"Change Cycling Now"

[hiero2]

This almost deserves a thread of it's own: the boys at Velocast were part of the CCN summit and press meeting later. They have their own views to share about the experience:

http://velocastcc.squarespace.com/race-radio/2012/12/10/now-change-cycling.html

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

Was this posted elsewhere?

Great move by CCN. The independent commission has invited them to take part and they've said, "only if USADA/WADA are happy with terms of reference".

Using their media pull to put Pats whitewash under the microscope and emphasise WADA/USADA expertise is a smart counterattack. The manifesto called for WADA involvement in the commission too.

Wonder if pat knew this was coming when he was issuing the personal attacks the other day?

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Anyhow anyone who wants to say anything different than,,,, the CCN is the greatest group of cycling Mensa's ever assembled then please keep those opinions to yourself.

CCN you are savior of cycling's ailing, world hunger, war, the plague, natural disasters etc. I sure hope you are working on this Mayan calender thing because the End of the World is only 4 days 12 hours and 47 minutes away....you guys need to get on this asap.

If you are big on twitter you can probably get a place for your opinion and twitter avatar with this CCN group.

 

[red_flanders]

Anyhow anyone who wants to say anything different than,,,, the CCN is the greatest group of cycling Mensa's ever assembled then please keep those opinions to yourself.

CCN you are savior of cycling's ailing, world hunger, war, the plague, natural disasters etc. I sure hope you are working on this Mayan calender thing because the End of the World is only 4 days 12 hours and 47 minutes away....you guys need to get on this asap.

If you are big on twitter you can probably get a place for your opinion and twitter avatar with this CCN group.

What exactly is your beef with this group? Surely you're not defending the status quo?

 

[Benotti69]

What exactly is your beef with this group? Surely you're not defending the status quo?

Armstrong fanboy has a beef with people who never believed the myth! Nah

 

[skippy]

Like myself , the people signing onto the CCN Petition want to see CHANGE !

Most of the clinic SAY they want a better UCI , but when they have a place to record their vote , what do they do ?

they are missing in action ! that or they fallen asleep !

Lazyness , paralysis , WHO CARES !

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Like myself , the people signing onto the CCN Petition want to see CHANGE !

Most of the clinic SAY they want a better UCI , but when they have a place to record their vote , what do they do ?

they are missing in action ! that or they fallen asleep !

Lazyness , paralysis , WHO CARES !

How do you know what people have done or not?

 

[MarkvW]

Like myself , the people signing onto the CCN Petition want to see CHANGE !

Most of the clinic SAY they want a better UCI , but when they have a place to record their vote , what do they do ?

they are missing in action ! that or they fallen asleep !

Lazyness , paralysis , WHO CARES !

Signing a petition won't do anything. Only money talks.

Don't join the UCI. Don't buy high-end racing bikes and components. Boycott companies that support the peloton.

Petitions won't do anything unless they translate to money.

 

[Oldman]

Signing a petition won't do anything. Only money talks.

Don't join the UCI. Don't buy high-end racing bikes and components. Boycott companies that support the peloton.

Petitions won't do anything unless they translate to money.

Noting your positions on several forum topics usually are simplistic and hard line I'll not aggravate you by disagreement on the money topic. If the same money lands in the same hands currently controlling the events and governance nothing can change.
CCN is a threat to that status quo whether you like them or not. The possibility that WADA, USADA and others, supported by
CCN; may force this UCI investigation to go where it needs to go is a positive. Again, you don't need to like them to know a catalyst is necessary to capitalize on the wave of publicity forcing the issue to public attention. That can affect the finances in a way you suggest.
If you have an idea for the next level of strategy and desired outcome it'd be great to hear it.
For me the UCI (and IOC) system needs to get fully broken down and this is a start.

 

[MarkvW]

Noting your positions on several forum topics usually are simplistic and hard line I'll not aggravate you by disagreement on the money topic. If the same money lands in the same hands currently controlling the events and governance nothing can change.
CCN is a threat to that status quo whether you like them or not. The possibility that WADA, USADA and others, supported by
CCN; may force this UCI investigation to go where it needs to go is a positive. Again, you don't need to like them to know a catalyst is necessary to capitalize on the wave of publicity forcing the issue to public attention. That can affect the finances in a way you suggest.
If you have an idea for the next level of strategy and desired outcome it'd be great to hear it.
For me the UCI (and IOC) system needs to get fully broken down and this is a start.

No way am I going to try to attempt any kind of sophisticated analysis on this forum.

If a competing league comes into play, then that will draw money (and necessarily power) from the UCI power structure that puts McBruggen in place.

My next level of strategy is increased power to the riders (through a union). It would screw up antidoping, probably (at least initially), but it would crush McBruggen and drive a direct interaction between the money people and the riders. Right now, the UCI is just a corrupt broker between the money people and the riders.

The riders are going to work to keep on doping (look at the NFL and MLB unions, for example (as well as massive FIFA doping)), but NOTHING can be done until the system starts to treat the riders equitably.

 

[Oldman]

No way am I going to try to attempt any kind of sophisticated analysis on this forum.

If a competing league comes into play, then that will draw money (and necessarily power) from the UCI power structure that puts McBruggen in place.

My next level of strategy is increased power to the riders (through a union). It would screw up antidoping, probably (at least initially), but it would crush McBruggen and drive a direct interaction between the money people and the riders.

The riders are going to work to keep on doping (look at the NFL and MLB unions, for example (as well as massive FIFA doping)), but NOTHING can be done until the system starts to treat the riders equitably.

Well there you are; some ideas beyond a complete financial boycott and initiatives I would agree could work. Obviously the riders need some serious authority to assist governing their sport. Again; the current level of public scrutiny could force an independent agency to conduct testing if for no other reason than to provide credibility for the IOC and broadcasters. The riders are in no position to disagree and must accept their level of responsibility for the current state of affairs. Guys like Chris Horner are on the way out as long as the governance changes the testing game; not allowing the equivalent of an stereotype you suggest of the NFL and MLB. Note that MLB has suspended major stars in a public effort to clean up the image of the game (that's part of the money deal, you must admit). AIGCP is no way as organized as the MLBPA so, while there's always risk of cheating and abuse this is the best time to assure that level of power doesn't rest in one house.

Pro cycling differs hugely from franchise sports because of the scattered interests. Your skepticism is justified but so is some cautious optimism.

 

[MarkvW]

Well there you are; some ideas beyond a complete financial boycott and initiatives I would agree could work. Obviously the riders need some serious authority to assist governing their sport. Again; the current level of public scrutiny could force an independent agency to conduct testing if for no other reason than to provide credibility for the IOC and broadcasters. The riders are in no position to disagree and must accept their level of responsibility for the current state of affairs. Guys like Chris Horner are on the way out as long as the governance changes the testing game; not allowing the equivalent of an stereotype you suggest of the NFL and MLB. Note that MLB has suspended major stars in a public effort to clean up the image of the game (that's part of the money deal, you must admit). AIGCP is no way as organized as the MLBPA so, while there's always risk of cheating and abuse this is the best time to assure that level of power doesn't rest in one house.

Pro cycling differs hugely from franchise sports because of the scattered interests. Your skepticism is justified but so is some cautious optimism.

There are a LOT of people involved with the sport who want the sport to remain a small and provincial good old boy's network. Working within such a system is a waste of time. I'd like to see the whole thing blown up. After all, it's only a sport (not a nation-state). It would be fun to watch the UCI implode.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Armstrong fanboy has a beef with people who never believed the myth! Nah

ok fangirl. I guess it is within the rules here to call someone a name so I felt free to say ....that your fangirl avatar really is nice.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

What exactly is your beef with this group? Surely you're not defending the status quo?

Not defending the status.

I do not like Skins. I do not like as a fan being told to sign a petition that will go no where. Do not like something called charter of the willing. There are some other thing but would not want to throw stones at someone who is not represented here to counter my complaints.

Maybe Lemond is the guy to take over but just having a group called change cycling now tell me who should be appointed is the wrong way to go about bringing change.

How about going to USCycling and bring it down first because they are garbage.

 

[python]

Armstrong fan boy [Glenn Wilson] has a beef with people who never believed the myth! Nah

ok fangirl. I guess it is within the rules here to call someone a name so I felt free to say ....that your fangirl avatar really is nice.

glad to see you did not deny being Armstrong fan boy/girl. thanx for that

….but would not want to throw stones at someone who is not represented here to counter my complaints.

what a noble fella …

where was the very fella when their/his clones where banned for attempting to recreate themselves when other regular posters tried to to counter ‘their’ complaints

 

[python]

glad to see you did not deny being Armstrong fan boy/girl. thanx for that


what a noble fella …

where was the very fella when their/his clones where banned for attempting to recreate themselves to counter ‘their’ complaints by the multiple disagreeing posters

10 char.................

 

[red_flanders]

How are folks to bring down USCycling?

Personally I think all this puts pressure on McQuiad, which is a good thing IMO.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

no need for post.

 

[Oldman]

How are folks to bring down USCycling?

Personally I think all this puts pressure on McQuiad, which is a good thing IMO.

USACycling would be vulnerable if any of the evidence related to the USADA RD or GJ yields some potential fraud charges for Tailwind Owners or operators. That opinion is based on Thom Weisel getting pushed out of the sport or his credibility so tarnished the USAC could not live off his foundation and control. There are many irritated local federations and former USAC supporters that would love to help clean house.
At this point their embarrassment for not supporting USADA is reason enough to ask for resignations at the top.

 

[Benotti69]

David Walsh Vid on CNN

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?hpt=h...12/18/intv-cycling-doping-armstrong-walsh.cnn