I only voted for 3 - 4 minutes. I think Plateau de Beille will be the last climb where he will gain time on quintana because I don't expect a superstrong froome in the alps any more, just like 2013
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Well he said that was the plan, but then he got the message that rivals were struggling so he told Porte and Thomas to nail it, and rightly so.
cellardoor said:Pricey_sky said:
Didn't he also say he was going to be defensive today?
Well he said that was the plan, but then he got the message that rivals were struggling so he told Porte and Thomas to nail it, and rightly so.
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I think the plan was always to attack today, I think they specifically targeted this stage from Brailsford's post race comments.
Pricey_sky said:cellardoor said:Pricey_sky said:
Didn't he also say he was going to be defensive today?
Well he said that was the plan, but then he got the message that rivals were struggling so he told Porte and Thomas to nail it, and rightly so.
I think the plan was always to attack today, I think they specifically targeted this stage from Brailsford's post race comments.
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Agreed. Anything else that came out of their mouths was mostly to manage expectations and ease the pressure on the team to perform.
del1962 said:
Agreed. Anything else that came out of their mouths was mostly to manage expectations and ease the pressure on the team to perform.
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Froome is good in long stages, in long climbs and in the third week.
Nairo is a better climber, a pure cliber, and as the mountain stage goes he will be better, and I think he will be better some days than froome, but some days Froome will put more time to him.
Nairo is young and I think he could beat Froome some year, but he has to wait. he is a big talent, but froome as well and more complete and when you are complete in the foirst mountain stage you beat pure climbers.
Fernandez said:
Froome is good in long stages, in long climbs and in the third week.
Nairo is a better climber, a pure cliber, and as the mountain stage goes he will be better, and I think he will be better some days than froome, but some days Froome will put more time to him.
Nairo is young and I think he could beat Froome some year, but he has to wait. he is a big talent, but froome as well and more complete and when you are complete in the foirst mountain stage you beat pure climbers.
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Quintana should be strongest in the final week, but he needs to stop the time bleeding now, so that the time doesn't become impossible to gain back. That's what went wrong in 2013
How so?Taxus4a said:
Quintana should be strongest in the final week, but he needs to stop the time bleeding now, so that the time doesn't become impossible to gain back. That's what went wrong in 2013
Final week starts in 3 days. There isn't going to be a 1min improvement in such a short time period.
Froome is the best climber in the world and planned to peak for week 3
Froome is the best climber in the world and planned to peak for week 3
With Quintana the difference wont be big, maybe 3 or 4 minutes, but with the rest yes, very big. He is crearly the best, but we knew that before the race.
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I dont think so, I think Quintana is a bettr climber, and maybe others.
You cant say that the rider that better climb in an stage after the forst climb with just one final climb is the best climber, he showed he is the best of le Tour, but not the best climber.
Froome is peaking all these days till the end, but quintana as well, and a pure climber need some mountains stages in the legs of everybody and stages with more than one climb to show his potential.
if you think that Pinot, Bardet, Purito,... has showed today his potential in the mountains and that Domoulin is a better climber you are wrong.
With Thomas I have my doubts, maybe he is a new Valverde, and that is not easy, but he has a similar story. But for him of course tha forst week is aesy than for other riders.
In the stage of the pave we didnt see differences, but we see that differences today, becouse not everybody get the same tired that day and other days, even the "easy" days
damian13ster said:
I dont think so, I think Quintana is a bettr climber, and maybe others.
You cant say that the rider that better climb in an stage after the forst climb with just one final climb is the best climber, he showed he is the best of le Tour, but not the best climber.
Froome is peaking all these days till the end, but quintana as well, and a pure climber need some mountains stages in the legs of everybody and stages with more than one climb to show his potential.
if you think that Pinot, Bardet, Purito,... has showed today his potential in the mountains and that Domoulin is a better climber you are wrong.
With Thomas I have my doubts, maybe he is a new Valverde, and that is not easy, but he has a similar story. But for him of course tha forst week is aesy than for other riders.
In the stage of the pave we didnt see differences, but we see that differences today, becouse not everybody get the same tired that day and other days, even the "easy" days
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You as reiterated several times when anyone point to Contador being an ex doper stripped of titles =l take this to the clinic
Its kinda pathetic that the only answer to SKY performance is to allude to doping with no proof
I guess if you are not happy its an easy way to point a finger and murky the achievement
Jancouver said:Voted "He will not win" as he will hopefully get busted before its over
You as reiterated several times when anyone point to Contador being an ex doper stripped of titles =l take this to the clinic
Its kinda pathetic that the only answer to SKY performance is to allude to doping with no proof
I guess if you are not happy its an easy way to point a finger and murky the achievement
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Quintana is at his maximum, he will not get better in my opinion (in his career, not talking about strength in week 3). I think Zakarin will be able to match Froome if he is allowed to.
Taxus4a said:
Quintana is at his maximum, he will not get better in my opinion (in his career, not talking about strength in week 3). I think Zakarin will be able to match Froome if he is allowed to.
well - if SKY follows the 2013 script - I expect Froome to fade (cough "fake" cough) in the Alps & give away a minute or two to Quintanita, so I'd say 7 minutes +- is a fair guess
so Top 5 will be like:
1-) Froome
2-) Quintanita = 7:45
3-) G = 7:50
4-) Porte = 7:55
5) Contador = 22:35
so Top 5 will be like:
1-) Froome
2-) Quintanita = 7:45
3-) G = 7:50
4-) Porte = 7:55
5) Contador = 22:35
The only things stopping Froome now are the AFLD, a Nancy Kerrigan/Tonya Harding style incident or, I dunno, maybe Froome being blown off the side of the Alpe all the way to Lake Annecy by a freak gust of wind. Heck, even Froome's own kind returning to Earth to reclaim him is more likely than anyone here beating him now.
He'll keep the winning margin to about the same as Nibali's last year, to keep the questions down.
He'll keep the winning margin to about the same as Nibali's last year, to keep the questions down.
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How can Porte finish fourth? He already lost more than 45 minutes! G may possibly finish 3rd, but not 5secs behind Quintana.hfer07 said:well - if SKY follows the 2013 script - I expect Froome to fade (cough "fake" cough) in the Alps & give away a minute or two to Quintanita, so I'd say 7 minutes +- is a fair guess
so Top 5 will be like:
1-) Froome
2-) Quintanita = 7:45
3-) G = 7:50
4-) Porte = 7:55
5) Contador = 22:35
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