Cav Cheating the Time Cut?

[Dr. Maserati]

No, he said that the group around Cav was also involved...

Thats the only comment from Fischer I have read.

Ventoso has now added more people (which is probably true) but at first only mentioned Cav.

 

[hrotha]

Thats the only comment from Fischer I have read.

Ventoso has now added more people (which is probably true) but at first only mentioned Cav.

Again, no. Ventoso's first tweet, from May 16th, reads thus:

Por que la organizacion y jueces permite subir a todo un peloton que iba con Mc Ewen y Brown agarrarse a los coches y entrar en el control?

Why do the organizers and the commissaires allow a whole peloton that was with McEwen and Brown to go up [by] hold[ing] onto the cars and make the time cut?

 

[Frosty]

Bit of a tough limit wasnt it - 3400metres vertical climbing, 27 minutes to get up there after Contador finished?

Last year saw 51 riders finish outside the time limit on stage 11 but they only got fined 25 points (affected Farrar's lead in the points though).

Good job Cav wasnt there then to take the blame.

 

[Parrulo]

cav really needs to win and wave a "haters gonna hate" flag as celebration. would be very funny

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Again, no. Ventoso's first tweet, from May 16th, reads thus:

Missed that - but Brown/McEwen finished 26 mins behind the Cav group.

Ventoso only mentioned one name, but after the stage mentions more.... all from one team.

“Everyone clearly saw it. And it wasn’t just Cavendish, but also his set-up men and the ones who pull the peloton along at 70kph. They had two rest days".

 

[joe_papp]

Unless I overlooked it, any reference to the accusations against Cav is conspicuous by its absence from the cyclingnews.com coverage of the Giro...

 

[stefrees]

Until I ever see proof, then why would I ever believe someone who is prepared to lie themselves?

Massive problem in cycling (mods please move to clinic if this goes too far( but cyclists and fans and ex-cyclists are more concerned with cavendish than the real evil in cycling, it's a disgrace. It's why all my sports friends (rightfully) laugh at me. Kudos to lofkvist for his comments. Nuff said. Pretty poor of whole of cn to try and whip this up even more also, it's like reading "the sun"

 

[joe_papp]

Classic example of someone trying to excuse Cavendish's alleged behavior by using doping as a red herring in this case.

Ventoso's complaint, if made before today's stage, becomes all the more understandable given the fact that the guy who beat him today alleged took a tow up Mt. Etna and probably would have been eliminated on time w/o it and not even able to start today...

Until I ever see proof, then why would I ever believe someone who is prepared to lie themselves?

Massive problem in cycling (mods please move to clinic if this goes too far( but cyclists and fans and ex-cyclists are more concerned with cavendish than the real evil in cycling, it's a disgrace. It's why all my sports friends (rightfully) laugh at me. Kudos to lofkvist for his comments. Nuff said. Pretty poor of whole of cn to try and whip this up even more also, it's like reading "the sun"

 

[craig1985]

"I challenge Ventoso to spend one day in the back group with me," Cavendish said. "He will see then that if I stop to ****, if I stop to change my wheel, if I crash - I have commissaire with me every time, I have a television camera with me every time, I have a f***ing ice cream truck with me the whole time."

Not one to mince words is Mark.

 

[Parrulo]

"I challenge Ventoso to spend one day in the back group with me," Cavendish said. "He will see then that if I stop to ****, if I stop to change my wheel, if I crash - I have commissaire with me every time, I have a television camera with me every time, I have a f***ing ice cream truck with me the whole time."

Not one to mince words is Mark.

that was funny

 

[Libertine Seguros]

"I challenge Ventoso to spend one day in the back group with me," Cavendish said. "He will see then that if I stop to ****, if I stop to change my wheel, if I crash - I have commissaire with me every time, I have a television camera with me every time, I have a f***ing ice cream truck with me the whole time."

Not one to mince words is Mark.

I don't get it? "I challenge you to ride slower than you normally do, so you can see what I go through"?

Not much of a challenge, is it? Or, more likely, is it so that he and his HTC mates can rough him up a bit? Is it possible to "Simeoni" the grupetto?

If Cav didn't make his feathers so easy to ruffle, maybe people wouldn't try and ruffle them.

 

[Hawkwood]

Read Merckx's quotes on the 1960s Giros, it wasn't just the sprinters taking tows then it was those at the sharp end!

 

[craig1985]

that was funny

Heard Dario Pieri was spotted cycling along side it:

 

[Parrulo]

I don't get it? "I challenge you to ride slower than you normally do, so you can see what I go through"?

Not much of a challenge, is it? Or, more likely, is it so that he and his HTC mates can rough him up a bit? Is it possible to "Simeoni" the grupetto?

If Cav didn't make his feathers so easy to ruffle, maybe people wouldn't try and ruffle them.

he means ride with me in the grupetto and you will see that i don't cheat to make the time cut. i think thats what he is trying to say. tho tbh if i were cav and said these worlds it would be just trolling so ventoso would miss the time cut with me.

besides its not like it will make any difference to ventoso to arrive in cav's group on a mountain stage since he would be losing a lot of time anyway

 

[roundabout]

I don't get it? "I challenge you to ride slower than you normally do, so you can see what I go through"?

Not much of a challenge, is it? Or, more likely, is it so that he and his HTC mates can rough him up a bit? Is it possible to "Simeoni" the grupetto?

If Cav didn't make his feathers so easy to ruffle, maybe people wouldn't try and ruffle them.

To be fair, it's a pretty serious accusation.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

he means ride with me in the grupetto and you will see that i don't cheat to make the time cut. i think thats what he is trying to say. tho tbh if i were cav and said these worlds it would be just trolling so ventoso would miss the time cut with me.

besides its not like it will make any difference to ventoso to arrive in cav's group on a mountain stage since he would be losing a lot of time anyway

Although that probably is what he means to say, the expletive-filled rants of 'angry Cav' make it sound incredibly confrontational. And given HTC's propensity for a bit of roughing up (just ask other sprinters and leadouts about Mark Renshaw), I could see why Ventoso may see it as an implicit threat. And if Ventoso thinks or has seen some hanging on to cars, I could see why he'd be upset - one of the rewards for being a sprinter who can climb a bit better is being fresher (or in the race) when opponents are suffering. It could be that the autobus guys realised they were missing the cut and had to drive at a high pace but did so without raising the ire of the commissars (just as Petacchi, as a professional, worked out just how much he could get away with on stage 2), and Ventoso's group, many of whom stayed with the front group longer and exploded, were suspicious of how much time had been won back.

But yes, there's certainly a bit of potential fun if Ventoso's up for the challenge on the 'glockner, then HTC deliberately slow the bus right down to miss the time cut knowing that Cavendish has no further chances to do anything.

 

[The Hitch]

Does anyone have a video of Andy Schleck getting a very convenient seat adjustment as the peloton hit a 15% climb, and just holding onto the car as it took him up.

It was in one of the "how the race was won" videos. Think one of the Ardennes of 2010.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I don't get it? "I challenge you to ride slower than you normally do, so you can see what I go through"?

Not much of a challenge, is it? Or, more likely, is it so that he and his HTC mates can rough him up a bit? Is it possible to "Simeoni" the grupetto?

If Cav didn't make his feathers so easy to ruffle, maybe people wouldn't try and ruffle them.

Well, there is a chance Cav might buy him an ice-cream.

"Ride in the grupetto, and you get a cornetto."

 

[hrotha]

Does anyone have a video of Andy Schleck getting a very convenient seat adjustment as the peloton hit a 15% climb, and just holding onto the car as it took him up.

It was in one of the "how the race was won" videos. Think one of the Ardennes of 2010.

It's time to ban team cars from providing mechanical assitance. If there's something wrong with your bike, you should stop to get it fixed or get a new one.

 

[woodie]

Although that probably is what he means to say, the expletive-filled rants of 'angry Cav' make it sound incredibly confrontational. And given HTC's propensity for a bit of roughing up (just ask other sprinters and leadouts about Mark Renshaw), I could see why Ventoso may see it as an implicit threat. And if Ventoso thinks or has seen some hanging on to cars, I could see why he'd be upset - one of the rewards for being a sprinter who can climb a bit better is being fresher (or in the race) when opponents are suffering. It could be that the autobus guys realised they were missing the cut and had to drive at a high pace but did so without raising the ire of the commissars (just as Petacchi, as a professional, worked out just how much he could get away with on stage 2), and Ventoso's group, many of whom stayed with the front group longer and exploded, were suspicious of how much time had been won back.

But yes, there's certainly a bit of potential fun if Ventoso's up for the challenge on the 'glockner, then HTC deliberately slow the bus right down to miss the time cut knowing that Cavendish has no further chances to do anything.

What do the other sprinters or leadouts say? Who did you ask? Of course he is going to get rough in a bunch finish, its the nature of a sprint, he has to get rough because everyone is trying to derail the HTC train and Cav so he has to fight for the position, they all get rough. Any sprint in any race involves 'roughing up' when fighting for position.

I highly doubt Cav was holding onto a car, the same accusations came out at last years tour, they all get 'lazy bidons' but if Cav was hanging onto a car up the climb there would be camera footage or pictures somewhere.

 

[Parrulo]

Well, there is a chance Cav might buy him an ice-cream.

"Ride in the grupetto, and you get a cornetto."

thats priceless

 

[AussieGoddess]

I would certainly be interested in looking at Cav's times going up both ascents.

 

[danjo007]

to those who are SOOOo upset about this "supposed allegation" - LMFAO - i just wish i could do it to your face!
your a sad lot indeed!

 

[cineteq]

"I challenge Ventoso to spend one day in the back group with me," Cavendish said. "He will see then that if I stop to ****, if I stop to change my wheel, if I crash - I have commissaire with me every time, I have a television camera with me every time, I have a f***ing ice cream truck with me the whole time."

It sounds awfully similar to Lance's comments (defending himself of whatever). I guess they like to use the same MOs,

 

[Ferminal]

Do you have a link to their statement on the matter?

Cav is wearing fair play award numbers.


But what the hey, lets all start trying to prove negations, then this forum can be like the clinic.

No, I'm just not going to call Ventoso et al liars based on the fact that no official comment has been made. It's fairly obvious that some took a tow, and probably even Cav, to what degree we don't know. I don't really care if they did it (I was simply responding to the post who referred to the comments as "Mudslinging").

(Edit: Moved post from other thread).