Cameras lingering on the aftermath of accidents: Informative and Reassuring, or Tasteless and Unnecessary?

[noob]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1775946010285466032

View: https://twitter.com/petatodd/status/1775946010285466032


I obviously don't agree. Yes it's fact that watching on TV can cause PTSD but this could easily happen even as a mistake since choppers won't know from the second they film something what it is they are filming. Just like they accidentally film male genitalia now and then they might pick up a dead person. Watching cycling can definitely give people ptsd.

(Again just facts of how the brain works.) I didn't get a feeling of capitalizing on people today, just journalism trying to describe what happened while people ran around screaming that they shouldn't film it while watching it. But then again I heard no weird music or even thought about the reruns. I was more invested in watching for signs of life and injuries.

I guess those more focused on the morals didn't have as much empathy going on as some of us so caught up in worrying we had no time to rage?

Isn't it interesting that those signaling empathy proved they were less so?

Am I mean?

 

[Gargamel35]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1775946010285466032

View: https://twitter.com/petatodd/status/1775946010285466032


I obviously don't agree. Yes it's fact that watching on TV can cause PTSD but this could easily happen even as a mistake since choppers won't know from the second they film something what it is they are filming. Just like they accidentally film male genitalia now and then they might pick up a dead person.

(Again just facts of how the brain works.) I didn't get a feeling of capitalizing on people today, just journalism trying to describe what happened while people ran around screaming that they shouldn't film it while watching it.

This is plain stupid. She has the power to turn the tv OFF. No need to watch it, if it causes her agony. Snowflake world.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Someone get Michelle Froome on the line for a hot take

El Perro might've been of actual use today tbf, everyone in the bunch looked like they'd not seen too many winters, nobody really wanted to step forward.

 

[noob]

Someone get Michelle Froome on the line for a hot take

I'd be curious to hear from Trine! She's also working with media and her mom was semi famous already before he got famous so I guess she might have an opinion. And possibly be more realistic about it?

 

[ManicJack]

This is plain stupid. She has the power to turn the tv OFF. No need to watch it, if it causes her agony. Snowflake world.

I wonder if she thought the same way when her husbands action could have killed someone?

 

[Lequack]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1775946010285466032

View: https://twitter.com/petatodd/status/1775946010285466032


I obviously don't agree. Yes it's fact that watching on TV can cause PTSD but this could easily happen even as a mistake since choppers won't know from the second they film something what it is they are filming. Just like they accidentally film male genitalia now and then they might pick up a dead person. Watching cycling can definitely give people ptsd.

(Again just facts of how the brain works.) I didn't get a feeling of capitalizing on people today, just journalism trying to describe what happened while people ran around screaming that they shouldn't film it while watching it. But then again I heard no weird music or even thought about the reruns. I was more invested in watching for signs of life and injuries.

I guess those more focused on the morals didn't have as much empathy going on as some of us so caught up in worrying we had no time to rage?

Isn't it interesting that those signaling empathy proved they were less so?

Am I mean?

Chris Horner also chiming in

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYwqnq6nQvU

 

[noob]

Chris Horner also chiming in

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYwqnq6nQvU

Rarely do I cry when watching Horner but today I did. That was powerful and real AF!

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Discovery + have not made today's stage available for on demand viewing, even several hours later when it is known (thankfully) that no rider is in mortal danger. They say that there will be highlights made available, but no word as to when.

 

[noob]

Discovery + have not made today's stage available for on demand viewing, even several hours later when it is known (thankfully) that no rider is in mortal danger. They that there will be highlights made available, but no word as to when.

And yet people complain that they're trying to make money from it. Maybe the people complaining they're filming to try to make money from it are the people trying to make money from it.

 

[wansteadimp]

Discovery + have not made today's stage available for on demand viewing, even several hours later when it is known (thankfully) that no rider is in mortal danger. They say that there will be highlights made available, but no word as to when.

Yep, which absolutely freaked me out when I got in from work without knowing anything.

F*** F*** F*** not again - no stage I assumed the worst.

Was very relieved to find everyone was alive.

 

[Netserk]

Yeah, the link to today's stage is dead: https://www.discoveryplus.com/gb/vi...-sport/itzulia-basque-country-stage-4-6450986

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Yep, which absolutely freaked me out when I got in from work without knowing anything.

F*** F*** F*** not again - no stage I assumed the worst.

Was very relieved to find everyone was alive.

And yet their stated reason for not having the race available is riders injured with no information on their status. "Home of Cycling"???

 

[hayneplane]

Discovery + have not made today's stage available for on demand viewing, even several hours later when it is known (thankfully) that no rider is in mortal danger. They say that there will be highlights made available, but no word as to when.

I had tried to find it on there to watch having avoided finding out the results of the stage. I feared the worst on seeing no results for it and then looking on YouTube.

Hope all the riders can make full recoveries. Sucks for us that the dream TDF is in tatters but honestly that is a very distant second to the health of those who crashed so hard.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Chris Horner also chiming in

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYwqnq6nQvU

Disgusting to hear that news organisations were hassling his partner (now wife) for updates while his condition was unknown (including to her)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1775995473305772094

View: https://twitter.com/HansenAdam/status/1775995473305772094

I'm not necessarily given to agreeing with Hansen, but it does seem a very basic expectation that teams have NoK's details available and keep them abreast ahead of media.

 

[noob]

Disgusting to hear that news organisations were hassling his partner (now wife) for updates while his condition was unknown (including to her)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1775995473305772094

View: https://twitter.com/HansenAdam/status/1775995473305772094

I'm not necessarily given to agreeing with Hansen, but it does seem a very basic expectation that teams have NoK's details available and keep them abreast ahead of media.

I'm thinking those next to the rider will be focused on saving the rider and can't be concerned with contacting loved ones. It's not realistic to get live updates through telephone imo. Journalists filming could be that link as long as they don't get away of the helping?

Seeing is more reassuring than being told?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I'm thinking those next to the rider will be focused on saving the rider and can't be concerned with contacting loved ones. It's not realistic to get live updates through telephone imo. Journalists filming could be that link as long as they don't get away of the helping?

Seeing is more reassuring than being told?

I'm hoping that medical teams rather than DSes and mechanics will be focussed on saving the rider.

 

[Brullnux]

I'm thinking those next to the rider will be focused on saving the rider and can't be concerned with contacting loved ones. It's not realistic to get live updates through telephone imo. Journalists filming could be that link as long as they don't get away of the helping?

Seeing is more reassuring than being told?

Sure, but I doubt the team manager will be that helpful in saving the rider. Also, I don't think seeing is more reassuring – images can easily mislead. We should be able to expect a principal etc not to underplay the injury. I think Hansen is right that team cars should be in contact with riders' next of kin, and it's odd if they aren't already.

 

[noob]

I'm hoping that medical teams rather than DSes and mechanics will be focussed on saving the rider.

yes definitely but from where they sit will they have as good a view as the chopper?

 

[Brullnux]

It's a difficult discussion and I don't think there is a right answer, but I would say for me the insensitive bit kicks in when the filming seems more for kicks/drama than care or interest in the rider's condition. If it begins to feel gratuitous, basically.

There's no rule for that when that might be, though, so it will be up for each broadcaster/director/cameraman in each specific situation. I very much understand that seeing someone conscious and well after a bad crash can be a relief, but I also felt today's filming was a bit excessive.

 

[noob]

Sure, but I doubt the team manager will be that helpful in saving the rider. Also, I don't think seeing is more reassuring – images can easily mislead. We should be able to expect a principal etc not to underplay the injury. I think Hansen is right that team cars should be in contact with riders' next of kin, and it's odd if they aren't already.

I guess for me I'd rather use my eyes. I'd trust them more. But I might be in the minority.

 

[Ricco']

I'm thinking those next to the rider will be focused on saving the rider and can't be concerned with contacting loved ones. It's not realistic to get live updates through telephone imo. Journalists filming could be that link as long as they don't get away of the helping?

Seeing is more reassuring than being told?

Not to speak that these riders live international lifes. Most have significant others living with them abroad, their parents, grandparents, etc., could be in their home countries, either teams have multiple contacts and they do nothing instead calling up relatives, or the problem remains the same for some concerned people with the rider. Be it their family, or their fans.

And what can Adam Hansen do? Who is he to direct what the television will broadcast? They just need to have common sense and follow the national legislation, as I doubt any UCI regs would apply to third party tv producers.

It just feels that every fight for safety is centered around Hansen's person and his personal views. Just because it was this way with him, that's how it should be from now on, what an ego driven way of acting.

 

[Nick2413]

I was in a life threatening crash, not in a race, but I know my family would have wanted any footage they could get and I personally feel the same and take no offense to it being broadcast. Just my opinion.

 

[zlev11]

discovery/max not putting up the replay is ridiculous. there was still a race, nobody is even seriously injured. it feels like such an overreaction. are they gonna censor every race that has a big crash now?

 

[nightowl]

discovery/max not putting up the replay is ridiculous. there was still a race, nobody is even seriously injured. it feels like such an overreaction. are they gonna censor every race that has a big crash now?

I’m sure it won’t be long before they’re using footage of the crash accompanied by some dramatic music to advertise their race broadcasts though…

 

[Oldermanish]

I’m sure it won’t be long before they’re using footage of the crash accompanied by some dramatic music to advertise their race broadcasts though…

They had many repeats of Beloki's unfortunate crash. But they were so busy pimping their chosen advertising donkey and his "skillful" off road avoidance to the wreck they needed to show it repeatedly.