"Change Cycling Now"

[taiwan]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13383/New-Change-Cycling-Now-group-launched-to-push-for-reform-of-UCI-and-cycling.aspx

Just wanted to be first with the thread.

Seems like the most worthwhile anti doping movement that's sprung up post Armstrong.

 

[Tinman]

It's picking up some nice early main stream media coverage. The 2 day meeting is a good idea, further opportunity for press coverage and create momentum on the changes required.

It would add enormously to have some big name rider/team support also.

 

[taiwan]

Have to disagree about the big names. As you can observe in the clinic the likes of Ashenden and Kimmage have a credibility that NOONE who's big in the current sport does. IMO it's important that this organisation does not become a brush with which riders paint themselves white.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

Ooh, exciting stuff. This is what cycling needs, a coordinated initiative! We're about to launch the RepairCycling initiative too. We will have a look at how we can get behind this new project.

It's great to see Turtur's untenable conflicts of interest being exposed too.

The UCI might have thought everyone has gone quiet, but instead people have been working in the background

 

[thehog]

The UCI will do what they do best. Nothing. All of this stuff is nice but it doesn't change a lot. The UCI answer to no one. They don't actually need to do anything.

 

[ElChingon]

The UCI will do what they do best. Nothing. All of this stuff is nice but it doesn't change a lot. The UCI answer to no one. They don't actually need to do anything.

Yup, what have they done so far since the Reasoned Decision. Absolutely nothing but spin doctor their way to doing nothing and keeping it as it has always has been. I'm sure they have the rest of the UCI board on new projects on growing Cycling on Mars by now, doping? Its all over with since 2006, right?

 

[mewmewmew13]

yes, that 2006 magic number where everyone went cold turkey

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Yup, what have they done so far since the Reasoned Decision. Absolutely nothing but spin doctor their way to doing nothing and keeping it as it has always has been. I'm sure they have the rest of the UCI board on new projects on growing Cycling on Mars by now, doping? Its all over with since 2006, right?

The doping hotline, must remember the doping hotline.

And the independent report into things and stuff, still to be completed - not sure if the panel has even been selected yet, so there's that whole process happening too.

Plus they ratified USADA's reasoned decision, in a non-ratifying, please WADA you should appeal this kinda way, but ratified nonetheless.

The most anti-doping activity from any sporting governing body in 2012.

 

[Tinman]

Have to disagree about the big names. As you can observe in the clinic the likes of Ashenden and Kimmage have a credibility that NOONE who's big in the current sport does. IMO it's important that this organisation does not become a brush with which riders paint themselves white.

Have to disagree with you.

Any change in cycling will only come about through sustained public pressure, and resultant government interference, national fed change, and UCI change.

That will only happen if the big names force media interest. Greg's recent statements created a lot of pick up, but it needs recent cycling stars.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/13383/New-Change-Cycling-Now-group-launched-to-push-for-reform-of-UCI-and-cycling.aspx

Just wanted to be first with the thread.

Seems like the most worthwhile anti doping movement that's sprung up post Armstrong.

Looks good on paper, but they have to stay well clear of dodgy personnel such as past/likely dopers, stars with potential hidden agendas or for that matter guys who just want to spin a bob or two.

Maybe it can get traction. I hope so.

 

[sniper]

yes, that 2006 magic number where everyone went cold turkey

JV said 'it' (he called it a 'truce') happened in 2008.

We've seen the fruits of it, haven't we. No more high profile doping cases after 2008. No more suspect performances after 2008.
nada.

 

[simo1733]

Looks good on paper, but they have to stay well clear of dodgy personnel such as past/likely dopers, stars with potential hidden agendas or for that matter guys who just want to spin a bob or two.

Maybe it can get traction. I hope so.

They need to be above reproach.Better off without the Skins dude.

 

[taiwan]

They need to be above reproach.Better off without the Skins dude.

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[Dr. Maserati]

The UCI will do what they do best. Nothing. All of this stuff is nice but it doesn't change a lot. The UCI answer to no one. They don't actually need to do anything.

No.
If the UCI just did nothing, as you say then they could clean their hands of the mess. The reality is the UCI has done quite a lot of bullying and lying to keep them in power.
That is why having this group is a real opportunity to change the sport.
The UCI are now back in the bunch, their bullying patron is gone and others are now driving the bunch.
The only hope for Pat & Hein is that they can grab a bottle as the team cars zoom by when the get ejected.

They need to be above reproach.Better off without the Skins dude.

While I agree any new group needs to be beyond reproach I don't see any problem with Fueller.
In fact it is good that someone who relies on the sport from a business capacity is involved and it compliments the others.

Also, he has a lawsuit on hold against the UCI - he is the guy with the ID who can bring more beer to the party.

 

[lean mean &green]

No.
If the UCI just did nothing, as you say then they could clean their hands of the mess. The reality is the UCI has done quite a lot of bullying and lying to keep them in power.
That is why having this group is a real opportunity to change the sport.
The UCI are now back in the bunch, their bullying patron is gone and others are now driving the bunch.
The only hope for Pat & Hein is that they can grab a bottle as the team cars zoom by when the get ejected.

i'm a little less optimistic but hope you're right

While I agree any new group needs to be beyond reproach I don't see any problem with Fueller.
In fact it is good that someone who relies on the sport from a business capacity is involved and it compliments the others.

Also, he has a lawsuit on hold against the UCI - he is the guy with the ID who can bring more beer to the party.

i'm also ok with "mr skin".

seriously tho, i like Fueller's involvement too.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

i'm a little less optimistic but hope you're right


i'm also ok with "mr skin".

seriously tho, i like Fueller's involvement too.

To keep with my previous analogy - maybe we can expect to see Pat pulled over at the side of the road doing a bike chuck and flaying his arms so he can blame the mechanic for getting shelled.

He is up for election next year - but the heat is even coming from his own management committee. Getting Pat & Hein to withdraw their lawsuit reveals the dissent.
The independent investigation will either uncover their corruption and incompetence or be a white wash to hide their corruption and incompetence (there is no 3rd option).
I expect Pat to announce his withdrawal from re-election "for private reasons" before too long.

 

[DirtyWorks]

The doping hotline, must remember the doping hotline.

And the independent report into things and stuff, still to be completed - not sure if the panel has even been selected yet, so there's that whole process happening too.

Plus they ratified USADA's reasoned decision, in a non-ratifying, please WADA you should appeal this kinda way, but ratified nonetheless.

The most anti-doping activity from any sporting governing body in 2012.

Don't forget the Landis investigation! Oh, wait I don't think we ever heard back from the UCI on that one. Maybe USAC is working on it.

 

[DirtyWorks]

The only hope for Pat & Hein is that they can grab a bottle as the team cars zoom by when the get ejected.

How is that possible? They have a worldwide monopoly on competitive cycling and still backed by the IOC.

I'm with TheHog on this one. These scandals will die down.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

How is that possible? They have a worldwide monopoly on competitive cycling and still backed by the IOC.

I'm with TheHog on this one. These scandals will die down.

These = plural.
That is the UCI problem. It is not just one scandal to attempt to ignore.

I don't see what having a monopoly on cycling has to do with it. Pat and Hein will be pushed out from the inside.

 

[mewmewmew13]

@johanbruyneel
"@JohanBruyneel: A bunch of ******s r gonna meet in London 2 change cycling. But why is @vaughters not on the list? He should be leading that group..."

via twitter a few min ago...
wow


*d.o.u.c.h.e.s

 

[noddy69]

@johanbruyneel
"@JohanBruyneel: A bunch of ******s r gonna meet in London 2 change cycling. But why is @vaughters not on the list? He should be leading that group..."

via twitter a few min ago...
wow


*d.o.u.c.h.e.s

Seriously, hadnt seen his page, but that man needs to be booted from cycling without a doubt. Pics of him and Lance and the yellow jerseys as if neither had done anything wrong, and still having a go at anti doping people....FFS if he isnt given a life ban then there is no hope.

 

[Velodude]

How is that possible? They have a worldwide monopoly on competitive cycling and still backed by the IOC.

I'm with TheHog on this one. These scandals will die down.

It is the UCI Congress who determine Pat's future.

All they can do with Hein is strip him of his honorary presidency for life. He has no position to be re-elected.

Pat will be working the telephones in the lead up to the Annual Congress that votes on his re-election. If he can't get the numbers he will withdraw from re-election.

Media has less or no influence of "club" elections. It is based on personal relations and what sweeteners that can be promised to maintain those relations.

Only a directive from IOC could sway elections, eg., UCI must be seen to be reformed to continue in IOC family.

 

[Kennf1]

@johanbruyneel
"@JohanBruyneel: A bunch of ******s r gonna meet in London 2 change cycling. But why is @vaughters not on the list? He should be leading that group..."

via twitter a few min ago...
wow


*d.o.u.c.h.e.s

Kind of funny that both Johan and Lance have become the internet trolls they used to deride.

 

[sniper]

...
Also, he has a lawsuit on hold against the UCI - he is the guy with the ID who can bring more beer to the party.

in a long interview in a German newspaper (sueddeutsche) yesterday, Fueller said he's considering to get ex-sponsor Rabobank involved in his lawcase against UCI. Apparently Rabobank are sitting on some evidence of some kind, though Fueller said it's still unsure whether Rabobank will come out with the evidence.

 

[Tinman]

Apparently Rabobank are sitting on some evidence of some kind, though Fueller said it's still unsure whether Rabobank will come out with the evidence.

I am sure several teams have people who can blow up UCI. That's why LA was so confident, and why Bruyneel is still so cocky. Problem is that by doing so you also damage yourself, and that for Rabo is the issue. If they can come out the big hero and "change cycling now" they certainly would, but there is much past dirt that will stick and be damaging. Whether senior management is able to assess this risk in full will determine whether Rabo will come out and have a go. The rider survey just published shows the extent of Omerta they may have to battle before they can truly assess how much past liability risk they carry.

Interestingly also that Rabo declined Pat's offer for a one year sponsorship deal.