Bruyneel - Sour grapes or what

[mastersracer]

Zulle is an admitted doper - Armstrong attacked him to preserve the integrity of the sport. Or maybe the other way around...

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Armstrong wasn't considered a threat for his first tour. Remember, he was just a classics rider.

no he wasn't he was 4th in the vuelta the year before and wearing yellow

 

[scribe]

A classics rider who had just finished fourth at the Vuelta behind three of the top GC riders of the day and several minutes ahead of Zulle. This classics rider had somehow suddenly transformed into a GC contender.

But that Vuelta was just a wiggans fluke. And any top rolieur would win the prologue.

 

[pedaling squares]

But that Vuelta was just a wiggans fluke. And any top rolieur would win the prologue.

Better add a smiley to that post, people might think you're serious.

 

[outrage9]

Bruyneel could have been the Phil Jackson of cycling if he had had the good sense to realize that Lance's time had past, and kept his wagon hitched to Contador after last year's Tour instead of following Lance to Radio Shack. When Jackson was forced to choose between the rising superstar Kobe Bryant and the fading superstar Shaquille O'Neal, he chose Bryant. Jackson also had the good sense to not try to reunite with Michael Jordan when he came out out of retirement.

I think RS was only great timing/luck on his part, JB was leaving Astana regardless with Vino coming back whether on his own or forced.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Same reason Chavanel did this past year @ Spa. No one really cared because he was just a classics rider, right?

You're becoming just another Polish.

 

[scribe]

You're just a less effective combination of FFT and Race Radio.

 

[Mellow Velo]

So, we finally have found a winning race tactic that came from the Hog handbook, but for some strange reason, the fanbois aren't rushing to claim it as an innovation in the sport from their master?

It certainly beats reconning snowed up mountain passes, when the Eurotrash are out, racin'.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

You're just a less effective combination of FFT and Race Radio.

Thanks!

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

You're just a less effective combination of FFT and Race Radio.

 

[soOpOSMthanks!]

Didn't have a GC rider who could keep up with the others. Is that an unreasonable excuse? With a team routinely ridiculed as weak and over the hill, still won the team classification against some strong competition. Whether he's smart or not depends on your POV.



Given those quotes apply to the time when he won 7 Tours, I'm guessing it helped him a lot.

Not that I think those quotes should be believed*, but did Bruyneel really roll out these quotes this year? (for all I know he did, but I'd love to see the original interview).

*I'm sure Bruyneel or somebody else said these things, I believe that. Just saying that the quotes themselves are obviously PR from the past, and I'm not sure JB would have rolled those words out again this year.

I find it hard to take someone seriously when they can't even differentiate your/you're.

 

[lucybears]

The master !
"Ok people! Now it's official! To be a race commisar, you don't need brains"

 

[El Pistolero]

I find it hard to take someone seriously when they can't even differentiate your/you're.

Not everyone has English as their native language. Keep that in mind will ya

 

[hrotha]

Not everyone has English as their native language. Keep that in mind will ya

In my experience, that's the kind of mistake a native speaker makes.

That's why I'm quite proud of myself when I get there, they're and their confused, although I'm still a bit horrified right afterwards and proceed to correct the mistake posthaste.

 

[oncehadhair]

Armstrong's TT position has been extensively honed in the wind tunnel and is absolutely the most aero position ever achieved by a hunchback.

Steady Hugh I suspect there's a couple of posters on this forum who don't cope very well with sarcasm.

 

[oncehadhair]

That never happened.

In the 1995 TdF, Indurain attacked on the way to Liege. It wasn't a mountain stage, it was similar to this year's Spa stage I guess. Bruyneel was already ahead of the peloton. When Indurain caught him, Bruyneel naturally didn't cooperate, as his leaders Zülle and Jalabert were behind. And, of course, he had no reason not to try to win the stage.

That's the only time it happened, and Bruyneel was perfectly justified to do it.

I watched the finish to that stage quite recently (found an old tape) and it is one of the things that galls me about cycling. I have always disliked Bruyneel because of that incident yet when Hincapie sat on all day then won a stage a few years ago I could justify it because for once he wasn't being forced to do LA's bidding.

I have been in small groups away in bike races and it ****es me off when some wheelsuckker who hasn't done a turn for 100 ks sprints through to take the win.

This year Contador allowed Schleck to win the stage after Schleck did all the work when they both escaped. A much more honourable thing to do.

 

[outrage9]

I watched the finish to that stage quite recently (found an old tape) and it is one of the things that galls me about cycling. I have always disliked Bruyneel because of that incident yet when Hincapie sat on all day then won a stage a few years ago I could justify it because for once he wasn't being forced to do LA's bidding.

I have been in small groups away in bike races and it ****es me off when some wheelsuckker who hasn't done a turn for 100 ks sprints through to take the win.

This year Contador allowed Schleck to win the stage after Schleck did all the work when they both escaped. A much more honourable thing to do.

I really think this had more to do with chaingate than Andy pulling him up. I really feel that AC should have waxed him in the last 1k, assuming he could, and took a stage this year since he knew he wouldn't get away with beating Fabian in the TT again.

 

[hrotha]

I watched the finish to that stage quite recently (found an old tape) and it is one of the things that galls me about cycling. I have always disliked Bruyneel because of that incident yet when Hincapie sat on all day then won a stage a few years ago I could justify it because for once he wasn't being forced to do LA's bidding.

I have been in small groups away in bike races and it ****es me off when some wheelsuckker who hasn't done a turn for 100 ks sprints through to take the win.

This year Contador allowed Schleck to win the stage after Schleck did all the work when they both escaped. A much more honourable thing to do.

Andy didn't do all the work, Andy was trying his hardest to drop Contador, which is a bit different. As outrage9 said, it probably had a lot to do with Chaingate. Under normal circumstances, what Contador should have done is attack to try to win the stage. Some gifts are alright and show class, others don't make sense.

As for Bruyneel, what do you suggest he should have done? Take pulls? Or let go from Indurain's wheel deliberately, since he couldn't cooperate nor apparently attempt to win the stage? I don't see the issue here.

 

[Hugh Januss]

In my experience, that's the kind of mistake a native speaker makes.

That's why I'm quite proud of myself when I get there, they're and their confused, although I'm still a bit horrified right afterwards and proceed to correct the mistake posthaste.

We may not know who they are, but we know they're all there in their places.

 

[Neworld]

Didn't have a GC rider who could keep up with the others. Is that an unreasonable excuse? With a team routinely ridiculed as weak and over the hill, still won the team classification against some strong competition. Whether he's smart or not depends on your POV.



Given those quotes apply to the time when he won 7 Tours, I'm guessing it helped him a lot.

Not that I think those quotes should be believed*, but did Bruyneel really roll out these quotes this year? (for all I know he did, but I'd love to see the original interview).

*I'm sure Bruyneel or somebody else said these things, I believe that. Just saying that the quotes themselves are obviously PR from the past, and I'm not sure JB would have rolled those words out again this year.

JB and his quotes winning 7 tours? Well there is a MASSIVE question mark beside those tour now isn't there!

Those JB quotes were not necessarily from this year, more like from the last 10 yrs, he shouldn't have lost those/his DS attributes just in the years he loses right?

I think that JB and his winning prowess should be viewed with a great deal of skepticism given all of the recent allegations, and, that is intimately related to his character as being discussed in this thread.

NW

 

[Neworld]

That never happened.

In the 1995 TdF, Indurain attacked on the way to Liege. It wasn't a mountain stage, it was similar to this year's Spa stage I guess. Bruyneel was already ahead of the peloton. When Indurain caught him, Bruyneel naturally didn't cooperate, as his leaders Zülle and Jalabert were behind. And, of course, he had no reason not to try to win the stage.

That's the only time it happened, and Bruyneel was perfectly justified to do it.

Thank you, I could be wrong. My memory doesn't recall that but I've been wrong before. I will go and watch it again ... I don't want to disseminate negative/inaccurate information.

NW

 

[mastersracer]

I find it hard to take someone seriously when they can't even differentiate your/you're.

Hey kettle, I find it hard to take someone seriously when he or she creates pronoun-antecedent agreement problems.

 

[Deagol]

Bruyneel is a smart guy and knows what he is talking about. .

Yes , as evidenced by this quote:

"I hope that our victory in the teams classification in the Tour de France may be an answer to the organizers of the Vuelta. It feels bitter: the best team in the world's hardest race not being invited to participate at the Vuelta.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/three-stagiaires-for-radioshack

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Yes , as evidenced by this quote:

"I hope that our victory in the teams classification in the Tour de France may be an answer to the organizers of the Vuelta. It feels bitter: the best team in the world's hardest race not being invited to participate at the Vuelta.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/three-stagiaires-for-radioshack

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA @ Bruyneel

 

[Cerberus]

Yes , as evidenced by this quote:

"I hope that our victory in the teams classification in the Tour de France may be an answer to the organizers of the Vuelta. It feels bitter: the best team in the world's hardest race not being invited to participate at the Vuelta.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/three-stagiaires-for-radioshack

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