Brits don't dope?

[gillan1969]

That's a clever use of mirrors and smoke. So you manage to deduce from JTL's doping that Brailsford put him up to it? There are one or two facts missing so it's another of those "near-facts" in my opinion.

not really..he was JTL's performance director and JTL was the protected rider...its you who is deducing he never put him up to it..

either that or he was out on the lash with him on the Thursday night ;-)

 

[Benotti69]

That's a clever use of mirrors and smoke. So you manage to deduce from JTL's doping that Brailsford put him up to it? There are one or two facts missing so it's another of those "near-facts" in my opinion.

Brailsford has a known history of lying over doping. He lied about being with David Millar when Millar was arrested by Gendarmes.

 

[wrinklyvet]

Brailsford has a known history of lying over doping. He lied about being with David Millar when Millar was arrested by Gendarmes.

Do you have a link for that?

 

[Hawkwood]

Do you have a link for that?

I'm intrigued too, it appears to have been public knowledge since 2004 that Brailsford was in the restaurant with Millar, and I can't find anything where Brailsford denied this.

 

[bobbins]

I'm intrigued too, it appears to have been public knowledge since 2004 that Brailsford was in the restaurant with Millar, and I can't find anything where Brailsford denied this.

Brailsford has said he was there, many times.

 

[Hawkwood]

Brailsford has said he was there, many times.

Looks like he's virtually made it into one of his after dinner anecdotes.

 

[bobbins]

Looks like he's virtually made it into one of his after dinner anecdotes.

Maybe that's where he picked up his skill of looking dreamily into peoples eyes and working out if they are a doper or not.

 

[Benotti69]

Do you have a link for that?

Paul Kimmage addressed it in his big article with Brailsford at the beginning of Sky. It is also the interview where Braislford showed Kimmage 'the tome of ZTP' which as we know got junked after 1 year.

Cant link the article cos it is behind a paywall.

It is common knowledge (apparently except to Sky fans) that Brailsford did a runner soon as the French cops let him go after he was arrested with Millar and Millars sister (IIRC).

Go look back through articles at the time of David Millar's arrest and see if Brailsford is mentioned as having been with Millar at the time of the arrest and also held in a French police station for 24 hours.

 

[wrinklyvet]

Paul Kimmage addressed it in his big article with Brailsford at the beginning of Sky. It is also the interview where Braislford showed Kimmage 'the tome of ZTP' which as we know got junked after 1 year.

Cant link the article cos it is behind a paywall.

It is common knowledge (apparently except to Sky fans) that Brailsford did a runner soon as the French cops let him go after he was arrested with Millar and Millars sister (IIRC).

Go look back through articles at the time of David Millar's arrest and see if Brailsford is mentioned as having been with Millar at the time of the arrest and also held in a French police station for 24 hours.

Find me one where Brailsford lied - that is the point, not that they were dining together, which is well known. Are you saying Brailsford lied about being there (i.e. that he was not there)?

 

[Hawkwood]

Paul Kimmage addressed it in his big article with Brailsford at the beginning of Sky. It is also the interview where Braislford showed Kimmage 'the tome of ZTP' which as we know got junked after 1 year.

Cant link the article cos it is behind a paywall.

It is common knowledge (apparently except to Sky fans) that Brailsford did a runner soon as the French cops let him go after he was arrested with Millar and Millars sister (IIRC).

Go look back through articles at the time of David Millar's arrest and see if Brailsford is mentioned as having been with Millar at the time of the arrest and also held in a French police station for 24 hours.

Well according to various articles Brailsford was at the restaurant with his heavily pregnant girlfriend. I suspect he wanted to get her back to the UK asap.

 

[Hawkwood]

Paul Kimmage addressed it in his big article with Brailsford at the beginning of Sky. It is also the interview where Braislford showed Kimmage 'the tome of ZTP' which as we know got junked after 1 year.

Cant link the article cos it is behind a paywall.

It is common knowledge (apparently except to Sky fans) that Brailsford did a runner soon as the French cops let him go after he was arrested with Millar and Millars sister (IIRC).

Go look back through articles at the time of David Millar's arrest and see if Brailsford is mentioned as having been with Millar at the time of the arrest and also held in a French police station for 24 hours.

Like you I'm not interested in paying to see the Sunday Times article, however bits of it are quoted on a French site. In the French article Kimmage is quoted as saying `Je pense que vous avez agi comme quelqu'un de bien en restant aux cotes de Millar ? Biarritz.' Which I think translates roughly as `I think you did a good thing staying at Millar's side in Biarritz'.

 

[Benotti69]

Like you I'm not interested in paying to see the Sunday Times article, however bits of it are quoted on a French site. In the French article Kimmage is quoted as saying `Je pense que vous avez agi comme quelqu'un de bien en restant aux cotes de Millar ? Biarritz.' Which I think translates roughly as `I think you did a good thing staying at Millar's side in Biarritz'.

In the article Kimmage pushes and pushes Brailsford about the exact details of the arrest and Brailsford admits to lying. Brailsford says int eh article (iirc) he regrets it.

I have read that some believe Brailsford was Millars got to person for PEDs.

Fran Millar admits to knowing her brother was doping but turning a blind eye.

 

[Benotti69]

Find me one where Brailsford lied - that is the point, not that they were dining together, which is well known. Are you saying Brailsford lied about being there (i.e. that he was not there)?

If you are so interested, pay the Sunday Times for access to Kimmage's article.

 

[wrinklyvet]

If you are so interested, pay the Sunday Times for access to Kimmage's article.

Well it was you who wrote in support of the proposition that he lied. I was and I remain unaware of that. So, no thanks.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

In the article Kimmage pushes and pushes Brailsford about the exact details of the arrest and Brailsford admits to lying. Brailsford says int eh article (iirc) he regrets it.

I have read that some believe Brailsford was Millars got to person for PEDs.

Fran Millar admits to knowing her brother was doping but turning a blind eye.

Where did you read it? Who are these people who believe it? What reasons do they have for believing this? Or is this all just a load of made up rubbish as per usual?

 

[JimmyFingers]

There's always been doping in sport in the UK, cycling is no exception.

Riders have always returned from trips to Belgium with pills and phials of either vitamins or other stuff that the Belgians use so it must be good.

From experience, in the 90s there was plenty going on with cortisone, synacthen and amphets with some suggested EPO use coming in around 94/95.

Some riders were constantly at it but they weren't always winners. Mind you, those drugs didn't give such an advantage as EPO and other stuff does these days. There would never have been a Froome like transformation back in those days.

As for the Track program. I've heard rumours of sprinters taking stuff but have heard from a very good source that the track team are 100% clean.

I think that these days, the abuse in the domestic ranks is worse than it ever was. Better stuff is easier to get hold of and it seems to be more socially acceptable to take stuff to fix problems (like being slow / fat).

Testing is sparse and targeted to minimise positive tests with the odd sacrificial lamb thrown to the wolves every now and again just to show that UKADA are doing their job.

Good post, interesting read

 

[sniper]

Good post, interesting read

yes, but where does the 100% come from?
We know at least Hayles was manipulating his hematocrit, so that 100% sounds like, well, BS.
And is that source suggesting Hayles was the only doper in that medal-packed era?

British men and women dominating a sport where doping is known to make a huge difference, led by a certain Brailsford ((co)responsible for two of the most unexpected transformations in recent road cycling). Testing is a joke, antidoping officers corrupt(able).

Anybody with a sane mind would be rather skeptical of that 100% claim.

 

[Benotti69]

Where did you read it? Who are these people who believe it? What reasons do they have for believing this? Or is this all just a load of made up rubbish as per usual?

As per usual? Would that the rubbish Brailsford told us that Sky had a ZTP then hired Leinders, Yates, De Jongh, Barry, Rogers and Servais Knavens.

If Fran Millar knew her bor was doping then so did Brailsford yet Brailsford was lining Millar up for the Olympic TT.

Go figure who is rubbish.

 

[Benotti69]

Well it was you who wrote in support of the proposition that he lied. I was and I remain unaware of that. So, no thanks.

Afraid you'll find the truth.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

As per usual? Would that the rubbish Brailsford told us that Sky had a ZTP then hired Leinders, Yates, De Jongh, Barry, Rogers and Servais Knavens.

If Fran Millar knew her bor was doping then so did Brailsford yet Brailsford was lining Millar up for the Olympic TT.

Go figure who is rubbish.

Absolutely nothing you have posted there has anything whatsoever to do with what we were talking about. Try again.

 

[MatParker117]

Paul Kimmage addressed it in his big article with Brailsford at the beginning of Sky. It is also the interview where Braislford showed Kimmage 'the tome of ZTP' which as we know got junked after 1 year.

Cant link the article cos it is behind a paywall.

It is common knowledge (apparently except to Sky fans) that Brailsford did a runner soon as the French cops let him go after he was arrested with Millar and Millars sister (IIRC).

Go look back through articles at the time of David Millar's arrest and see if Brailsford is mentioned as having been with Millar at the time of the arrest and also held in a French police station for 24 hours.

Here ya go:

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/gaumont-watches-from-a-distance-8925/

Arrested by French police in the spring over doping offences, he sang like a canary, listing products, naming names. His decision set in motion a sequence of events that may not be concluded yet, but that almost certainly led the French drugs squad to David Millar's door, and to a restaurant table in Biarritz, where the world time trial champion was taken into police custody as he dined with Team GB coach, Dave Brailsford.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Here ya go:

http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/gaumont-watches-from-a-distance-8925/

Rofl, no doubt a Benotti apology will soon follow.

 

[wrinklyvet]

Afraid you'll find the truth.

Well, how about the apology, now the article has been found that was contemporaneous and mentions Brailsford was at the dinner? How did he lie about that? That is what you alleged.

 

[sniper]

Well, how about the apology, now the article has been found that was contemporaneous and mentions Brailsford was at the dinner? How did he lie about that? That is what you alleged.

how does that article contradict that he lied about it?

 

[sniper]

Where did you read it? Who are these people who believe it? What reasons do they have for believing this? Or is this all just a load of made up rubbish as per usual?

link please.

and what reasons do you have to believe braislford wasn't millar's supplier?
it sounds like a plausible story.
well at the very least it's possible, even you have to admit, so i don't understand on what grounds you dismiss it as 'rubbish'.