Brits don't dope?

[the sceptic]

What I thought was interesting was the ‘target testing’ appears similar to the Iglingsky brothers if you want someone to go positive you just test them at the right time. Otherwise you test them when they are clear.

Even Walsh must be starting to have doubts now. It's obvious that the testing is only there for show.

At least the Lance bots didn't have this much information about how the system works. But in this day and age I feel like there is no excuse to believe in unicorns.

 

[keeponrollin]

Upon mature reflection

Hmmmm, so I did some more Magpie picking from the different English language news sites, to build up a montage of what is known.
One thing is obvious; the full 150+ list of names has been made available to any journo who wanted a look, & they all saw it, & none
of them are prepared to pick names off it yet. So I think we can be assured that the full list will appear soon, & that
the British names, at the very least, are dynamite !

I think I was a bit hasty earlier when I was trying to pick out who the superstar was. I'd assumed that the 2006-2008
timeline was when they became a 'Star'. When I read it again, I think the 'Star' part is about the here & now, & the
2006-2008 is just when they came to the attention of the IAAF, or at least, when they should have !!

This makes looking at the 'who' a much trickier exercise, & brings a lot more athletes into suspicion

I liked the 1st justification the IAAF came up with for why they didn't follow the WADA guidelines on these cases;
although, I'm sure many more reasons why the ignored the WADA guidelines will follow:

It said blood data collected before 2009 was used for target purposes to "trigger" follow-up urine tests for EPO detection and abnormal results were followed up "whenever possible logistically".

The IAAF, at least has acknowledged that it's (in)ability to be an effective anti-doping body, is totally dependent on the athletes location, & yet they've done absolutely nothing since 2006 to correct this gaping hole in their systems; I wonder why ?

Anyone for a training trip to Jamaica, or Kenya ?

 

[Electress]

Hmmmm, so I did some more Magpie picking from the different English language news sites, to build up a montage of what is known.
One thing is obvious; the full 150+ list of names has been made available to any journo who wanted a look, & they all saw it, & none
of them are prepared to pick names off it yet. So I think we can be assured that the full list will appear soon, & that
the British names, at the very least, are dynamite !

I think I was a bit hasty earlier when I was trying to pick out who the superstar was. I'd assumed that the 2006-2008
timeline was when they became a 'Star'. When I read it again, I think the 'Star' part is about the here & now, & the
2006-2008 is just when they came to the attention of the IAAF, or at least, when they should have !!

This makes looking at the 'who' a much trickier exercise, & brings a lot more athletes into suspicion

The way the mail article is written makes me think it is a woman.

 

[blackcat]

What I thought was interesting was the ‘target testing’ appears similar to the Iglingsky brothers if you want someone to go positive you just test them at the right time. Otherwise you test them when they are clear.

sounds like an anecdote, p'raps apocryphal, of Australian athletics,

there was a preturnatural phenom in the mid 90s who was dominating highjump at jnr level and then medalling at senior worlds and olympics, his name was Tim Forsythe, or Forsyth. Supposedly, as the anecdote goes, they tested him loads because of the assumption he was clean, so it got their numbers to look good. This before WADA, so it would have been for the Australian Olympic Commish, or Australian Sports Council that gives the Athletics Australia all the money.

Ask Dear Wiggo if he knows of it, or the other Australians on the forums.

He was one of the A-graders, in terms of Olympic level medallists, when track and field would have about 5 medallists and no golds, per olympics, in the better years, sometimes much less than 5, and no golds, during those decades before Sydney which was the hometown dope-fest. swimming is where it is at in Aus, and they always doped there too!

But if he did happen to test positive, or other A grade athletes test positive, they would have just swept it under the carpet.

 

[42x16ss]

sounds like an anecdote, p'raps apocryphal, of Australian athletics,

there was a preturnatural phenom in the mid 90s who was dominating highjump at jnr level and then medalling at senior worlds and olympics, his name was Tim Forsythe, or Forsyth. Supposedly, as the anecdote goes, they tested him loads because of the assumption he was clean, so it got their numbers to look good. This before WADA, so it would have been for the Australian Olympic Commish, or Australian Sports Council that gives the Athletics Australia all the money.

Ask Dear Wiggo if he knows of it, or the other Australians on the forums.

He was one of the A-graders, in terms of Olympic level medallists, when track and field would have about 5 medallists and no golds, per olympics, in the better years, sometimes much less than 5, and no golds, during those decades before Sydney which was the hometown dope-fest. swimming is where it is at in Aus, and they always doped there too!

But if he did happen to test positive, or other A grade athletes test positive, they would have just swept it under the carpet.

Mwahhaha! In the swimming and cycling programs, lets just say that the AIS pushes athletes to breaking point to see who can "cope". Those who "develop the ability" to cope with extreme training loads (particularly in the Charlie Walsh era) make the cut, while those who don't either learn the hard way, or fall by the wayside

 

[red_flanders]

Even Walsh must be starting to have doubts now.

This must be sarcastic, no?

 

[zebedee]

And red shoes!!! What could this mean?

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jessica_Ennis_100_m.jpg

 

[coinneach]

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jessica_Ennis_100_m.jpg

Now, a black athlete with white legs, surely that's taking doping too far

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

If it isn't Christine Ohurugo it would be a major surprise. We already know that she was doping in that time period and her endurance is exceptional for a 400m runner (more than any other runner over the distance I can remember), a pretty clear sign of blood doping. Seems that Ennis has already been tried and found guilty in the world of the clinic though.

 

[the sceptic]

If it isn't Christine Ohurugo it would be a major surprise. We already know that she was doping in that time period and her endurance is exceptional for a 400m runner (more than any other runner over the distance I can remember), a pretty clear sign of blood doping. Seems that Ennis has already been tried and found guilty in the world of the clinic though.

We do? What evidence do you have?

I thought you needed solid evidence before calling people dopers.

 

[zebedee]

Both have sponsorship deals with Adidas and wear red track shoes. I thought the Telegraph's photo of the legs was suggestive of a white athlete.

 

[The Hitch]

Seems that Ennis has already been tried and found guilty in the world of the clinic though.

Wow. That is some ebandit level trolling and baiting.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Multiple suspicious readings - in one case as many as six

Today's update

"It can now be revealed that three British athletes’ names appear on various types of documents, with the major star’s identity recorded under a heading ‘Suspicion red’ and a second competitor appearing under ‘Suspicion orange’.
The third athlete appears on a page headed ‘M suspicious 2007’, which includes detailed readings of the competitor’s blood values.
It can also be revealed that several of those named on the list provided multiple suspicious readings – in one case as many as six."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...es-have-been-dragged-into-doping-scandal.html

 

[TailWindHome]

Have you read the thread? Someone on the medical comission said it was a clear sign of doping and could not be explained any other way.

But still, never tested positive right?

Releasing the names now robs the athletes of any sort of due process.

Even if all 150 are guilty, the basic principles should be still upheld.


The "Never tested positive" quip has no real relevance to the point I was making.

 

[thehog]

That being the case Woodward & Bernstein would not exist. When due process fails we rely on the media to tell us the truth.

Eric Snowden? Should we not at least listen? Landis?

 

[Bronstein]

Releasing the names now robs the athletes of any sort of due process.

Even if all 150 are guilty, the basic principles should be still upheld.


The "Never tested positive" quip has no real relevance to the point I was making.

None of the athletes are appearing before any national anti-doping organisation or government court as far as I know. Therefore 'due process' is completely irrelevant.

 

[Benotti69]

Releasing the names now robs the athletes of any sort of due process.

Even if all 150 are guilty, the basic principles should be still upheld.


The "Never tested positive" quip has no real relevance to the point I was making.

Due process??? The UCI are up to the necks in it all!!! The IOC are more interested in moving money across borders untaxed and unchecked than sport. FIFA, what a joke they are. Where is this sporting due process? USADA give 6 months on one hand and no fines and on the other a lifetime ban.


When Fuentes got busted, only some cyclists got done, other sports got away scot free. Due process??? What is that in sport?

 

[TheSpud]

We do? What evidence do you have?

I thought you needed solid evidence before calling people dopers.

Well, we don't know for sure she doped. What we do know is that she served a suspension for whereabouts failures. It still counts as a doping suspension though.

Now, who else do we know who got in to trouble with their whereabouts which was just the tip of the iceberg? Cluck cluck ...

 

[TheSpud]

Due process??? The UCI are up to the necks in it all!!! The IOC are more interested in moving money across borders untaxed and unchecked than sport. FIFA, what a joke they are. Where is this sporting due process? USADA give 6 months on one hand and no fines and on the other a lifetime ban.


When Fuentes got busted, only some cyclists got done, other sports got away scot free. Due process??? What is that in sport?

I doubt the list will be published in a major newspaper from a country with tough(ish) libel laws. So we have to hope that some nice non-UK country helps us out here. That would be the countries who were the only ones to publish Kate Middletons thonged backside or topless sunbathing. The UK papers wouldn't touch that.

The Fuentes fallout was a scandal. Contador cleared but the majority of his team wasn't? No other sports (e.g. football) mentioned - even though heavy rumours surrounding the major teams. It took years to bring him to court and then they order the destruction of the blood bags ... (did that actually ever happen?).

 

[Libertine Seguros]

And red shoes!!! What could this mean?

That whoever wrote the article is, understandably, a fan of Tom Waits.

But then, everybody should be a fan of Tom Waits.

 

[yespatterns]

That whoever wrote the article is, understandably, a fan of Tom Waits.

But then, everybody should be a fan of Tom Waits.

Truest statement in the clinic.

 

[TailWindHome]

That being the case Woodward & Bernstein would not exist. When due process fails we rely on the media to tell us the truth.

Eric Snowden? Should we not at least listen? Landis?

Woodward and Bernstein knew the burglars weren't the story.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Lawyers move into overdrive !

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490


Famous British track and field star reportedly named on 'doping' list
London lawyers representing the athlete moved into overdrive to make sure their client is not named
The star British athlete is named on a list that details 150 athletes with alleged highly suspicious blood samples from 2006-08
They were not followed up with target testing by the IAAF
Three London 2012 champions are reportedly on the list as well

"....if the star’s unblemished reputation was damaged in any way by being linked with known drugs cheats....."

So I take it that rules out Christine O.

 

[thehog]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490


Famous British track and field star reportedly named on 'doping' list
London lawyers representing the athlete moved into overdrive to make sure their client is not named
The star British athlete is named on a list that details 150 athletes with alleged highly suspicious blood samples from 2006-08
They were not followed up with target testing by the IAAF
Three London 2012 champions are reportedly on the list as well

"....if the star’s unblemished reputation was damaged in any way by being linked with known drugs cheats....."

So I take it that rules out Christine O.

True reminds me of the Ryan Giggs case whereby he was finally named on Twitter and once the cat was out of the bag... it was out of the bag.

I'm sure the Daily Star will be on the case..

 

[42x16ss]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490


Famous British track and field star reportedly named on 'doping' list
London lawyers representing the athlete moved into overdrive to make sure their client is not named
The star British athlete is named on a list that details 150 athletes with alleged highly suspicious blood samples from 2006-08
They were not followed up with target testing by the IAAF
Three London 2012 champions are reportedly on the list as well

"....if the star’s unblemished reputation was damaged in any way by being linked with known drugs cheats....."

So I take it that rules out Christine O.

Mo Farah? His rate of improvement leading into the 2012 Olympics was almost up there with Froome