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Cav Cheating the Time Cut?

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Ryo Hazuki

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I believe that too because I've heard numerous story's about cav from 2009 giro also. he should be thrown out and also be suspended like a doping suspension. this isn't his first time and it's efects are more direct and severe than doping.

in the tour almost every riders gets his own motard with jury commisary but in giro only a few get that.
 
goggalor

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ergmonkey said:
Cav beat the time cut by less than a minute, I believe.
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25 seconds actually. I think it was Pozzato who accused Cavendish of the same thing 3 years ago. Cav told his side of the story in his book, it was something along the lines of, "I think he fancies me".
 
Andy99

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Oh look, Cavs won and proven yet again that he is the fastest out there....lets all find another reason to criticise him. Come on people...
 
Ryo Hazuki

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Waterloo Sunrise said:
Too much of your national marching powder?

Wrong on so many levels.
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I will admitt I hate cavendish tremendously but you are his biggest fanboy so I take anbything you say with a large grain of salt. I just named facts. there are never uci commisary's following every rider in the mountains that only happens in the tour
 
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Waterloo Sunrise

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Ryo Hazuki said:
I will admitt I hate cavendish tremendously but you are his biggest fanboy so I take anbything you say with a large grain of salt. I just named facts. there are never uci commisary's following every rider in the mountains that only happens in the tour
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You didn't name a single fact. Your comment boiled down to a friend of a friend saying something happened, therefore a 2 year ban is needed because car hanging on irrelevant stages is worse than cheating to win races, and perpetuating a culture where young men have to damage their health just to compete.

I'm not surprised you feel the need to make that odd comparison however, given it is Ventoso making the accusation.
 
Benotti69

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Tv Images show Cav finishing on top of Etna with a commissaires motorbike just behind him.

Also in this age of everyone having a digital camera and mobile phones with cameras it would have been captured for over 10kms and posted online.

People having a go at Cav, as usual.

Pathetic.
 
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How would a few guys know this and accuse him of this? I'm guessing they were struggling as sprinters to climb the darn mountain, and they look and see him holding onto the car on/off, or for a long time? There were likely no team cars back there except for his to "help" him out and "encourage him".

Should be interesting to see what happens with this and if there are any video/photos. To take a 6 miles tow is pretty blatant and I would imagine somebody would have caught this on video/camera right?
 
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I thought that Ventoso finished in the group ahead of Cav. if so pardon my ignorance but how would Ventoso know what Cav was doing if he was ahead on the road?

Alternatively if they were together for a large amount of the time i.e. in the gruppetto- more than two would have mentioned this because the group was about 50 big.
 
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Maybe he had a rear brake caliper that just would not stop dragging and needed repair every 2 minutes? Maybe he needed a fresh bottle every 30 seconds and each hand off took 20 seconds a la Floyd and Morzine?


Regardless, IF, and that is certainly an IF, he was hanging on or taking advantage and getting towed, that is really unfair to the others that actually pedaled up the hill.

It seems unlikely that a couple of guys, who clearly do not have the star status that Cav has, would make up a rather serious accusation like that. Not impossible, just unlikely, which imo would tend to make me believe it. The guys all get a little help on each bottle hand out, on each bike swap or puncture, so know the gig. To actually accuse someone of it would seem to have implied that the assistance was a little more egregious.
 
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goggalor said:
25 seconds actually. I think it was Pozzato who accused Cavendish of the same thing 3 years ago. Cav told his side of the story in his book, it was something along the lines of, "I think he fancies me".
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What is it with British Athletes writing books about themselves halfway through their careers?
 
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Andy99 said:
Oh look, Cavs won and proven yet again that he is the fastest out there....lets all find another reason to criticise him. Come on people...
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For what it's worth, Ventoso and Fischer were quoted before today's stage and, thus, before Cav's stage win.

I did, however, start this thread after today's stage when I came across the linked article in the Danish press.
 
L'arriviste

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What is it with British Athletes writing books about themselves halfway through their careers?
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There's a great tradition of buying biogs as Christmas presents. Publishers offer them lots of money to talk to a ghostwriter for a few hours during the post-Tour break. Job done. Then if they win something even bigger, there's a second edition to do. Effective marketing. :)
 
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L'arriviste said:
There's a great tradition of buying biogs as Christmas presents. Publishers offer them lots of money to talk to a ghostwriter for a few hours during the post-Tour break. Job done. Then if they win something even bigger, there's a second edition to do. Effective marketing. :)
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Everytime I hear about a new book I think about the 'greatest' book ever: "In My Defense"...
 
theswordsman

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I'm not bringing links today, because this thread so far seems to be about opinions, but La Gazzetta has video of Ventoso making the claims against Cavendish. Tuttobiciweb has multiple articles and blogs going about it. One person says that Cavendish lost half an hour the first time up Etna, but went up the second time faster than Contador did. There's talk of him hanging onto an open window and being pushed by a teammate. Maybe someone who has the stage on tape would like to see where Cav was when he was on screen?

He was the last guy to make the time cut, but other riders would have been around to see it. He finished in a group of 8, with others not far ahead. I'll hold out my own judgment until more actual evidence comes forward.

By the way, I read somewhere the other day that the plan is for Cav & Renshaw to leave after Stage 12.
 
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