Cavendish vs Goss

[Michielveedeebee]

No actually cavendish and greipel couldn't be more different. One has one a classic and many many grand tour stages the other hasn't.

Overall this is another ridiculous thread. Goss may turn our to be an excellent rider but Milan san remo fell into his lap. Cancellara almost caught him in the Sprint.

There are many on this forum who like to stack up Farrah, greipel or haussler against cavendish but simple fact is none of them have won anything of real note, cavendish could retire today as the second best grand tour sprinter of all time.

After whom ? And it's a Belgian allright

 

[Mambo95]

The main difference between Cavendish and Griepel isn't their speed -they're both fast. Cavendish would appear to have a better kick. But the main difference is this....

'Race craft'. Griepel, more than any other current sprinter, needs to be delivered to the line by a dominate, unchallenged team. In the big races his positioning is frequently awful. How many times have you seen someone post 'Griepel was fast - he came from about 12th to finish 3rd'.

He repeatedly loses his lead-out man's wheel. Goss, Henderson and EBH have all won races when they were meant to be leading Griepel out, but found him missing, so went themselves. By contrast, Cavendish may has well be riding a tandem with his lead-out man. He'll never get pushed off. And if his man is not there still has the smarts to pull it off.

(Last year, either here or on my other forum, I predicted that Griepel will never win a stage of the Tour. I still stick by that.)

 

[Jamsque]

To be fair to Greipel, Cav spent the entirety of Tirreno-Adriatco losing Renshaw's wheel in the finale.

 

[Mambo95]

To be fair to Greipel, Cav spent the entirety of Tirreno-Adriatco losing Renshaw's wheel in the finale.

Yeah, but I'm talking about when they're on form.

 

[BroDeal]

To be fair to Greipel, Cav spent the entirety of Tirreno-Adriatco losing Renshaw's wheel in the finale.

You know what Cav said about Cav: "He loses wheels."

 

[jaylew]

I can see why you might think that, but he won from an admittedly elite group but one where he was the known best sprinter and Pozzato made a schoolboy error in chasing Gilbert down. It was a great sprint but very clearly on the cards.

Cav's MSR win was just unbelievable. I bet Haussler still doesnt believe it, Cav's acceleration and speed that day were on another planet.

Goss had to get in that elite group, though. There was a big group heading up the Poggio with a lot of strong riders and most of the guys didn't make it into that group. Cav's win was impressive too, but of course it's very subjective.

And I don't think Pippo made a huge error in chasing down Gilbert. Goss tried and couldn't make it as he had just chased down Canc. At that point Gilbert had a good jump and I think there's a good chance Gilbert wins right there if Pozzato doesn't chase. Offredo and Canc had just attacked, Scarponi and Nibali had already spent a lot of energy and don't have that kind of power on the flat. The only other guy I see pulling him back at that point was Ballan.

 

[c&cfan]

Goss had to get in that elite group, though. There was a big group heading up the Poggio with a lot of strong riders and most of the guys didn't make it into that group. Cav's win was impressive too, but of course it's very subjective.

And I don't think Pippo made a huge error in chasing down Gilbert. Goss tried and couldn't make it as he had just chased down Canc. At that point Gilbert had a good jump and I think there's a good chance Gilbert wins right there if Pozzato doesn't chase. Offredo and Canc had just attacked, Scarponi and Nibali had already spent a lot of energy and don't have that kind of power on the flat. The only other guy I see pulling him back at that point was Ballan.

well.. it didnt seemed difficult for them. gilbert isnt superman on the flat. or superman at all. pozzato just saved canc sprinting energy. (he beated gilbert in a sprint. even is small groups sprints gilbert isnt superman. the guy just has a really nice to watch kick.)

but obviously pozzato did the right thing.

about cav's whin and goss's win:

as a sprint, cav's win was just from another world. now that's acceleration and top speed. pure sprinting beauty.

but, as a whole race, goss's win was better. it was more of a strongman win than a sprint.

 

[Ferminal]

Overall this is another ridiculous thread. Goss may turn our to be an excellent rider but Milan san remo fell into his lap. Cancellara almost caught him in the Sprint.

I wish I could have a win "fall into my lap" just by following around (on my own) a group of 10 containing a bag of monuments, world championships, classics and GT stage wins.

Cancellara "almost caught him" - is that the part where he couldn't get within a bike length?

Would Goss' win have been more deserved if the group of 30 stayed together and he beat Haussler by a wheel?

 

[fatsprintking]

I can see why you might think that, but he won from an admittedly elite group but one where he was the known best sprinter and Pozzato made a schoolboy error in chasing Gilbert down. It was a great sprint but very clearly on the cards.

Cav's MSR win was just unbelievable. I bet Haussler still doesnt believe it, Cav's acceleration and speed that day were on another planet.

These threads are getting boring. Champs Elysses, Goss has left HTC, or Cav is with Sky so Goss has the best lead out team - who are you going to bet on? There is only one winner.

But Goss can win stuff Cav never will so there is nothing much to say - they clearly get on and will divvy stuff up as they think best.

Yeah yeah yeah - after getting his ring ripped out to stay on over the climbs, and then having to cover attacks from some of the best attacking riders in the peleton and after racing for 300km, it was an easy win that was always on the cards.....

 

[ergmonkey]

Cancellara says Milan-San Remo was extremely hard this year. I believe him.

 

[movingtarget]

Oh, come on. That was an impressive win, even more impressive than Cav's MSR win, imo.

Yes, Cancellara was making up ground because Goss had eased off to celebrate. He knew he had it won and so did Cancellara. If Goss was the only quality sprinter left standing at the finish, credit to him.