Chris Comical serves up a fresh batch of Kool-Aid (or maybe it's Hawaiian Punch?)

[ravens]

Being dubious about Carmichael's connection with doping, is like questioning Charles Manson's ties with murder.

lol
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[buckwheat]

OK guys. I agree LA is the devil in the myopic world of buckwheat and Berzin.

A little hysterical here? The simple fact is that the guy is a scumbag and bad for the sport. Sorry to get in the way of your idolatry.

BTW, maybe I am starting with a moral deficit in this argument.

It's not complicated. Cheating is bad. Then to use charity to hide fraud is reprehensible.

 

[Anonymous]

It's not complicated. Cheating is bad. Then to use charity to hide fraud is reprehensible.

Not just charity, but also cancer. The way he turns an attack on him into an attack on cancer is disgusting. Kimmage was right, a shame he was then vilified by an army of know-nothing "fans".

What I want to know is why people like Vaughters, who have no vested interest in uphlding the myth any more, are too scared to speak out against him.

Yes Vaughters, if you're reading this, scared. There can be no other explanation.

Unless it's for personal wealth that comes with the increased exposure to cycling, but if that's the case he's as bad as the man himself.

 

[Ferminal]

Not just charity, but also cancer. The way he turns an attack on him into an attack on cancer is disgusting. Kimmage was right, a shame he was then vilified by an army of know-nothing "fans".

What I want to know is why people like Vaughters, who have no vested interest in uphlding the myth any more, are too scared to speak out against him.

Yes Vaughters, if you're reading this, scared. There can be no other explanation.

Unless it's for personal wealth that comes with the increased exposure to cycling, but if that's the case he's as bad as the man himself.

Does JV hate the man? Is he prepared to become a victim of LA and his fans hatred? Would speaking out jeopardise his job (sponsorship)?

Not to mention it would be a further notch on his double standards - running a clean team, speaking out against Armstrong, but then wanting Contador and condoning Wiggins.

Maybe people just want to live their lives and forget the man, stay as far away from him as they can.

 

[Escarabajo]

Does JV hate the man? Is he prepared to become a victim of LA and his fans hatred? Would speaking out jeopardise his job (sponsorship)?

...

Maybe people just want to live their lives and forget the man, stay as far away from him as they can.

+1.

Jonathan Vaughters will not gain anything from speaking out against the man. It is a loose - loose situation.

 

[Anonymous]

Does JV hate the man? Is he prepared to become a victim of LA and his fans hatred? Would speaking out jeopardise his job (sponsorship)?

Not to mention it would be a further notch on his double standards - running a clean team, speaking out against Armstrong, but then wanting Contador and condoning Wiggins.

Maybe people just want to live their lives and forget the man, stay as far away from him as they can.

True. There's probably a lesson to be learned there for us fans too, I feel.

 

[Kennf1]

+1.

Jonathan Vaughters will not gain anything from speaking out against the man. It is a loose - loose situation.

Yep. There's little to be gained (personally) from picking a fight with the Armstrong PR/legal machine. Who wants to mess with that. It would consume all of JV's times and resources. Vaughters is now "in the system," and working his dream job--look where he was just four years ago with Slipstream. If he decides to start dropping bombshells, he'd find himself sitting at a the local tavern with Patrice Leclerc saying "I used to be a DS. Tough racket."

 

[python]

+1.

Jonathan Vaughters will not gain anything from speaking out against the man. It is a loose - loose situation.

i pretty much agree with one caveat - it's disadvantageous to speak out now at the moment because armstrong is still holding a lot of power and influence.

but there will be a moment when it'll fade away and i am sure a lot of people can't wait for that moment. jv appears a smart man with the legal twist to his mentality.

the wisest normally strike at the time of their choosing, on their own conditions and not when the emotion runs high. .

that's why i believe, partially, armstrong is back and will try to hang around cycling for as long as possible - so that he could postpone the moment of his low point.


but the reckoning is inevitable. he had hurt too many good people.

 

[Anonymous]

i pretty much agree with one caveat - it's disadvantageous to speak out now at the moment because armstrong is still holding a lot of power and influence.

but there will be a moment when it'll fade away and i am sure a lot of people can't wait for that moment. jv appears a smart man with the legal twist to his mentality.

the wisest normally strike at the time of their choosing, on their own conditions and not when the emotion runs high. .

that's why i believe, partially, armstrong is back and will try to hang around cycling for as long as possible - so that he could postpone the moment of his low point.


but the reckoning is inevitable. he had hurt too many good people.

It's funny you say that, I've always had in mind that omerta was part of the reason for his return. JB probably told him that riders were starting to talk, assisted by Kimmage's comment about his time with Garmin, and so he decided to come back to try to keep people quiet.

 

[Oncearunner8]

+1.

Jonathan Vaughters will not gain anything from speaking out against the man. It is a loose - loose situation.

I agree that hookers / prostitutes are “loose – loose” situations.

I also would like to vote on the legalization of prostitutes.

Yall should take it easy on ChrisE and his bro-mance.

 

[ChrisE]

I agree that hookers / prostitutes are “loose – loose” situations.

I also would like to vote on the legalization of prostitutes.

Yall should take it easy on ChrisE and his bro-mance.

I never thought I would see the day where I would get gang-banged by Buckwheat Berzin. They really showed me.

 

[Oncearunner8]

I never thought I would see the day where I would get gang-banged by Buckwheat Berzin. They really showed me.

You was played like a john at Treasures!