Changes Cookson has implemented at UCI

[MarkvW]

I don't believe they stored any incriminating evidence on the computers in the first place. When you read about the dodgy things going on, you read 2 things:

1. LA visiting Switzerland (face to face)
2. UCI calling Tyler Hamilton (phone call)

No computer-based communication or method is mentioned in any of these stories.

The absence of information might also be interesting.

 

[hrotha]

I don't believe they stored any incriminating evidence on the computers in the first place. When you read about the dodgy things going on, you read 2 things:

1. LA visiting Switzerland (face to face)
2. UCI calling Tyler Hamilton (phone call)

No computer-based communication or method is mentioned in any of these stories.

Two incidents, none of them recent, in 12 years. I'd say that's not statistically significant info.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Two incidents, none of them recent, in 12 years. I'd say that's not statistically significant info.

I am not sure on the intent of your post. I am providing once instance, where known activities were conducted, to support a claim that computers are not necessarily involved.

We don't actually have that many other incidents to look at. Do you know of any?

Your post seems to indicate something is going to be found on the confiscated hardware. I guess we can just wait and see. If nothing is found, we have 4 options:

1. nothing was ever done
2. the computers were already wiped
3. some other method / hardware was used
4. something is found but Cookson's definition of "transparency" aligns with Brailsford's

Given I couldn't be paid to believe #1, the remainder stand pretty firm. So my point: that this is just a PR exercise, looks pretty damn solid to me.

Or do you think this is also statistically insignificant?

 

[Dr_Stav]

The seizing a PC's etc is more to do with recent documents that'll still be present on the PC. The file may have gone, but the draft word file entitled "FAO Hein; I think we need to urgently discuss the dossier" would still be in the recently cached folder. Had any of the recent revelations about a whole host of allegations riled McQuaid, then there would be the record of McQuid searching for specific information, emails transactions between himself and any other parties of interest etc. From this information (or even the meta data - email addresses and time of emails or phone calls, not the content itself), a good forensics team can piece together what actions may have been taken.

For an example, McQ may have had an email from a certain contact, then immediately checked an account through online banking, then called another contact. You may not know the content of the email, the amount in the account or the content of the phone conversation, but the pattern (was this a single event or a monthly event?) would help build a picture.

 

[hrotha]

Dear Wiggo, you're reading way too much into my post. It doesn't "seem to indicate" anything other than you can't say seizing PCs couldn't possibly yield any important info just because of two incidents from many years ago. Technology marches on, you know.

Computers aren't necessarily involved, but that's not what your initial post said. You said you didn't believe any useful information would be stored in the computers based on how the UCI operated up to 12 years ago. Personally I find it unlikely that no trace was ever left in the computers (and what was deleted can sometimes be recovered), so PR or not, this is the right thing to do. Maybe it's PR, but it's a fact that you can't have a serious investigation without checking the computers.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I look forward to the outcome.

 

[thehog]

I am not sure on the intent of your post. I am providing once instance, where known activities were conducted, to support a claim that computers are not necessarily involved.

We don't actually have that many other incidents to look at. Do you know of any?

Your post seems to indicate something is going to be found on the confiscated hardware. I guess we can just wait and see. If nothing is found, we have 4 options:

1. nothing was ever done
2. the computers were already wiped
3. some other method / hardware was used
4. something is found but Cookson's definition of "transparency" aligns with Brailsford's

Given I couldn't be paid to believe #1, the remainder stand pretty firm. So my point: that this is just a PR exercise, looks pretty damn solid to me.

Or do you think this is also statistically insignificant?

A few points. Depending on what Kroll took there won’t be much on the individual workstations. Servers and backup tapes where its at.

However often it’s the traces of deletion which lead you to the prize.

Hard disk drives don’t actually delete data when its erased. It only removes the record from the index table. It can over written but if the sectors are non-contiguous it will mostly likely still remain in some form. They should be able to build partial emails and files.

My feeling is McQuaid isn’t stupid. He would have hired in a company who would perform the wiping at sector level and wipe clean everything. Without a trace.

If he didn’t then he’s stupid.

In addition law requires you to keep records for 7 years. If masses of emails and files are deleted then that will be a problem also.

Deloittes are the UCI auditors. They better not be part of a cover up. Their reputation relies on it. Altrhough it won’t be the next Andersens they can’t be seen in passing the fraud.

Interesting times but I tend to agree the corruption in the UCI was low level money changing hands type. Let’s see.

 

[thehog]

and maybe they'll find Froome secret Aigle test?!!!

 

[Bronstein]

and maybe they'll find Froome secret Aigle test?!!!

The cycling equivalent of the Rosetta Stone.

 

[heart_attack_man]

My guess is not that Cookson has had these computers forensically analysed, just that he wanted to prevent any further mass-deletion of incriminating evidence - I'd suggest that the horse had already bolted by that time.

I also think that obviously Cookson has done this with the best intent, otherwise he wouldn't have done it at all.

It would be very interesting if Cookson confirmed he had stored these computers away for the "investigation". I hope so.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The seizing a PC's etc is more to do with recent documents that'll still be present on the PC. The file may have gone, but the draft word file entitled "FAO Hein; I think we need to urgently discuss the dossier" would still be in the recently cached folder. Had any of the recent revelations about a whole host of allegations riled McQuaid, then there would be the record of McQuid searching for specific information, emails transactions between himself and any other parties of interest etc. From this information (or even the meta data - email addresses and time of emails or phone calls, not the content itself), a good forensics team can piece together what actions may have been taken.

For an example, McQ may have had an email from a certain contact, then immediately checked an account through online banking, then called another contact. You may not know the content of the email, the amount in the account or the content of the phone conversation, but the pattern (was this a single event or a monthly event?) would help build a picture.

Yip - while obviously not everything would have been through computers or email, there would have been a lot of activity in the last number of years especially in what was going on in Aigle when USADA made contact and also while preparing for the ill fated Independent Commission.

More importantly we might find out how often Pat visited The Clinic.

 

[DirtyWorks]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cookson-investigators-seized-uci-computers-right-after-election

Fraud and Corruption firm working for Cookson siezed the UCI's computers minutes after he was elected to make sure nothing was destroyed that shouldn't be. Gotta say Brian is doing a heck of a job and I hope that anything to do with any criminal actions is handed over to the Swiss Federal Police, Europol and the FBI asap.

Hold on, the UCI would incriminate itself for no reason other than to cast more doubt on the federation? I don't think so.

Cookson won't publicly discredit his predecessor or Verbruggen. It only generates more doubt for an institution has a worldwide monopoly on bike racing that reports to no one. Does he want to know what they were busy doing the last few months? Absolutely.

It's time to whip out PR message #2: the UCI does not dwell in the past.

 

[thehog]

Hold on, the UCI would incriminate itself for no reason other than to cast more doubt on the federation? I don't think so.

Cookson won't publicly discredit his predecessor or Verbruggen. It only generates more doubt for an institution has a worldwide monopoly on bike racing that reports to no one. Does he want to know what they were busy doing the last few months? Absolutely.

It's time to whip out PR message #2: the UCI does not dwell in the past.

Cookson has been part of the UCI for love you long time.

Surely he should have been ordering in Kroll some time if he suspect naughty stuff, yes?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I don't believe they stored any incriminating evidence on the computers in the first place. When you read about the dodgy things going on, you read 2 things:

1. LA visiting Switzerland (face to face)
2. UCI calling Tyler Hamilton (phone call)

No computer-based communication or method is mentioned in any of these stories.

I rest my case.

In a message sent to Cyclingnews late Thursday evening, McQuaid wrote, “That story is bullsh!t - my laptop was with me in Florence and came back to Switzerland with me - a week later I gave it to the UCI to clear my UCI files and the laptop is now back with me!!”

Kroll confiscation = pure PR.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Yip - while obviously not everything would have been through computers or email, there would have been a lot of activity in the last number of years especially in what was going on in Aigle when USADA made contact and also while preparing for the ill fated Independent Commission.

More importantly we might find out how often Pat visited The Clinic.

Aha! It's all becoming clear. Pat was BPC! After angry Hein (Carboncrank) got banned for being angry, he kept sending Pat back into the clinic fray to disrupt all the Lance talk. It all makes sense now.

Was Rumpf Polish or Flicker?

This UCI investigation is going to reveal so much good stuff. I'd better go buy some popcorn.

 

[thehog]

Although Tinkov is a nutter I hope Cookson can implement revenue sharing.

The words ring true in regards to doping and treatment of riders.

The Hein model was akin to slavery.

"Why do I want to own a team? The answer is very simple," he explains.

"We all know that cycling has had a lot problems and I hope things will get better in the near future as we see more professional people involved. For me its fundamental that the owner of the team should be the one who pays the bills. It's about control and responsibility.

"The problems of cycling today is that the teams are usually managed by former riders and former sports directors who don't have any of their own money. They go begging to sponsors for funding and yet the sponsors pay 100 per cent of the bills but don't have any leverage on the running of the team. That's absurd. A team manager should run the team, not worry about the budget. If Bjarne had spent more time coaching Contador instead of looking for sponsors perhaps he'd have done better at the Tour de France…

"With teams not getting any of the TV rights, the managers are victims of the system. At the moment team managers only have sponsors as a source of income and so they often try to steal money, allow doping to be successful and treat the riders badly when they get desperate. We need to change things."

"If you are just a sponsor you have no control on running of the team. If I pay 10 million of Euro, I want to make sure I get 10 million of Euro of exposure. I don't want my brand diluted if the team brings in another sponsor or signs riders that aren't good. I want to have my say because I put in the money."

Tinkov calls on the UCI to create a new structure for the sport that will encourage business and investors to own and control the teams instead of team managers.

"I really hope the UCI and new president Brian Cookson makes the changes that are needed," he says.

"We need more businessmen involved and we need more bike brands such as Cannondale or Trek to own the teams. They'll make much more responsible decisions and cycling would be run more like a business. Katusha, BMC, Cannondale are the right model. Where the people who own the team pays the bills and where a skilled manager runs the team but does not have to worry about the money."

Link here: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exc...itter-doping-and-his-dislike-of-team-managers

 

[skippy]

Seems that Aigle will be busy this week with the " Management Committee Meet "!

Suggest others follow me by voicing their opinion :

skippy mc carthy ‏@skippydetour 1h
@BrianCooksonUCI @gaudryt Safety on ROADS for Cyclists TOO Important to be IGNORED in Aigle! Code of Conduct ADVISED TO MEDIA will be START!

Of course my wishes in parrabuddy.blogspot.com will have been ignored here but a few of you have dropped by in the past ?

 

[skippy]

First reports of the Aigle Meet :

http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENe...s/UCI/UCI7/layout.asp?MenuId=MTI2Mjc&LangId=1

Cooksons Tweet :

Brian Cookson OBE ‏@BrianCooksonUCI 45m
For full details from today's @UCI_cycling mgt committee meeting, please visit http://www.uci.ch/Modules/ENews/ENe...s/UCI/UCI7/layout.asp?MenuId=MTI2Mjc&LangId=1 …

Confirmed by Race Radio :

Race Radio ‏@TheRaceRadio 13m
How much is @BrianCooksonUCI paid? http://tinyurl.com/lfbqhhp CHF340,000 [CHF110,000 less than equivalent package at time of election]

 

[MarkvW]

Cookson owes the fans the story of the Sysmex machine.

I'll bet there are absolutely no UCI records covering Lance's "donation" and how the "donation" was disbursed.

Inquiring minds want to know!!

 

[D-Queued]

Cookson owes the fans the story of the Sysmex machine.

I'll bet there are absolutely no UCI records covering Lance's "donation" and how the "donation" was disbursed.

Inquiring minds want to know!!

That's why they seized Phat's computer... he may have tried to cover his tracks, but the bits and bytes are still there.

Dave.

 

[timmers]

Although Tinkov is a nutter I hope Cookson can implement revenue sharing.

The words ring true in regards to doping and treatment of riders.

The Hein model was akin to slavery.



Link here: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exc...itter-doping-and-his-dislike-of-team-managers

So we this Tinkov has the answers?????

Revenue sharing works in a closed model such as F1, NBA, Premier League.

Road cycling relies on non-paying spectators to create excitement for the TV viewers.

 

[sniper]

Many don't appear to know that UKAD fully allows by its own rules a retroactive TUE even after positive. Just as long as it's done within 10 days (although extensions are allowed).

you gotta be kiddin me. \
Did cookson have a hand in this or know about this and didn't do anything?
I understand cookson's agenda is full, but anything other than decisive action from cookson to discard this rule will, in my opinion, be another red flag for his credibility (added to the massive red flag called Oliver).

The procedure follows the general concept in pro cycling: everything goes unless you test positive.

+1

 

[Avoriaz]

you gotta be kiddin me. \
Did cookson have a hand in this or know about this and didn't do anything?
I understand cookson's agenda is full, but anything other than decisive action from cookson to discard this rule will, in my opinion, be another red flag for his credibility (added to the massive red flag called Oliver).


+1

Also says:

A TUE is required for athletes at the following levels of competition:

1. Cyclists in UK Anti-Doping's National Registered Testing Pool
2. Academy Riders
3. Olympic Development Riders

TUEs for National level athletes should be submitted to UK Anti-Doping for review. Only in emergency situations (e.g. allergic reaction, exacerbation of asthma, onset of bell's palsy) should treatment begin without TUE approval.

That little scamp The Hog didn't mention this. I should imagine this condition is pretty similar across the globe in terms of pre-TUE treatment

 

[sniper]

Also says:

perhaps the racer shouldn't be allowed to race in such emergency situations.

I should imagine this condition is pretty similar across the globe in terms of pre-TUE treatment

i hope not, but it's an interesting question.

 

[thehog]

Also says:



That little scamp The Hog didn't mention this. I should imagine this condition is pretty similar across the globe in terms of pre-TUE treatment

No. You didn't read the the details correctly.

I suggest you go back a look again.