The first few paragraphs of post #484 I can relate to,
comments about a UAE Hirschi compared to other output for other teams?
Who knows.. Del Toro and Marc Hirsci did both have a late season surge while riding for UAE..what does that mean if anything.
My only problem with most everything is expansive cycling conversations is the burden of either self correction or self validation with no access to data, no real facts.
I know that there could be enormous pitfalls to transparency at the UCI.
If they had something basic and inexpensive it would never work, it can't work.
Isaac Del Toro was tested on date and time and the results are..----------.
Tadej Pogacar was tested on date and time results are----------. .
If you UCI tells us who they are testing and the results, immediately people will question why other riders are not be tested, or tested less frequently.
UCI can't publicly list the criteria for testing riders like.....because they win, they have inconsistent results, they suddenly retire ( Yates example) .
Many of the back and forth battles here, most bike racing content would be better with data..All who are really paying attention know that watching TV or videos of bike racing, racers, following them on Strava or the equivalent is not substantial or scientific.
We all see what happens when law enforcement says something to the effect..
We all know what a drug user looks and acts like... Yikes.
Forum represents a kind of cycling vigilante group not officially in charge of law enforcement, but if nobody is doing it, why not.
Many of these forums follow that wild west lawman thing.. Lock them up now we will work out the details down at the station.. Shoot first, ask questions later.
Pogacar and dozens of others are treated and talked about as if they have been convicted of something.. or even accused of something.
You can feel and taste how angry, disappointed, disillusioned people are with what they see and feel is out in the open crimes.., going unacknowledged and unpunished.
A case can be made for the public playing a role..some kind of David Walsh derivative to get to desired end..and all this might work..
In my view the best way to find out if Tadej Pogacar is gassed to the gills and is destroying records via some super human pharmaceutical program.. Ok..
Could there be a crowd sourced fund trying to compel Pog to test to quite the controversy.. Not going to happen.
Maybe bombarding UCI demanding something.. How many riders are tested? Time and dates..no names needed.. Maybe a by event tally..
My repetitive point is always, why are people not asking, demanding that UCI do their job and put some of all this to rest..
I suspect it's because if it was public of just how little they are doing, ...who is doing it ....things would be worse.. As if that's possible.
Lots of points of view in my opinion need to be based on.. ..I don't know ( assumed) or start or end everything with I don't know or I am not sure..
when you write that someone is a " super responder" or " @eats drugs at Christmas dinner..doesn't seem good.
In my opinion allowing the public to wildly speculate on who is doping,
if they are being tested, ...who... ,when, how much..it's really a miscarriage of a great sport, as if they see the building on fire and do nothing because they are at a great party in a different part of the building which is not obviously affected.
comments about a UAE Hirschi compared to other output for other teams?
Who knows.. Del Toro and Marc Hirsci did both have a late season surge while riding for UAE..what does that mean if anything.
My only problem with most everything is expansive cycling conversations is the burden of either self correction or self validation with no access to data, no real facts.
I know that there could be enormous pitfalls to transparency at the UCI.
If they had something basic and inexpensive it would never work, it can't work.
Isaac Del Toro was tested on date and time and the results are..----------.
Tadej Pogacar was tested on date and time results are----------. .
If you UCI tells us who they are testing and the results, immediately people will question why other riders are not be tested, or tested less frequently.
UCI can't publicly list the criteria for testing riders like.....because they win, they have inconsistent results, they suddenly retire ( Yates example) .
Many of the back and forth battles here, most bike racing content would be better with data..All who are really paying attention know that watching TV or videos of bike racing, racers, following them on Strava or the equivalent is not substantial or scientific.
We all see what happens when law enforcement says something to the effect..
We all know what a drug user looks and acts like... Yikes.
Forum represents a kind of cycling vigilante group not officially in charge of law enforcement, but if nobody is doing it, why not.
Many of these forums follow that wild west lawman thing.. Lock them up now we will work out the details down at the station.. Shoot first, ask questions later.
Pogacar and dozens of others are treated and talked about as if they have been convicted of something.. or even accused of something.
You can feel and taste how angry, disappointed, disillusioned people are with what they see and feel is out in the open crimes.., going unacknowledged and unpunished.
A case can be made for the public playing a role..some kind of David Walsh derivative to get to desired end..and all this might work..
In my view the best way to find out if Tadej Pogacar is gassed to the gills and is destroying records via some super human pharmaceutical program.. Ok..
Could there be a crowd sourced fund trying to compel Pog to test to quite the controversy.. Not going to happen.
Maybe bombarding UCI demanding something.. How many riders are tested? Time and dates..no names needed.. Maybe a by event tally..
My repetitive point is always, why are people not asking, demanding that UCI do their job and put some of all this to rest..
I suspect it's because if it was public of just how little they are doing, ...who is doing it ....things would be worse.. As if that's possible.
Lots of points of view in my opinion need to be based on.. ..I don't know ( assumed) or start or end everything with I don't know or I am not sure..
when you write that someone is a " super responder" or " @eats drugs at Christmas dinner..doesn't seem good.
In my opinion allowing the public to wildly speculate on who is doping,
if they are being tested, ...who... ,when, how much..it's really a miscarriage of a great sport, as if they see the building on fire and do nothing because they are at a great party in a different part of the building which is not obviously affected.
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