Caruso positive for epo in 2012

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Valverde next ? One can only hope

Valverde is one fo the riders that lees need doping to perform.

HE is that clas of rider that alway perform well. Better with hot, and better in the clean era, at least in GT.

Valverde has always been clean

You have any sources about Purito and doping? I could never find any info, all those years.

 

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2012 was the worst season of his career. Clearly rides faster clean - just like so many others

That was the reason why his bio looked erratic. Cannot stop doping!

 

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Valverde next ? One can only hope

Valverde is one fo the riders that lees need doping to perform.

HE is that clas of rider that alway perform well. Better with hot, and better in the clean era, at least in GT.

Valverde has always been clean

You have any sources about Purito and doping? I could never find any info, all those years.

Valverde doped, he said to a friend of a friend of mine training that there was a bag of him in the OP. Everybody knows that, Valv(pity) is not a proof but i a big evidence, and some people said they looked him doped and he was in Italy.

And? he rode in the past era and in the past era doping was norrmal, part of the work. It wanst like that for everybody, but for the 80 % or more.

And he leaved le Tour for doping iue when he won in Courchevel. Unzue admited in a recent interview that in the past doping was normal.

But for a talent as Valverder doping is not really a big advantage, is more advantage for most of the rivals, so for him better a world without doping.

About Purito, I though he doped when he was in Saunier, likely he did, I though he was a "bombero"m as we say in Spain. ome `people even talk today bad about Kathoua, and is well know is one of the teams with problems with UCI, with more riders in Padova, etc...but I have clear that today the advantage of doping is very little, so he must be really god, not a bombero.

His story suits very well with the talented rider that in the past era couldnt translate his potential into results and he i improving results in the transitional era, and when he has a team to work for him , and not to work, he become a world class rider, even the best some years.

He has said hard things as life ban for cheaters.

So, I dont Know. I would like to know. HYe is a rider that some

 

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2012 was the worst season of his career. Clearly rides faster clean - just like so many others

That was the reason why his bio looked erratic. Cannot stop doping!

Surely, and that cases finally get caucht

 

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Valverde next ? One can only hope

Valverde is one fo the riders that lees need doping to perform.

HE is that clas of rider that alway perform well. Better with hot, and better in the clean era, at least in GT.

Valverde has always been clean

You have any sources about Purito and doping? I could never find any info, all those years.

Valverde doped, he said to a friend of a friend of mine training that there was a bag of him in the OP. Everybody knows that, Valv(pity) is not a proof but i a big evidence, and some people said they looked him doped and he was in Italy.

And? he rode in the past era and in the past era doping was norrmal, part of the work. It wanst like that for everybody, but for the 80 % or more.

And he leaved le Tour for doping iue when he won in Courchevel. Unzue admited in a recent interview that in the past doping was normal.

But for a talent as Valverder doping is not really a big advantage, is more advantage for most of the rivals, so for him better a world without doping.

About Purito, I though he doped when he was in Saunier, likely he did, I though he was a "bombero"m as we say in Spain. ome `people even talk today bad about Kathoua, and is well know is one of the teams with problems with UCI, with more riders in Padova, etc...but I have clear that today the advantage of doping is very little, so he must be really god, not a bombero.

His story suits very well with the talented rider that in the past era couldnt translate his potential into results and he i improving results in the transitional era, and when he has a team to work for him , and not to work, he become a world class rider, even the best some years.

He has said hard things as life ban for cheaters.

So, I dont Know. I would like to know. HYe is a rider that some

Sure i know Valverde has been doped in the past. Enough evidence, like you said.

Concerning Purito, i think the chance he did not doped in his Once/Saunier-Duval and even Caisse years, is quite small. I mean, he was the most important luitenant for Piti. And he is good friends with Piepoli.

But still, i think it's weird that he has never been rumoured in OP case. Or never any blood bag were linked to him. While teammates like Valverde, Gil, Jaksche and good friends like Caruso and Vicioso all are. A sign he actually is clean? Or does he have just good fortune that a part of the blood bags (of other riders, so perhaps him) are destroyed?

The problems with Katusha were more financial and political. UCI wanted to get rid of the team because they had too many influence (Makarov) on the UCI. Also tax evasion was a reason for the UCI to ban the team.

And what do you think about the the fact Purito doesn't want to comment on the positive of Caruso? He didn't tweet about it either the last days. Imo it's still fairly logical, because you can create problems with your comments, and it's fairly tricky (because Caruso is a good friend of him). But if you compare it with his quotes at the end of 2012, where he said live suspensions are good for cheaters, it's rather uncredible.

 

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Valverde doped, he said to a friend of a friend of mine training that there was a bag of him in the OP. Everybody knows that, Valv(pity) is not a proof but i a big evidence, and some people said they looked him doped and he was in Italy.

Are you aware that this is an English speaking website?

 

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Valverde doped, he said to a friend of a friend of mine training that there was a bag of him in the OP. Everybody knows that, Valv(pity) is not a proof but i a big evidence, and some people said they looked him doped and he was in Italy.

<snipped the bs>

Here is the proof that you are a troll. The Italians tested Piti's blood and banned him for 2 years. That is PROOF.

He went to CAS and lost. So stop the BS.

Valverde = doper.

 

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They're going back to 2012 with new detection methods and only popped one rider? Seems like there should be more...

Indeed, hope more bad guys get busted...

we know who the real bad apples are, and they're not getting busted.
talking bout the likes of mikhailov, ibarguren, leinders, yates, sutton, vaughters, white, de jongh, knaven, wegelius, and many many more.
the fact that those guys are still in the game should be a complete mystery to anybody who thinks cycling has cleaned up its act.
leinders got caught of course but that was in spite of, rather than owing to, the UCI.

 

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Valverde doped, he said to a friend of a friend of mine training that there was a bag of him in the OP. Everybody knows that, Valv(pity) is not a proof but i a big evidence, and some people said they looked him doped and he was in Italy.

<snipped the bs>

Here is the proof that you are a troll. The Italians tested Piti's blood and banned him for 2 years. That is PROOF.

He went to CAS and lost. So stop the BS.

Valverde = doper.

Valverde doped, but the italian issue is not like you say, Valverde said to a friend of a friend of mine that there was a bag of him in Italy, but is not the italian one. That was just: it was so obvious Valverde was in the OP, that he must be punished.

 

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Valverde next ? One can only hope

Valverde is one fo the riders that lees need doping to perform.

HE is that clas of rider that alway perform well. Better with hot, and better in the clean era, at least in GT.

Valverde has always been clean

You have any sources about Purito and doping? I could never find any info, all those years.

Valverde doped, he said to a friend of a friend of mine training that there was a bag of him in the OP. Everybody knows that, Valv(pity) is not a proof but i a big evidence, and some people said they looked him doped and he was in Italy.

And? he rode in the past era and in the past era doping was norrmal, part of the work. It wanst like that for everybody, but for the 80 % or more.

And he leaved le Tour for doping iue when he won in Courchevel. Unzue admited in a recent interview that in the past doping was normal.

But for a talent as Valverder doping is not really a big advantage, is more advantage for most of the rivals, so for him better a world without doping.

About Purito, I though he doped when he was in Saunier, likely he did, I though he was a "bombero"m as we say in Spain. ome `people even talk today bad about Kathoua, and is well know is one of the teams with problems with UCI, with more riders in Padova, etc...but I have clear that today the advantage of doping is very little, so he must be really god, not a bombero.

His story suits very well with the talented rider that in the past era couldnt translate his potential into results and he i improving results in the transitional era, and when he has a team to work for him , and not to work, he become a world class rider, even the best some years.

He has said hard things as life ban for cheaters.

So, I dont Know. I would like to know. HYe is a rider that some

Sure i know Valverde has been doped in the past. Enough evidence, like you said.

Concerning Purito, i think the chance he did not doped in his Once/Saunier-Duval and even Caisse years, is quite small. I mean, he was the most important luitenant for Piti. And he is good friends with Piepoli.

But still, i think it's weird that he has never been rumoured in OP case. Or never any blood bag were linked to him. While teammates like Valverde, Gil, Jaksche and good friends like Caruso and Vicioso all are. A sign he actually is clean? Or does he have just good fortune that a part of the blood bags (of other riders, so perhaps him) are destroyed?

The problems with Katusha were more financial and political. UCI wanted to get rid of the team because they had too many influence (Makarov) on the UCI. Also tax evasion was a reason for the UCI to ban the team.

And what do you think about the the fact Purito doesn't want to comment on the positive of Caruso? He didn't tweet about it either the last days. Imo it's still fairly logical, because you can create problems with your comments, and it's fairly tricky (because Caruso is a good friend of him). But if you compare it with his quotes at the end of 2012, where he said live suspensions are good for cheaters, it's rather uncredible.

Likely Purito doped as well, I dont know, but both of them are better without doping, and it is possible as you said Purito didnt dope.

Poeple use to be very wrong in this issues.

Piepoli doped, and most of riders in Saunier. Cobo was in le Tour in a shape to win the race, all the team was suspended for the Saunier affair, it looks like Cobo doped as well and it is what most of people think. UCi went for him, they wanted something to punished him as well, they controlled him and looked even in the Sahara to something, Cobo was the big objetive, but they never found somethinng, I am not sure if he dopedin some way or not, but he was a great talent and likely he didnt dope, the problem with him was his head.

 

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Are you aware that this is an English speaking website?

I wasn't aware that it was a speaking website at all. How did you get the speaking function to work?

Also, Benotti, you should know better than to call anyone who (very slightly, in this case) disagrees with you a "troll".

 

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Are you aware that this is an English speaking website?

I wasn't aware that it was a speaking website at all. How did you get the speaking function to work?

Also, Benotti, you should know better than to call anyone who (very slightly, in this case) disagrees with you a "troll".

Benotti must know a lot, he is inside cycling world!

He think he is right and they cant be another possibility out of his conclusions.

Life will show how wrong is his way to think, not just for this case, but in general.

 

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I want the clarify that I just said that the words Valv(pity) in a bag is not a proof of anything, but of couse is a big evidence, but proof is another thing. I dont want to be under a law that if your dactilar marks are beside a murder, you are the murderer.

The curious is that here in the clinic, some people try to say thing like: Leinders in Sky is an evidence,,, it is not nor a light evidence of doping, it is just a doctor, and the fact that he doped in the past in other team,as most of doctors, didnt change anything.
Even the fact that SKY didnt want to talk too much about that is an evidence. but here people try to become any thing into an evidence, and that way some people here has said abot 100 things as evidence (not proof) of doping, and any of them is an evidence, even a light evidence.

In the Lance era, with Lance, but in general, the evidence was really big.

This study show more or less how are things now, I am quite agree with this, similar to the conclusion i had about things i Know.

http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/CleanSport/16/87/99/CIRCReport2015_Neutral.pdf

Anyway the study is going always to enphatice the negative things, and it doenst difference WT cycling and the rest of the pro cycling, so it is difficult to judge for that.

Even when spome people sum up this as: the doping of Lance era still continue, for me that estudie shows we are in a clean era, the same that in my country with 4 % of unempleiment thay say: Full employ. You cant evee finish with doping in a sport like cycling except controls cautch always the cheaters. Still there are some riders that dont feel the doping a cheat, especially people of the old era, but as well some younger cyclist. But today, most of young riders dont believe in doping,and thay have the luck that they dont need doping to win, as in the past (except for some great champions, who anyway couldnt won a GT)