and lets not beat about the bush, that's what Corbyn and McDonnell are, then you have that clown Abbott backing them up and she is nothing but a racist buffoon, right now Labour are an amazing gift to the Tories.

I will never vote Labour as long as they 2 are running it and I will never ever vote SNP
Why will you never SNP, ***. It's a Socialist party, indeed, the biggest party, in Scotland by a country mile, doing a great job to boot.
 
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ferryman said:
rick james said:
As bad as May is I just couldn't see our country being run by communist and lets not beat about the bush, that's what Corbyn and McDonnell are, then you have that clown Abbott backing them up and she is nothing but a racist buffoon, right now Labour are an amazing gift to the Tories.

I will never vote Labour as long as they 2 are running it and I will never ever vote SNP
Why will you never SNP, ***. It's a Socialist party, indeed, the biggest party, in Scotland by a country mile, doing a great job to boot.
lol, socialist party, aye nae bother
 
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Lupi33x said:
Bustedknuckle said:
Lupi33x said:
Poor Ms May doesn't have the balls to extract her failing nation from the German Empire.
Spoken like a true aryan disciple...
You're calling me a nazi now? Based on what?
Lets see some proof.
HA..funny, considering your bloviations on the US politics thread. I know you admire power, don't like secularism, anything that threatens your 'position' in life.
 
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Lupi33x said:
Poor Ms May doesn't have the balls to extract her failing nation from the German Empire.
Firstly, you are ignorant of the domestic politics at play, secondly you are ignorant of the nature of the EU.

Is there a topic that you actually know something about? Perhaps we could discuss that? It would certainly be more edifying than watching you parade your ignorance as a virtue.
 
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macbindle said:
Lupi33x said:
Poor Ms May doesn't have the balls to extract her failing nation from the German Empire.
Firstly, you are ignorant of the domestic politics at play, secondly you are ignorant of the nature of the EU.

Is there a topic that you actually know something about? Perhaps we could discuss that? It would certainly be more edifying than watching you parade your ignorance as a virtue.
If you can't see the EU for what it is, that's your problem not mine.
Too bad your prime minister is too week to execute the will of the people for independence.
 
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Bustedknuckle said:
Lupi33x said:
Bustedknuckle said:
Lupi33x said:
Poor Ms May doesn't have the balls to extract her failing nation from the German Empire.
Spoken like a true aryan disciple...
You're calling me a nazi now? Based on what?
Lets see some proof.
HA..funny, considering your bloviations on the US politics thread. I know you admire power, don't like secularism, anything that threatens your 'position' in life.
Only someone suffering with delusions could come to those conclusions based on my posts here.
 
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Lupi33x said:
Bustedknuckle said:
Lupi33x said:
Bustedknuckle said:
Lupi33x said:
Poor Ms May doesn't have the balls to extract her failing nation from the German Empire.
Spoken like a true aryan disciple...
You're calling me a nazi now? Based on what?
Lets see some proof.
HA..funny, considering your bloviations on the US politics thread. I know you admire power, don't like secularism, anything that threatens your 'position' in life.
Only someone suffering with delusions could come to those conclusions based on my posts here.

Preach it baby, I got your beat box

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWXazVhlyxQ
 
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aphronesis said:
The way you use that shift arrow key incessantly does mark you as a stable man of wisdom. Everyone is duly impressed.
You speak for everyone now?

(delusion of grandeur)
 
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aphronesis said:
I’ve got a consensus on this one. What are you saying? Come on, person of such strong beliefs as yourself.
If there's any consensus here its because of the biased moderation. However you said everyone, now you're talking about consensus. Consensus is politics, its not facts.

There's a real bitterness in your posts lately. You've been served. Time for some introspection.
I'm not the problem here.
 
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