British politics

[macbindle]

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/03/conservative-party-islamophobia-racism-media

Touching on the startling disparity between action on alleged anti-semitism and islamophobia

 

[Jagartrott]

More than a million out on the streets today for a people's vote - during Milano-San Remo no less (perhaps some made it back in time for the Poggio climb, hence missing nothing).

 

[macbindle]

Plus 4.5 million signing online petition using government website.

The Leavers still don't understand that they are asking the impossible...that mps should move us out of the EU without causing serious harm to the nation.

 

[aphronesis]

John McDonnell is cagey when an interviewer asks, “Capitalism — inherently wrong? Or are you just the man to fix it?” It says something that the question is even posed. Just a decade ago McDonnell was the parliamentary spokesperson for picket lines and antiwar meetings, the champion of antique causes in Blair’s Britain. He was the Labour MP who welcomed the financial crash with the words, “I’m a Marxist. . . . I’ve been waiting for this for a generation.” In Who’s Who he listed his hobby as “fomenting the overthrow of capitalism.” Elsewhere he named Lenin and Trotsky among his heroes.

Now he is shadow chancellor of the Exchequer, the Labour Party’s candidate to control Britain’s money, and — even more than his old friend Jeremy Corbyn — a symbol of Labour’s leftward shift. He won exhilarated applause from many long-suffering party members when he described his economic vision to their annual conference in 2016: “You no longer have to whisper its name; it’s called socialism.” Pressed on what this means, though, his evangelism is tempered:

I don’t believe capitalism serves the interest of our country at the moment . I want to transform our economic system. That means transforming capitalism. That means working through institutions like the European Union to make sure they are more open and democratic so we can break the neoliberal straitjacket there is on economic policy within Europe.

https://nplusonemag.com/issue-33/politics/renewed-labour/

Edited by King Boonen: Please don't post articles verbatim.

 

[Robert5091]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47715933

MPs are starting to debate the process of voting on their preferred Brexit options, as Theresa May prepares to meet Tory backbenchers in an effort to win them over to her agreement.

Some MPs want the PM to name the date she will leave No 10 to have any hope of getting their backing for her deal.

The BBC's Laura Kuenssberg said some leading Brexiteers were "tiptoeing their way" towards supporting her plan.

Jacob Rees-Mogg has said of the deal: "Half a loaf is better than no bread."

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme he did not "begin to pretend this is a good deal or a good choice", but he would support the PM's plan if it had the backing of the Democratic Unionist Party.

Chicken race?

 

[macbindle]

It means that the hard Brexiters have completely lost.

I think they must fear the outcome were there to be a 2nd referendum.

I'm hoping for one. The prospect of a long extension worries me that the Leave campaign could regroup. But equally, I'd rather stay in the EU. Leaving is such a batsh1t crazy idea.

 

[Robert5091]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47725529

Theresa May has promised Tory MPs she will quit if they back her Brexit deal.

She told backbench Tories: "I am prepared to leave this job earlier than I intended in order to do what is right for our country and our party."

The PM said she knew that Tory MPs did not want her to lead the next phase of Brexit negotiations "and I won't stand in the way of that".

But the DUP said it had not changed its position and would still vote against the deal.

In a statement released after the PM announced her offer to stand down, DUP leader Arlene Foster said the "necessary changes" she wanted to see to the backstop clause in the withdrawal agreement had still not been secured.

There was still an "ongoing strategic risk that Northern Ireland would be trapped in backstop arrangements", she added and "we will not be supporting the government if they table a fresh meaningful vote".

Justice Secretary David Gauke said he hoped Parliament would "rally behind" the PM's deal, and he thinks "there is a mood in that direction".

But many Conservative Brexiteers - including the chairman of the European Research Group Jacob Rees-Mogg - had been waiting to see if the DUP's 10 MPs would back the deal before deciding whether to get behind it.

So the DUP is still running the Government? The irony is of course a majority of people in Northen Ireland voted to stay in the EU. But what the heck happens if May steps down - just more chaos? Geezus!

 

[aphronesis]

https://www.versobooks.com/blogs/4282-after-the-referendum-life-went-on-exactly-as-before-except-when-it-didn-t

 

[Robert5091]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...leave-ukip-eu-met-scotland-yard-a8844181.html

Police are bracing for potential unrest at protests by pro-Brexit groups following threats of riots by far-right extremists.

Scotland Yard said it was ready to “share resource across the country” if disorder breaks out at numerous planned demonstrations in London and across the UK on Friday.

The bully boys and fearmongers are out today on the streets. Expect TV news filled of crazies of all description - "I'm for/against Brexit so I'm throwing stones at the police and smashing shop windows".

 

[King Boonen]

Happy Brexit Day!

 

[rick james]

Happy brexit day, shame our great leaders can’t keep the promise they made

 

[Catwhoorg]

May loses a vote on her deal for the 3rd time.

Brexit date now formally 4/12 unless extended.

 

[rick james]

no deal and we go to WTO..

 

[King Boonen]

Economically that's likely to be the worst possible outcome, hopefully that's not how we end up.

 

[del1962]

Will the EU accept a long extension? It means Euro elections and I expect in this scenario a new Brexit party led by Farage.

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

Will the EU accept a long extension? It means Euro elections and I expect in this scenario a new Brexit party led by Farage.

I think they will if there is a legitimate reason (2nd ref, General Election etc.). If it's just an attempt to alter the deal, then no, I wouldn't have thought so.

Not sure there is enough time for Farage to set up a party, get candidates in place and run for the EU elections?

 

[macbindle]

This is all going to work out jolly nicely

 

[rick james]

Yes, yes it is, no deal brexit is an amazing deal, we go to WTO like every country out side the useless European Union and we get to keep the billions May promised the EU in her useless deal

 

[macbindle]

I think not.

Long extension. 2nd ref or awesome fudge.
No way the grown ups are going to let the country go to ***.

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

Yes, yes it is, no deal brexit is an amazing deal, we go to WTO like every country out side the useless European Union and we get to keep the billions May promised the EU in her useless deal

I think the list of other countries trading solely on WTO terms is currently zero. WTO is also not the default, we’d have to apply for membership as we would forfeit our membership through the EU.

 

[Merckx index]

May: It's not fair to have a second referendum. You can't keep having votes till you get the result you want. In the meantime, keep voting for my deal till we get the result I want.

 

[macbindle]

Frankie Boyle on the Tories lining up to oust the PM:

"Jacob Rees-Mogg looks like the man who owns the lab Gove escaped from."

"I couldn't look at Gove for long. It's only his glasses that stop his face being classified as genitalia."

 

[Robert5091]

Re: Re:

Yes, yes it is, no deal brexit is an amazing deal, we go to WTO like every country out side the useless European Union and we get to keep the billions May promised the EU in her useless deal

I think the list of other countries trading solely on WTO terms is currently zero. WTO is also not the default, we’d have to apply for membership as we would forfeit our membership through the EU.

According to https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/countries_e/united_kingdom_e.htm

This page gathers information on the United Kingdom's participation in the WTO. The United Kingdom has been a WTO member since 1 January 1995 and a member of GATT since 1 January 1948.

infact the EU itself is a WTO member
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_the_World_Trade_Organization

The 28 states of the European Union are dually represented, as the EU is a full member of the organization.

 

[Robert5091]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...cence-plate-bike-pavement-lords-a8845051.html

Scientist and TV presenter Lord Robert Winston has called for cyclists to have licence plates as he told of being attacked by a woman he had spoken to about riding on the pavement.

The IVF pioneer said he had been kicked by the woman when he stopped her as she was cycling through Bloomsbury, central London, on Wednesday.
...
He said he was now considering introducing a private members' bill to force cyclists to have licence plates.

His call comes just days after he and other peers raised concerns at Westminster over the irresponsible behaviour of some aggressive bike riders who ignored red lights and pedestrian crossings and rode on pavements.

Lord Winston told the House of Lords: "Most cyclists are conscientious and law-abiding but an increasing number are extremely aggressive."

and to go with the article, "Cycling’s most notorious dopers" - aggression ... doping ... terrorizng people ... OMG! Cyclists are really IS! "lock them up!" "lock them up!" Meanwhile the UK has other, bigger problems I think.

 

[rick james]

the way some of the MP'S are acting(in all parties) with power grabs instead of doing what the people voted, they will lose the confidence of the people that voted, Brexit was voted for, Brexit will happen