Tadej Pogacar and Mauro Giannetti

[ColonelKidneyBeans]

Here you go....31 pages:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/5wlp6ONQYpW2Fr0oN5WD7i/1a40d70d92dd9c9cb9e346c190fd911b/uci-adt-03.2018-uci-v.-mr-juan-jos--cobo-acebo.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwikuayAo5SUAxUkFjQIHRBgChcQFnoECDcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1zzRk9HEMAMtYndZCLF68b

Thanks, i've glanced rapidly at the ruling, seems what really did him in wasn't the off score (some of his worst values are outside of the period for which he was stripped of his results), but the low reticulocytes and the pattern of their suppression (the values for the 2011 Vuelta are pretty damning).
There are some other... interesting data points too, the 15 and 16/10/2009 results could point at a withdrawal for instance.
What i don't get is why his ABP was only flagged in mid 2014 and not sooner. The back and forth between Cobo and the UCI seems pretty long winded too, with long periods of seemingly nothing happening, quite a few times the panel reach a conclusion only to communicate it months latter.
The timeline isn't always clear either, in particular between 2016-2017 with a laconic "Between 2016 and 2017, protracted discussion took place between the UCI/the UCI’s legal representative and the Rider/the Rider’s legal representative"

 

[ashhutch1997]

I'm seeing more and more anti Pog stuff on socials. The greed will be his downfall (hopefully)

It's still mostly NPC's who watch racing through reals commenting "GOAT".

 

[Divergence]

Here buddy, let me make it easier for you to understand what everyone here is on about. We'll use confessed doper Lance Armstrong. You see, for LA to have all those super human moments in the Pyrenees and Alps against the other super dopers of his era (Pantani, Ullrich, etc) he had to train to peak at a certain time of year. His training was specifically geared towards lofting him to the greatest feats of physiology possible at a specific period of time in his racing season.

Imagine if you will, a sine wave with an X and Y axis. The sine wave above the X axis represents periods of maximal ability and the portion below the X axis represents the recovery phase or sub-maximal period of physiologic ability. Based on specific training, the periodic frequency can be altered but with the result being that the peak portion above the X axis should be correspondingly lower with increased frequency. This would be what we refer to as what is commonly held as 'HUMANLY POSSIBLE.'

Now, imagine a scenario where the maximal point of the sine wave above the X axis, as measured relative to the Y axis, is suddenly moved higher an amount of 10% with no corresponding increase in the nadir below the X axis. What if the periods below the X axis were to also become less frequent? This is what is being seen to occur with the young gentleman's performances in question, because it is "HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE.'

Point being, even the best doper of a doping generation had to focus on a seasonal target of maximal focus to perform in a super-human way to decimate, nay humiliate, a field of other genetic lab experiments. Seeing a current rider humiliate every specialist, on every terrain, over the course of an entire season while not even breathing hard or really breaking a sweat is kinda hard for those of us who have witnessed professional cycling for some years.

Today he'll probably sit up and roll a joint while leading the breakaway, all nonchalantly.

I understand what you mean, but there is no physiological evidence that suggests you have to come off form in order to reach a higher peak later. Imagine your sine curve not having any troughs snd correspondingly having higher maxima. That is what Pog is doing because he seems to be training well throughout the season and not letting himself go for large chunks of the season.
Of course this makes being a pro cyclist even harder and it is understandable that the champions of past did not want to do that and it was convenient maybe to believe the bogus theory that the lower the trough the higher the peak.