Cancellara, ungraceful loser.

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Cimber said:
Even so you never ever ride against a team-mate (Boonen could learn from that btw). It was a ****ty position for Thor himself but he had to respect that he had a team-mate in the break who was feeling super. If he had helped to bridge the gap and then got dropped ppl would be over him like flies on a turd.

Oh and even without a monument Hushovds results during his carreer is something most riders could only dream for.

I never suggested he chase down his teammate., he did everything right (as far as his team is concerned). It doesn't change the fact that he was in the form of his life yesterday, and circumstances behind him gave him a great opportunity to win the race. I don't think he will have as good a chance again, as he did with about 40km to go yesterday.

Evans has also had a great career, but will never win the one race he desired above all others, same goes for Thor.
 
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Ferminal said:
I never suggested he chase down his teammate., he did everything right (as far as his team is concerned). It doesn't change the fact that he was in the form of his life yesterday, and circumstances behind him gave him a great opportunity to win the race. I don't think he will have as good a chance again, as he did with about 40km to go yesterday.

Evans has also had a great career, but will never win the one race he desired above all others, same goes for Thor.

I agree, but really there was nothing Thor could do about it. He had to stay in Fabians wheel.

I dont think this was the last chance for Thor. PRB is a race where older riders tend to do well and Thor still have some years left in him where he can ride for the win in PRB.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
And all the other years then???

Oh yeah.

If it was me the first story i would be telling is how in the TDF i tought this little British whining ***** a lesson on how to win the green Jersey
 
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Need some cheese with that whine Fabian. Waah. He acts like he is the only rider in history that has ever been marked. Talk to Contador. He is the most watched guy in the peloton and still wins. HE has a lousy team and wins. His own team tries to beat him and he still wins. He is also smarter than them all. Knows when to go and does it. Case closed. Get over yourself you whiny b!tch Fabian. He is stronger than the rest but STUPID.
 
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Fabian IS an ungracefiul loser. If Thor and Alessandro and Juan Antonio had worked with him, they probably would've caught Van Summeren, and then they would've lost when Fabian launched his attack at 3k to go.

The only way any of those guys could've won if Fabian had towed them all the way up to the leaders and in the process wearing himself out so much that he COULDN'T attack.

Fabian refuses to recognize that, and instead makes his coffee remark.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
I have that race on video kids. You'll never see me, except on the final 200 meters

being on the toughest part of the climb at geelong, I can tell you that Hushovd worked his a$s of to keep in contact (wasn't following anyone at that point either), he came over about 8th or 9th and and I remember thinking how good he looked.

It was a gutsy win imo.
Not a cav-tow-me-to-the-line-win.
 
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veganrob said:
Need some cheese with that whine Fabian. Waah. He acts like he is the only rider in history that has ever been marked. Talk to Contador. He is the most watched guy in the peloton and still wins. HE has a lousy team and wins. His own team tries to beat him and he still wins. He is also smarter than them all. Knows when to go and does it. Case closed. Get over yourself you whiny b!tch Fabian. He is stronger than the rest but STUPID.

congratulations on the most inane comparison of the day
 
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Ferminal said:
He is half true.

When people look back on Hushovd's career with zero monuments, they aren't going to be thinking "but his teammate won one in 2011".

Cancellara was the strongest in the race and finished second
Hushovd was the second strongest in the race and finished eigth

Isn't a World Championship road race victory somewhat on the level of a monument? Being able to wear those WC stripes on your sleeve and collar for the rest of your career has to count for something and it is something that Cancellara covets.
 
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Jamsque said:
Still a little bitter, are we spartacus? From the front page article:



I sincerely doubt that Hushovd lost a bit more than you, Fabian, since his team-mate won the damn thing.

like hushovd cares about that. he wanted to to win, you could see the panic in hushovds eyes when cancellara stopped chasing and he kept calling to the team car like what now? what now? it was a pathetic sight of the most undeserving world champion since igor astarloa.

in the end hushovd is 33 and cancellara is 29 and he has already won it twice.
 
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and for all the people claiming hushovd didn't attack his teammate. what bs because the world could see how hushovd attacked on carrefour with cancellara behind him who then took over and if it wasn't for the goddamn motorbikes cancellara could've still won and what a total idiot and horrible teammate would hushovd have made himself then.
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
and for all the people claiming hushovd didn't attack his teammate. what bs because the world could see how hushovd attacked on carrefour with cancellara behind him who then took over and if it wasn't for the goddamn motorbikes cancellara could've still won and what a total idiot and horrible teammate would hushovd have made himself then.

While it was a nice win for Van Summeren, he wasn't there to win. He was there to help one of the designated leaders when he was caught. JV never thought he would win. If he says he did, he is lying. He was supposed to help Thor. That was his role. Garmin blew the race, and lucked out that the domestique they had up front had guts and heart.

This was Thor's best chance to win. If he had helped a little, Fabian would have done the most, and he could have taken a shot at outsprinting him. Instead he rode like Levi. He sucked wheel and hope the race would be given to him. He did not even make the podium.

Cancellara, on the other hand, waited and then still bridged up and had a shot at winning. He rides with guts and makes things happen. Like in Bejing, when he knew that he could podium, but maybe not win at the Olympics. So he went. (Levi was on his wheel and then just watched him ride away, yelling at others to catch him.) He did not take gold, but he animated the race, made himself look good, and made the podium.

There are two guys who can point to this race when contracts come up, Van Summeren and Cancellara. Thor can't. All he did was suck wheel.
 
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Actions speak louder than words...

All the comments, quotes, translations, and innuendo aside, I don't think you can overlook the fact that Cancellara practically jumped out of his chair to congratulate van Summeren after the win.

As van Summeren and the mob surrounding him made their way behind the podium, Cancellara, who was already there sitting cleaning himself up, suddenly jumped out of his chair barefoot and in his undershirt, and went straight to van Summeren to give him a hug and offer congratulations. All while displaying a huge (and I personally believe entirely sincere) smile.
 
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MacRoadie said:
All the comments, quotes, translations, and innuendo aside, I don't think you can overlook the fact that Cancellara practically jumped out of his chair to congratulate van Summeren after the win.

As van Summeren and the mob surrounding him made their way behind the podium, Cancellara, who was already there sitting cleaning himself up, suddenly jumped out of his chair barefoot and in his undershirt, and went straight to van Summeren to give him a hug and offer congratulations. All while displaying a huge (and I personally believe entirely sincere) smile.

Cue the marching band proclaiming this was a clever public image stint in order to show he's not a whiny ****.
 
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Ryo Hazuki said:
like hushovd cares about that. he wanted to to win, you could see the panic in hushovds eyes when cancellara stopped chasing and he kept calling to the team car like what now? what now? it was a pathetic sight of the most undeserving world champion since igor astarloa.

in the end hushovd is 33 and cancellara is 29 and he has already won it twice.

In Hushovd's defense he earned those stripes against the odds and considering the season is only 1/4 of the way thru I can't see how you can say he's undeserving.
 

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Wrong. Prior to the race JV would have protected Thor, Haussler and Farrar. He would have assigned JVS to be the one to attack from the start - get in the early break. His job to keep the break as long as possible. So if any of the protect-ees bridge he can help them and also so they don't have to chase. In addition if fate lends a hand he's the chancer for the win. That's why he attacked out of the breakaway for the win. It was a small chance but JV knew he needed a strong experienced cobble grinding Belgium to be that guy. JVS was selected on merit. It wasn't by chance he was in the early break.

After Chavanel almost did the same in Flanders you'd think Leopard would have earmarked one guy to do the same.

gttim! said:
While it was a nice win for Van Summeren, he wasn't there to win. He was there to help one of the designated leaders when he was caught. JV never thought he would win. If he says he did, he is lying. He was supposed to help Thor. That was his role. Garmin blew the race, and lucked out that the domestique they had up front had guts and heart.

This was Thor's best chance to win. If he had helped a little, Fabian would have done the most, and he could have taken a shot at outsprinting him. Instead he rode like Levi. He sucked wheel and hope the race would be given to him. He did not even make the podium.

Cancellara, on the other hand, waited and then still bridged up and had a shot at winning. He rides with guts and makes things happen. Like in Bejing, when he knew that he could podium, but maybe not win at the Olympics. So he went. (Levi was on his wheel and then just watched him ride away, yelling at others to catch him.) He did not take gold, but he animated the race, made himself look good, and made the podium.

There are two guys who can point to this race when contracts come up, Van Summeren and Cancellara. Thor can't. All he did was suck wheel.
 
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BeachBum said:
Fabian IS an ungracefiul loser. If Thor and Alessandro and Juan Antonio had worked with him, they probably would've caught Van Summeren, and then they would've lost when Fabian launched his attack at 3k to go.

The only way any of those guys could've won if Fabian had towed them all the way up to the leaders and in the process wearing himself out so much that he COULDN'T attack.

Fabian refuses to recognize that, and instead makes his coffee remark.

This. Spartacus' best chance to win was for Thor and Ballan to work with him and against their own interest. Conversely, Thor and Ballan's best interest was for Spartacus to use his considerable talent and reserves to close down the gap to the leaders and then take their chances beating him in a sprint or otherwise. I can't fault EITHER for the decisions they made since they were all looking to maximize their chances of winning. I can fault Spartacus for pretending as if Thor and Ballan's decisions under the circumstances were not only logical, but the correct ones at the time. It's like a brawler getting upset with a stick and move boxer for not engaging in a brawl. Each guy wants to impose his style on the other to give themselves the best chance of winning. Complaining afterwards that the boxer didn't really win, just underscores who won the fight.

Next time, have a man in the break and the calculus will be different.
 
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Publicus said:
This. Spartacus' best chance to win was for Thor and Ballan to work with him and against their own interest. Conversely, Thor and Ballan's best interest was for Spartacus to use his considerable talent and reserves to close down the gap to the leaders and then take their chances beating him in a sprint or otherwise. I can't fault EITHER for the decisions they made since they were all looking to maximize their chances of winning. I can fault Spartacus for pretending as if Thor and Ballan's decisions under the circumstances were not only logical, but the correct ones at the time. It's like a brawler getting upset with a stick and move boxer for not engaging in a brawl. Each guy wants to impose his style on the other to give themselves the best chance of winning. Complaining afterwards that the boxer didn't really win, just underscores who won the fight.

Next time, have a man in the break and the calculus will be different.

Ah, but BMC was never in a position to win. There's the difference with Garmin.
 
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BM1979 said:
If it was me the first story i would be telling is how in the TDF i tought this little British whining ***** a lesson on how to win the green Jersey

By letting his team manager complain about the sprint after every stage?

Hushovd won the green jersey twice with extreme amounts of luck.
 
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El Pistolero said:
By letting his team manager complain about the sprint after every stage?

Hushovd won the green jersey twice with extreme amounts of luck.

pffft!! no luck in when he went out and gained the extra points needed - you can't call that little exercise "luck"...


as for Spartacus little rant on the cobbles, I'd put that down to the race itself and a bit of a vent in frustration in the heat of the moment, and is more likely born of frustration of the situation he found himself in - that he couldn't drop Hushovd. Nothing more - just a bit of raw emotion during a very tough race and not being in a situation where he was looking likely to lose.

Hushovd's tactics were fine for PR for his team. You can't fault them on that basis.
 
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Archibald said:
pffft!! no luck in when he went out and gained the extra points needed - you can't call that little exercise "luck"...


as for Spartacus little rant on the cobbles, I'd put that down to the race itself and a bit of a vent in frustration in the heat of the moment, and is more likely born of frustration of the situation he found himself in - that he couldn't drop Hushovd. Nothing more - just a bit of raw emotion during a very tough race and not being in a situation where he was looking likely to lose.

Hushovd's tactics were fine for PR for his team. You can't fault them on that basis.

But you can't call Cav whiny when your team manager whines after every sprinting stage for you. That's pathetic. I didn't find it amazing what Hushovd the stage after the fiasco(I think it was the stage after). Breakaway cyclists do that stuff every day.
 
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Mambo95 said:
Gilbert had got the points to knock him off top spot before you posted that.

And I'd also add that ability to perform is no excuse for having an attitude. I don't understand why this logic is always rolled out to defend public figures who make asses out of themselves. (I'm not saying that Spartacus did or didn't, just that being good at something is not somehow justification for big-headed d*ckery.)