Brits don't dope?

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deValtos said:
If I was betting it'd have to be all in on Ohuruogu surely.

However I should point out Farah did get a silver at the European champs in 2006 for 5k. Greg Rutherford also got a silver at the very same event.

Both of those names would fit the bill also.
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I'm not sure Rutherford is that 'famous', yeah he got the Gold at London but his name isn't up their with Farah and Ohurougu.

It could be Farah I guess but he didn't really do much until later on - so if he was blood doping he wasn't very good at it.
 
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There is one other. The one the London 2012 ultra hype train chose as its "face of the games".

World champion in Berlin and 4th in Osaka.
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That would be a pretty big disaster me thinks.

So bring it on. :D
 
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that is pretty damning omerta speech from Coe.
Eurosport cite him as follows:
https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news...rug-inquiry-claims-german-151644435--spt.html

Seems clear what kind of Aufklaerung IAAF and IOC have in mind.
Scapegoat style.
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"the brits are coming"

http://www.insidethegames.biz/blogs...astian-coe-co-are-proving-colin-welland-right

Yes, Britain's Sydney 2000 Olympic medals count was far better than Atlanta four years earlier; but I doubt that anyone had started dreaming seriously of the heights to which Lottery funding and the principles of No Compromise would eventually carry us.
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UK Olympic bids prior to London 2012 were all well and good, but they never seem to have had any serious prospect of winning.

Much of the country, moreover, appeared largely indifferent to this seemingly inexorable downwards drift, as if focusing on other, supposedly more important aspects of life, such as house values.
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At the first IOC Session I attended, in Moscow in 2001 (a biggie that brought us Beijing 2008, Jacques Rogge and the end of the Samaranch era), I remember being surprised when someone I slightly knew took me aside and told me, very much on the record, that if Britain didn't get its act together, it could forget about hosting the 2012 Games.
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They got their act together all right.
 
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Freddythefrog said:
"The list, seen by the Daily Telegraph and the authenticity of which has not been disputed by the IAAF, contains the names of three British competitors."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-accused-of-doping-by-German-documentary.html
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It would be better if these names, irrespective of nationality, were never released.

What it would do, if my understanding of this article is correct is place these 150 athletes in a limbo with no escape. Can't be proven to have doped and never can be exornated.

The core issue isn't wether the 150 doped, it's why the governing body didn't act and who is responsible.

No?
 
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Freddythefrog said:
"The list, seen by the Daily Telegraph and the authenticity of which has not been disputed by the IAAF, contains the names of three British competitors."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-accused-of-doping-by-German-documentary.html
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Good news. The story is headed in the right direction.

Sports federation corruption is at the heart of this. They won't sanction athletes they favor. And now we know one of the ways you gain favor is to pay off federation officials.
 
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TailWindHome said:
It would be better if these names, irrespective of nationality, were never released.

What it would do, if my understanding of this article is correct is place these 150 athletes in a limbo with no escape. Can't be proven to have doped and never can be exornated.

The core issue isn't wether the 150 doped, it's why the governing body didn't act and who is responsible.

No?
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There's no way in hell that these names won't leak out somewhere. The IAAF isn't denying the list, or the accusation that those on it, had anomalous results that weren't followed up correctly.

I agree the athletes are in an invidious position, but the blood samples still exist ( 2006 + 8 years = 2014 ), so if the athletes want to clarify matters, they can just request the samples are retested. Surely given the number of samples drawn in the last decade, the scientists have a good model for the degradation of the samples over time ?

It would also be interesting to see what happens to the blood taken before & after the athletes were flagged as possible OOC.
 
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There's no way in hell that these names won't leak out somewhere. The IAAF isn't denying the list, or the accusation that those on it, had anomalous results that weren't followed up correctly.

I agree the athletes are in an invidious position, but the blood samples still exist ( 2006 + 8 years = 2014 ), so if the athletes want to clarify matters, they can just request the samples are retested. Surely given the number of samples drawn in the last decade, the scientists have a good model for the degradation of the samples over time ?

It would also be interesting to see what happens to the blood taken before & after the athletes were flagged as possible OOC.
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Given modern test protocol will be superior to 2006, any athlete that makes this choice will probably be embarassed by the new results. The IAAF will know this.

If the IAAF does a McQuaid and just goes silent, that's the end of the story. Like the UCI, they answer to no one.
 
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TailWindHome said:
It would be better if these names, irrespective of nationality, were never released.

What it would do, if my understanding of this article is correct is place these 150 athletes in a limbo with no escape. Can't be proven to have doped and never can be exornated.

The core issue isn't wether the 150 doped, it's why the governing body didn't act and who is responsible.

No?
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It would be better if the athletes admitted their guilt. No?

It would be better if the athletes threw everyone involved in enabling their doping under the bus. No?

The athletes had a choice. No?
 
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TailWindHome said:
It would be better if these names, irrespective of nationality, were never released.

What it would do, if my understanding of this article is correct is place these 150 athletes in a limbo with no escape. Can't be proven to have doped and never can be exornated.

The core issue isn't wether the 150 doped, it's why the governing body didn't act and who is responsible.

No?
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Have you read the thread? Someone on the medical comission said it was a clear sign of doping and could not be explained any other way.

But still, never tested positive right? :rolleyes:
 
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TailWindHome said:
It would be better if these names, irrespective of nationality, were never released.

What it would do, if my understanding of this article is correct is place these 150 athletes in a limbo with no escape. Can't be proven to have doped and never can be exornated.

The core issue isn't wether the 150 doped, it's why the governing body didn't act and who is responsible.

No?
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Yes - partly. I think the basis of this story originally was about Feds / etc. covering up. Athletes will always dope / cheat / etc. - but its up to the Feds to play ball and punish them.
 
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TheSpud said:
Yes - partly. I think the basis of this story originally was about Feds / etc. covering up. Athletes will always dope / cheat / etc. - but its up to the Feds to play ball and punish them.
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Whatever happened to people making a choice? If one chooses to do the crime one has to be prepared to do the time.

Let the athletes off??? No way.

Hang the cheats and anyone that enabled them!!!
 
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Benotti69 said:
Whatever happened to people making a choice? If one chooses to do the crime one has to be prepared to do the time.

Let the athletes off??? No way.

Hang the cheats and anyone that enabled them!!!
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I agree, they are responsible. BUT lets look at the USPS situation where youngsters were bullied. Did they have a choice - in a way yes, in a way no.

My previous comment here though was that the story is about the Feds, etc. and that surely is the bigger scandal if they are complicit / covering up?
 
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I agree, they are responsible. BUT lets look at the USPS situation where youngsters were bullied. Did they have a choice - in a way yes, in a way no.

My previous comment here though was that the story is about the Feds, etc. and that surely is the bigger scandal if they are complicit / covering up?
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Look, dopers will always find a reason why it's not their fault. I agree there are some who do have legitimately have cause to say they were bullied, & we all know what a scrote Lance was.

But in the other side, when these UK athletes went the PED route, they screwed over a team mate who was clean, & missed out on lottery funding, because they were stronger & didn't just toss their morals away !
 
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It would be better if the athletes admitted their guilt. No?

It would be better if the athletes threw everyone involved in enabling their doping under the bus. No?

The athletes had a choice. No?
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Agreed. But the issue is also who do the athletes even complain to. I recall some issues when Canadian nordic skiier Beckie Scott complained at first to **** Pound re the Russian Nordic Skiiers. Pound tried at first to discredit her. Eventually she was proved right and got an olympic bronze eventually upgraded to gold. Look at Floyd when he wanted to blow the whistle, not sure he could trust the authorities to do the right thing. I seem to recall when Jerome Chiotti wanted to admit doping to win the MTB worlds in 1996 the UCI was not at all positive. He had to organize and pay for by himself a medal ceremony to award the gold to Tomas F. The Stepanov's went to Hojo Seppelt. That was probably a really good call. Also sounds like they talked to WADA. But what if they had just went to WADA, think the result would have been the same? I'm not sure that there is a safe and credible body for the sports whistleblowers to go at the moment?
 
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Freddythefrog said:
"The list, seen by the Daily Telegraph and the authenticity of which has not been disputed by the IAAF, contains the names of three British competitors."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...-accused-of-doping-by-German-documentary.html
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What I thought was interesting was the ‘target testing’ appears similar to the Iglingsky brothers if you want someone to go positive you just test them at the right time. Otherwise you test them when they are clear.
 
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keeponrollin said:
Look, dopers will always find a reason why it's not their fault. I agree there are some who do have legitimately have cause to say they were bullied, & we all know what a scrote Lance was.

But in the other side, when these UK athletes went the PED route, they screwed over a team mate who was clean, & missed out on lottery funding, because they were stronger & didn't just toss their morals away !
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I dont disagree at all. The point that was being focused on by Tailwind was the cover up element by the feds, etc. That is what I was saying I agreed with. In my view that is much worse than people deciding to dope - ie their fed (or whatever) covering up suspicions. Thst doesnt mean i think dopers should go unpunished.
 
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