Cav Cheating the Time Cut?

[minessa]

Good question


Well i would assume that Rabon, Rasmussen and Renshaw wouldnt say if anything did happen but there were four others with some other guys just in front.

Manuel Belletti: «Uno si fa il culo tutto il giorno per arrivare all'arrivo e poi gente come Cavendish e non solo... altri "velocisti " italiani! che erano a un'ora di distanza quasi rientra sul mio gruppetto attaccato all'ammiraglia e resta in corsa... E magari vincono i prossimi arrivi in volata.... Vergognatevi!»
http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=38913&tp=n

 

[Frosty]

Manuel Belletti: «Uno si fa il culo tutto il giorno per arrivare all'arrivo e poi gente come Cavendish e non solo... altri "velocisti " italiani! che erano a un'ora di distanza quasi rientra sul mio gruppetto attaccato all'ammiraglia e resta in corsa... E magari vincono i prossimi arrivi in volata.... Vergognatevi!»
http://www.tuttobiciweb.it/index.php?page=news&cod=38913&tp=n

Cheers for that. Google translate isnt that helpful - 'wind attacks Cavendish' is quite funny but i know it is just translating Ventoso. What does the following line mean? Is he accusing others as well or does it refer to other people accusing Cavendish?

Uno si fa il culo tutto il giorno per arrivare all'arrivo e poi gente come Cavendish e non solo... altri "velocisti " italiani!


Stage over the Galibier and up to Alpe d'huez in the tour this year will be a hard pace all the way, could see some sprinters get knocked out there?

 

[TeoSheva]

 

[TeoSheva]

that is TGAK

 

[goggalor]

Nice of him to help adjust the mirrors like that.

It seems the QuickStep car was the official tow truck for the stage, and that quite a few teams/riders were in on it. Renshaw appears to be keeping out of trouble...

 

[Midnightfright]

I cannot see this being at all true. Surely someone will have managed to snap pic or even video. And surely some of the other riders he finished with may of been able confirm it

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Just like Petacchi's sprint in stage 2, Cavendish is a professional who is probably well aware of how much he can get away with and how much is going too far. For sprinters who are reasonable climbers like Ventoso, I can see why it might be incredibly frustrating to deal with (especially after finishing 2nd to Cavendish today on a finish he probably thought was ideal for him), but at the same time, this isn't like Greipel on Willunga Hill, the race isn't exactly on the line.

 

[TeoSheva]

I cannot see this being at all true. Surely someone will have managed to snap pic or even video. And surely some of the other riders he finished with may of been able confirm it

no chanche!

 

[ergmonkey]

[Chicchi]'s pushing the car

Correct. Ordinarily, The Sheriff looks like this going up the climbs, but Quickstep forgot the trailer hitch for the Mt. Etna stage:

 

[Fester]

Anyone wonder how Ventoso and Fischer knew what Cav was doing - as they finished 2 & 3 minutes ahead of Cav respectively?

Also Cav may have finished last, but he finished in a group of eight riders - amazing no-one there saw anything or commented.

What do you think the trick there was? Maybe that all eight had a tow?

 

[Escarabajo]

Let's not worry about this now. He will leave after thursday stage. No way he is maling through those mountains.

 

[Angliru]

I cannot see this being at all true. Surely someone will have managed to snap pic or even video. And surely some of the other riders he finished with may of been able confirm it

...or were guilty of the same offense, thus the silence.

 

[Escarabajo]

Anyone wonder how Ventoso and Fischer knew what Cav was doing - as they finished 2 & 3 minutes ahead of Cav respectively?

Also Cav may have finished last, but he finished in a group of eight riders - amazing no-one there saw anything or commented.

I won't say anything if you don't say anything about me. Mutual agreement. Don't burn any bridges, especially if it is not going to help you at the moment.

 

[Escarabajo]

...or were guilty of the same offense, thus the silence.

+1.

Nailed it.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

things like this make me really sick. he should be thrown out of the giro (alexander kristof)

 

[benpounder]

Anyone wonder how Ventoso and Fischer knew what Cav was doing - as they finished 2 & 3 minutes ahead of Cav respectively?

I'm not saying that this happened, but on a switch-back climb such as Etna, it is quite plausible that a rider can see what is happening to riders 2-3 minutes behind.

Also Cav may have finished last, but he finished in a group of eight riders - amazing no-one there saw anything or commented.

Actually, there were 14 riders nearby timewise (from +26:19 to +26:35). Unless all were aided, (conspiracy theory anyone?) then yes, it is unlikely that only one rider was blatantly cheating. Also, seeing as both McEwen and Graeme Brown were behind Cav, one would think that they would be the ones to point out any wrong-doing.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I won't say anything if you don't say anything about me. Mutual agreement. Don't burn any bridges, especially if it is not going to help you at the moment.

I'd agree - which begs the question, why is Cav being singled out?

No-one has said how Cav was holding on - maybe Ventoso or Fischer have (perfect) teeth marks on their ass.

 

[hrotha]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...toso-square-off-over-towing-accusation_173912
Ventoso says it wasn't just Cav but his whole train.

As we've seen in the pictures posted here, many riders cheat a little, they hold onto a car for a moment, get the sling effect from a bottle (which in my view is essentially the same) or ride in a car's slipstream for a while. If Ventoso and Fischer have called Cav out, it must have been way over the top, assuming they're telling the truth.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Ventoso has some cheek saying the peloton should feel cheated with his history.

Nice to see he's back tracking and broadening out the accusation - tomorrow it will be Cav's entire groupetto, and by the weekend even Alberto will have taken a tow.

Incidentally, where is the Ventoso whiner thread?

 

[Angliru]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...toso-square-off-over-towing-accusation_173912
Ventoso says it wasn't just Cav but his whole train.

As we've seen in the pictures posted here, many riders cheat a little, they hold onto a car for a moment, get the sling effect from a bottle (which in my view is essentially the same) or ride in a car's slipstream for a while. If Ventoso and Fischer have called Cav out, it must have been way over the top, assuming they're telling the truth.

Cav hasn't denied it, unless I missed it. He's usually less than hesitant to speak his mind and to call a spade a spade. His silence is deafening.

 

[Angliru]

Ventoso has some cheek saying the peloton should feel cheated with his history.

Nice to see he's back tracking and broadening out the accusation - tomorrow it will be Cav's entire groupetto, and by the weekend even Alberto will have taken a tow.

Incidentally, where is the Ventoso whiner thread?

He's not likely to be anywhere in the same zip code as AC so that ain't likely to happen.

 

[Angliru]

Ventoso has some cheek saying the peloton should feel cheated with his history.

Nice to see he's back tracking and broadening out the accusation - tomorrow it will be Cav's entire groupetto, and by the weekend even Alberto will have taken a tow.

Incidentally, where is the Ventoso whiner thread?

You haven't started it yet. Get crackin'!

 

[goggalor]

What do you think the trick there was? Maybe that all eight had a tow?

Half the group being HTC riders helps...

 

[hrotha]

Ventoso has some cheek saying the peloton should feel cheated with his history.

Nice to see he's back tracking and broadening out the accusation - tomorrow it will be Cav's entire groupetto, and by the weekend even Alberto will have taken a tow.

Incidentally, where is the Ventoso whiner thread?

Except that he's not changing his story. He tweeted about it yesterday.
http://twitter.com/#!/franventoso/status/70118955200688128

 

[Angliru]

Half the group being HTC riders helps...

...and 2 others being riders from.......Great Britain, leaving 2 Italians who were either bought off or getting towed in the same manner.