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Two years ago, Cance stated it once that he moves his focus to other monuments (LBL/GDL). But in the meantime, things have changed. Probably, had he collected monument wins in 2011 and 2012, it would be more likely.
But why at the age of 32 (talking 2013) trying an experiment with an unsecure outcome and thereby risking to lose what you are currently good and at world's top level? I think he just has too much fun at riding one day classics.
He has shown that he has excellent capabilites to focus on one day races, such as Olympics or classics. A three week race is so distant and different. No doubt, he has the mental and physical capabilites to move his focus, but a crash, puncture or other unlucky things or a jour sans can destroy it in a second. Both is difficult, winning a GT GC and a monument, but for a GT GC win it needs also an incredible amount of luck.
On the other hand, it would be great to see Cance losing weight while keeping his ITT capabilites and becoming a strong GC rider. It is really sometimes difficult to understand how riders like Indurain, Rominger, Zülle, Armstrong, Evans, Froome or Wiggins can be world class in ITT, GC and consequently also climbing, while others can't. At the end, I thought, it's just about power and endurance. But it isn't, obviously...
But why at the age of 32 (talking 2013) trying an experiment with an unsecure outcome and thereby risking to lose what you are currently good and at world's top level? I think he just has too much fun at riding one day classics.
He has shown that he has excellent capabilites to focus on one day races, such as Olympics or classics. A three week race is so distant and different. No doubt, he has the mental and physical capabilites to move his focus, but a crash, puncture or other unlucky things or a jour sans can destroy it in a second. Both is difficult, winning a GT GC and a monument, but for a GT GC win it needs also an incredible amount of luck.
On the other hand, it would be great to see Cance losing weight while keeping his ITT capabilites and becoming a strong GC rider. It is really sometimes difficult to understand how riders like Indurain, Rominger, Zülle, Armstrong, Evans, Froome or Wiggins can be world class in ITT, GC and consequently also climbing, while others can't. At the end, I thought, it's just about power and endurance. But it isn't, obviously...
Zam_Olyas said:
Cancellara is a much better and complete rider, he has other goals (monuments, classics). But Tony? he is very talented as well, and he only has to lose 10kg, wig go had to lose 20.
so tony no only can, but also he should win a tour without breaking a sweat.
c&cfan said:Cancellara is a much better and complete rider, he has other goals (monuments, classics). But Tony? he is very talented as well, and he only has to lose 10kg, wig go had to lose 20.
so tony no only can, but also he should win a tour without breaking a sweat.
Everything is possible is the sport of pro cycling, great tter can become good climber and great climber can become good tter...all you need is dedication and focus.
Don't be late Pedro said:
But the situation wasn't that he went the mountain up second fastest. He was in the breakaway and survived ahead of top names (Contador, Armstrong, Schlecks)
Although Garate was beat him for the stage win, it was a good performance by him, he beat one rider from the same break who has since won mountaintop stage. (Riblon)
c&cfan said:
clarification for people who seem not able to decode my hasty posts with plenty of omissions and errors (sorry for that):
Obviously, the word "GC" was missing between "strong" and "rider"... - now edited/corrected
Snilla said:
Sure but you have to move to team SKY
if Cancellara or Peter Sagan move to SKY, they definitely can be the new
eddy merckx
maxmartin said:
Let's make sure this thread must not be moved to the clinic. Although such transformations in Wiggo or Jalabert style are obviously highly related to clinic stuff. Same as altitude training, which according to some articles (Ashenden etc.) are only here to obfuscate and camouflage doping...Sorry, didn't want to hijack the thread. Forgive me guys. It's late and I can't get any sleep.
Interestingly, Boonen and Cancellara (afaik) don't do any altitude trash but are nevertheless on word class level... hmm... ok, seems anyway to be rather a thing for GC riders and not classics hunters, though Albasini does it as well, sleeping on the Säntis and training low.
la.margna said:
i would not throw altitude training all out, it is widely used in endurance training in swimming and long distance running, i doubt altitude training is just a camouflage. But for sure it probably won't work for anyone and for Classics there is not high mountain climbing, so probably they don't need altitude training at all. And i will count Albasini as a climber. BTW, it is only 4PM in CA.
Wiggins and Froome managed to gain ****tons of power while losing 11 kilograms so I cant see why Cancellara and Martin couldnt .
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Lol, altitude training is bogus. Might as well take sugar pills and pretend it's epo for the same effect.
El Pistolero said:
It's not bogus, it's just not 'natural EPO' like some people like to pretend.
vcampbell said:
He said winning the Tour was a dream of his while winning all the monuments is a goal. He recognizes which is based in reality and which will continue to be just a fantasy.
Angliru said:
With SKY, sky is the limit. Cancellara should seriously consider SKY as the next team.
El Pistolero said:
Interesting. You might like to tell that to the Etheopian/Kenyan/Tanzanian long distance runners.
or in a practical sense Yak herders of Nepal who double up as Himalayan sherpas.
in anticipation of you saying 'yes but that's not cycling', ok then try the Columbian mountain goats.
All the above living/working/training at or above altitude.
Still think it's the same as your little sugar pills?!
Btw, here the old article where Cancellara is quoted from a Velo Mag article where he talked about focusing on LBL and GDL for 2011 (article from 2010).
Interestingly, how he swiftly moved away from that thoughts again.
And yes, imagine, he moved to SKY, he would FLY.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cancellara-says-contador-signing-prompted-saxo-bank-departure
Interestingly, how he swiftly moved away from that thoughts again.
And yes, imagine, he moved to SKY, he would FLY.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cancellara-says-contador-signing-prompted-saxo-bank-departure
Don't think neither Martin nor Cancellara should lose weight. Both are power riders who highly depend on their muscular legs.
If they do lose overal weight, they will only lose their strength, too.
Wiggins is an exception. Losing that much weight without losing power.
If they do lose overal weight, they will only lose their strength, too.
Wiggins is an exception. Losing that much weight without losing power.
By the whay, iam sure Tony could have battled for top 10 this year if he was healthy. If van Garderen can constest, so could have Tony.
Bavarianrider said:
Tejay is doing well, but he tends to slip-off the back when the pressures on over the top of a big climb. OK when you can chase, but tomorrow will be other story on the final. I think he will loose his baby fat and become a better climber in the coming years. Not Tony's year for the Tour which is really unfortunate.
Gold Medal. ITT?
Zam_Olyas said:
I was gonna say, there is a ton of research on the subject. It has to do with the increase in blood capillary density in the muscles and increase in hemoglobin. However, there is potential to do too much altitude training. In that situation your body will begin to break down muscle mass so that you have an even higher blood capillary to muscle cell ratio.
Also, I though that Fabs had already tried this. Maybe I'm wrong, but I am 99% sure I heard that someone convinced him that he had worn yellow so much that he had potential to go for GC.
No, I would definitely not like Fabian or Tony to become aggressive, arrogant *** and look down on everyone else, while at the same time alternating between horrible haircuts and ridiculous sideburns.
...Oh, you mean losing 10kg while improving their power? They're in the wrong team for that aren't they .
...Oh, you mean losing 10kg while improving their power? They're in the wrong team for that aren't they
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Dr Cicchi said Cancellara could win if he lost weight. Or was it Sassi or Ferrari?
And see Tony Martin's first tour with High Road.
Both could do a Wiggins with weight loss. no doubt. Both are naturally more talented chrono riders, and Martin better on the climbs. I think Canc would be a better climber, undoubtedly, if he went to 74 kg.
And see Tony Martin's first tour with High Road.
Both could do a Wiggins with weight loss. no doubt. Both are naturally more talented chrono riders, and Martin better on the climbs. I think Canc would be a better climber, undoubtedly, if he went to 74 kg.
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