Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[LaFlorecita]

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It's been so traumatic that even Contador himself adopted childish rationalisation of his fans: "It's 2-1 for me in total... the itt and a stage, you know..."

cause there were 3 GC stages and Alberto beat the praying mantis in 2 of them. And by the way I believe Froome got dropped on 4 stages in Catalunya so it is now 6-1

 

[ray j willings]

Bertie fans don't get up in arms and lose sleep over a defeat. Facts tell the story. Bertie last season decimated your boy "toyed with him"
One stage victory against a obviously not right Bertie is not really much to shout about. The fact that Froome obviously was in good form and Bertie beat him in the ITT and dropped him the day before only proves that Froome cannot match Bertie. You Froome fans are hanging on to a tour win that's nearly 2 years old against no healthy opposition apart from a young Quintana. Your clinging on to some sort of dream that will never happen again unless the opposition is unhealthy again.
Bertie is a multi champion, He has defeated the very best, Froome has a long way to go to match Bertie.
The fact that Froome chickened out of riding the Giro after announcing that he would prefer the Giro as the Tour was to mountainous.
Then changed his mind once he knew Bertie was riding it and opted for his best chance of a GT win against a tired Bertie.
I think Froome needs to worry about Quintana come the tour. Quintana will put some big time into Froome on at least 1 or maybe 2 stages.

 

[SeriousSam]

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By the way I doubt that "last km" was 1 km as the speeds were rather high IIRC yet the last k seemed to go on forever so this "enormous amount of time in 1km" is a bit silly (reply to SeriousSam not you)

Sure, 1km can seemingly go on forever if you're going slow like Contador after cracking. Then it just goes on and on, a never ending tortuous affair.
Froome, though, covered that km rapidly.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Bertie fans don't get up in arms and lose sleep over a defeat. Facts tell the story. Bertie last season decimated your boy "toyed with him"
One stage victory against a obviously not right Bertie is not really much to shout about. The fact that Froome obviously was in good form and Bertie beat him in the ITT and dropped him the day before only proves that Froome cannot match Bertie. You Froome fans are hanging on to a tour win that's nearly 2 years old against no healthy opposition apart from a young Quintana. Your clinging on to some sort of dream that will never happen again unless the opposition is unhealthy again.
Bertie is a multi champion, He has defeated the very best, Froome has a long way to go to match Bertie.
The fact that Froome chickened out of riding the Giro after announcing that he would prefer the Giro as the Tour was to mountainous.
Then changed his mind once he knew Bertie was riding it and opted for his best chance of a GT win against a tired Bertie.
I think Froome needs to worry about Quintana come the tour. Quintana will put some big time into Froome on at least 1 or maybe 2 stages.

Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, and that was when Froome was coming back from injury and only turned up for some racing days. Failed to beat him in any race in 2013, failed to match him in the 2014 Dauphine until Froome fell, which was the only time both Froome and Contador have been close to top form, and failed to beat him at the Ruta Del Sol. He knows he's got absolutely no chance against Froome in the Tour, so he's using the Giro as an excuse when he does indeed get dropped by Froome at the Tour.

 

[Miburo]

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Bertie fans don't get up in arms and lose sleep over a defeat. Facts tell the story. Bertie last season decimated your boy "toyed with him"
One stage victory against a obviously not right Bertie is not really much to shout about. The fact that Froome obviously was in good form and Bertie beat him in the ITT and dropped him the day before only proves that Froome cannot match Bertie. You Froome fans are hanging on to a tour win that's nearly 2 years old against no healthy opposition apart from a young Quintana. Your clinging on to some sort of dream that will never happen again unless the opposition is unhealthy again.
Bertie is a multi champion, He has defeated the very best, Froome has a long way to go to match Bertie.
The fact that Froome chickened out of riding the Giro after announcing that he would prefer the Giro as the Tour was to mountainous.
Then changed his mind once he knew Bertie was riding it and opted for his best chance of a GT win against a tired Bertie.
I think Froome needs to worry about Quintana come the tour. Quintana will put some big time into Froome on at least 1 or maybe 2 stages.

Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, and that was when Froome was coming back from injury and only turned up for some racing days. Failed to beat him in any race in 2013, failed to match him in the 2014 Dauphine until Froome fell, which was the only time both Froome and Contador have been close to top form, and failed to beat him at the Ruta Del Sol. He knows he's got absolutely no chance against Froome in the Tour, so he's using the Giro as an excuse when he does indeed get dropped by Froome at the Tour.

Ah there we go, very nice.

Your memory is pretty bad isn't, it? Forgot about vuelta 2012?

Oh yea Froome did the tour, that's the excuse right?

Let's forget Contador had almost nothing in his legs for that vuelta.

Now vuelta 2014? Oh froome wasn't top, what about Contador?

Selective memory FTW

 

[The Hitch]

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Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, and that was when Froome was coming back from injury and only turned up for some racing days.

That's true. But then its also true that Chris Froome has never won a race where Zakarin has been present, therefore Zakarin > Froome, amiright?

I'm with you that a few buthurt Contador fans like rayjwillings are in denial about how good Froome is and how much success he has had against Contador.

But at the same time I think its important to make clear in posts like these that the only reason Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, (actually its 2 and both were gts) is because Froome for the majority of his career wasn't good enough to even make the team in these races. But Contador easily flew away from every single person that beat Froome to make those teams. So its really not that impressive. He's only faced Contador in 1 tiny window of Berties grander career. And even in that window, Contador is 2-1 vs Froome in gts, though of course Froome's gt was a million times more dominant and impressive.

 

[Miburo]

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Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, and that was when Froome was coming back from injury and only turned up for some racing days.

That's true. But then its also true that Chris Froome has never won a race where Zakarin has been present, therefore Zakarin > Froome, amiright?

I'm with you that a few buthurt Contador fans like rayjwillings are in denial about how good Froome is and how much success he has had against Contador.

But at the same time I think its important to make clear in posts like these that the only reason Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, (actually its 2 and both were gts) is because Froome for the majority of his career wasn't good enough to even make the team in these races. But Contador easily flew away from every single person that beat Froome to make those teams. So its really not that impressive. He's only faced Contador in 1 tiny window of Berties grander career. And even in that window, Contador is 2-1 vs Froome in gts, though of course Froome's gt was a million times more dominant and impressive.

No hitch, his statement isn't true.

 

[ray j willings]

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PremierAndrew wrote

"Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, and that was when Froome was coming back from injury and only turned up for some racing days. Failed to beat him in any race in 2013, failed to match him in the 2014 Dauphine until Froome fell, which was the only time both Froome and Contador have been close to top form, and failed to beat him at the Ruta Del Sol. He knows he's got absolutely no chance against Froome in the Tour, so he's using the Giro as an excuse when he does indeed get dropped by Froome at the Tour"

my response ...
2013 we all know Bertie was way off his best. If you think anything else then your an idiot.

By failed to match you mean" could not drop Bertie with his aggressive attack" For the rest of that dauphine Froome was Fu%%ed. Don't try and tell me he was badly injured as he attacked with 1K to go on the way to Finhaut -Emoson when Bertie dropped him. See for yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPaXiD1NoU4

At the Ruta del Sol Bertie beat Froome in the ITT and Dropped him and everyone on the first mountain stage.

Also you seem to have forgot that Bertie beat Froome at the Vuelta last year.
So in all those races Froome only managed to drop a out of sorts Bertie Once "Ruta del Sol.

You can prove anything with Facts

 

[ray j willings]

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Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, and that was when Froome was coming back from injury and only turned up for some racing days.

That's true. But then its also true that Chris Froome has never won a race where Zakarin has been present, therefore Zakarin > Froome, amiright?

I'm with you that a few buthurt Contador fans like rayjwillings are in denial about how good Froome is and how much success he has had against Contador.

But at the same time I think its important to make clear in posts like these that the only reason Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, (actually its 2 and both were gts) is because Froome for the majority of his career wasn't good enough to even make the team in these races. But Contador easily flew away from every single person that beat Froome to make those teams. So its really not that impressive. He's only faced Contador in 1 tiny window of Berties grander career. And even in that window, Contador is 2-1 vs Froome in gts, though of course Froome's gt was a million times more dominant and impressive.

Hey Hitch. You do seem to love mentioning my name.
I love you to dude

 

[ray j willings]

last year 2014 Bertie v Froome ,,,its all there. WARNING don't watch if you get upset at Bertie defeating Froome


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YScKkvHIxwE

 

[sir fly]

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It's been so traumatic that even Contador himself adopted childish rationalisation of his fans: "It's 2-1 for me in total... the itt and a stage, you know..."

cause there were 3 GC stages and Alberto beat the praying mantis in 2 of them. And by the way I believe Froome got dropped on 4 stages in Catalunya so it is now 6-1

Or maybe 'cause there's no other way to beat Froomey.

 

[SeriousSam]

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It's been so traumatic that even Contador himself adopted childish rationalisation of his fans: "It's 2-1 for me in total... the itt and a stage, you know..."

cause there were 3 GC stages and Alberto beat the praying mantis in 2 of them. And by the way I believe Froome got dropped on 4 stages in Catalunya so it is now 6-1

That's like saying Cav won those Tours because he won more stages. What counts amongst stage racers is the time gained or lost, not the number of times you put some miniscule amount of time into your opponent when he then distanced you by half a minute.

 

[Mr.White]

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Bertie fans don't get up in arms and lose sleep over a defeat. Facts tell the story. Bertie last season decimated your boy "toyed with him"
One stage victory against a obviously not right Bertie is not really much to shout about. The fact that Froome obviously was in good form and Bertie beat him in the ITT and dropped him the day before only proves that Froome cannot match Bertie. You Froome fans are hanging on to a tour win that's nearly 2 years old against no healthy opposition apart from a young Quintana. Your clinging on to some sort of dream that will never happen again unless the opposition is unhealthy again.
Bertie is a multi champion, He has defeated the very best, Froome has a long way to go to match Bertie.
The fact that Froome chickened out of riding the Giro after announcing that he would prefer the Giro as the Tour was to mountainous.
Then changed his mind once he knew Bertie was riding it and opted for his best chance of a GT win against a tired Bertie.
I think Froome needs to worry about Quintana come the tour. Quintana will put some big time into Froome on at least 1 or maybe 2 stages.

Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, and that was when Froome was coming back from injury and only turned up for some racing days. Failed to beat him in any race in 2013, failed to match him in the 2014 Dauphine until Froome fell, which was the only time both Froome and Contador have been close to top form, and failed to beat him at the Ruta Del Sol. He knows he's got absolutely no chance against Froome in the Tour, so he's using the Giro as an excuse when he does indeed get dropped by Froome at the Tour.

Contador won Vuelta 2012 and 2014, and finished 2nd in Catalunya 2014 and Dauphine 2014. In all those races Froome was present and beaten by Contador fair and square, so I don't know what the f..k are you talking about!
Oh I forgot, he was also beaten by Contador on Catalunya 2015, time difference was about 40-50 minutes, ring any bells?

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, and that was when Froome was coming back from injury and only turned up for some racing days.

That's true. But then its also true that Chris Froome has never won a race where Zakarin has been present, therefore Zakarin > Froome, amiright?

I'm with you that a few buthurt Contador fans like rayjwillings are in denial about how good Froome is and how much success he has had against Contador.

But at the same time I think its important to make clear in posts like these that the only reason Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, (actually its 2 and both were gts) is because Froome for the majority of his career wasn't good enough to even make the team in these races. But Contador easily flew away from every single person that beat Froome to make those teams. So its really not that impressive. He's only faced Contador in 1 tiny window of Berties grander career. And even in that window, Contador is 2-1 vs Froome in gts, though of course Froome's gt was a million times more dominant and impressive.

I was just trying to counter Ray's arguments using nothing factually incorrect. Not really that short-sighted or Pro-Froome

 

[Carols]

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Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, and that was when Froome was coming back from injury and only turned up for some racing days.

That's true. But then its also true that Chris Froome has never won a race where Zakarin has been present, therefore Zakarin > Froome, amiright?

I'm with you that a few buthurt Contador fans like rayjwillings are in denial about how good Froome is and how much success he has had against Contador.

But at the same time I think its important to make clear in posts like these that the only reason Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, (actually its 2 and both were gts) is because Froome for the majority of his career wasn't good enough to even make the team in these races. But Contador easily flew away from every single person that beat Froome to make those teams. So its really not that impressive. He's only faced Contador in 1 tiny window of Berties grander career. And even in that window, Contador is 2-1 vs Froome in gts, though of course Froome's gt was a million times more dominant and impressive.

I was just trying to counter Ray's arguments using nothing factually incorrect. Not really that short-sighted or Pro-Froome

But you were factually incorrect....

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, and that was when Froome was coming back from injury and only turned up for some racing days.

That's true. But then its also true that Chris Froome has never won a race where Zakarin has been present, therefore Zakarin > Froome, amiright?

I'm with you that a few buthurt Contador fans like rayjwillings are in denial about how good Froome is and how much success he has had against Contador.

But at the same time I think its important to make clear in posts like these that the only reason Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, (actually its 2 and both were gts) is because Froome for the majority of his career wasn't good enough to even make the team in these races. But Contador easily flew away from every single person that beat Froome to make those teams. So its really not that impressive. He's only faced Contador in 1 tiny window of Berties grander career. And even in that window, Contador is 2-1 vs Froome in gts, though of course Froome's gt was a million times more dominant and impressive.

I was just trying to counter Ray's arguments using nothing factually incorrect. Not really that short-sighted or Pro-Froome

But you were factually incorrect....

Just forgot Bertie won the 2012 Vuelta - apart from that, the facts were correct, just specifically chosen to suggest a point

 

[ray j willings]

PremierAndrew I very much enjoy your posts. Can you watch this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YScKkvHIxwE

and tell us what your points are again.....so much confusion

 

[Dedelou]

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PremierAndrew I very much enjoy your posts. Can you watch this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YScKkvHIxwE

and tell us what your points are again.....so much confusion

well thanks a bunch I enjoyed the link .. watching it made me think sometimes confusion is worth watching for the sake of pure enjoyment if not clarity in deciding who is what , when and where.. What a beautiful sight that is to see the top guys in our sport displaying their talents.

 

[Carols]

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PremierAndrew I very much enjoy your posts. Can you watch this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YScKkvHIxwE

Awesomely excellent vid, what a couple of road warriors they both are!

Since this is the Froome thread I will say that just watching Froome do that 30+ second seated attack makes my legs hurt!

 

[Jelantik]

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PremierAndrew I very much enjoy your posts. Can you watch this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YScKkvHIxwE

and tell us what your points are again.....so much confusion

great reminder how these two are great! I hope we will see it again in this year TDF.

 

[ray j willings]

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You specifically chose to ignore a fact to prove a point

Well you did good, you proved you're an idiot.

Don't you ever get tired of your vulgarity?

I know, its a F%%%ing Sh%%boat of ar%%gas and off topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBCq8XDgrP0

 

[Taxus4a]

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Bertie fans don't get up in arms and lose sleep over a defeat. Facts tell the story. Bertie last season decimated your boy "toyed with him"
One stage victory against a obviously not right Bertie is not really much to shout about. The fact that Froome obviously was in good form and Bertie beat him in the ITT and dropped him the day before only proves that Froome cannot match Bertie. You Froome fans are hanging on to a tour win that's nearly 2 years old against no healthy opposition apart from a young Quintana. Your clinging on to some sort of dream that will never happen again unless the opposition is unhealthy again.
Bertie is a multi champion, He has defeated the very best, Froome has a long way to go to match Bertie.
The fact that Froome chickened out of riding the Giro after announcing that he would prefer the Giro as the Tour was to mountainous.
Then changed his mind once he knew Bertie was riding it and opted for his best chance of a GT win against a tired Bertie.
I think Froome needs to worry about Quintana come the tour. Quintana will put some big time into Froome on at least 1 or maybe 2 stages.

Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, and that was when Froome was coming back from injury and only turned up for some racing days. Failed to beat him in any race in 2013, failed to match him in the 2014 Dauphine until Froome fell, which was the only time both Froome and Contador have been close to top form, and failed to beat him at the Ruta Del Sol. He knows he's got absolutely no chance against Froome in the Tour, so he's using the Giro as an excuse when he does indeed get dropped by Froome at the Tour.

Totally agree. It looks like if you knows Contador quite well.

Contador could have won froome in Andalucia, but that doenst change anything, Without Froome, Quintana and Nibali he see in the Giro the possibility of to get an easy victory, and if he is four on the Tour he could say he won the Giro before.

But if he dont win the Giro he will have a problem.

Anyway he is still a reference and an spectacular and smart rider.

The problem is if that he fail in his purposes it will have an excuse, and his fans will say he wasnt on his level, the same for the press in my copuntry,... and things like that. Other way I will be a fan of him , he has improve in his statements and in his way to race in the last years...but still he is given a condition of rider that he is not, acording his result in the past.

 

[rhubroma]

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Bertie fans don't get up in arms and lose sleep over a defeat. Facts tell the story. Bertie last season decimated your boy "toyed with him"
One stage victory against a obviously not right Bertie is not really much to shout about. The fact that Froome obviously was in good form and Bertie beat him in the ITT and dropped him the day before only proves that Froome cannot match Bertie. You Froome fans are hanging on to a tour win that's nearly 2 years old against no healthy opposition apart from a young Quintana. Your clinging on to some sort of dream that will never happen again unless the opposition is unhealthy again.
Bertie is a multi champion, He has defeated the very best, Froome has a long way to go to match Bertie.
The fact that Froome chickened out of riding the Giro after announcing that he would prefer the Giro as the Tour was to mountainous.
Then changed his mind once he knew Bertie was riding it and opted for his best chance of a GT win against a tired Bertie.
I think Froome needs to worry about Quintana come the tour. Quintana will put some big time into Froome on at least 1 or maybe 2 stages.

Contador has only won one race where Froome has been present, and that was when Froome was coming back from injury and only turned up for some racing days. Failed to beat him in any race in 2013, failed to match him in the 2014 Dauphine until Froome fell, which was the only time both Froome and Contador have been close to top form, and failed to beat him at the Ruta Del Sol. He knows he's got absolutely no chance against Froome in the Tour, so he's using the Giro as an excuse when he does indeed get dropped by Froome at the Tour.

Totally agree. It looks like if you knows Contador quite well.

Contador could have won froome in Andalucia, but that doenst change anything, Without Froome, Quintana and Nibali he see in the Giro the possibility of to get an easy victory, and if he is four on the Tour he could say he won the Giro before.

But if he dont win the Giro he will have a problem.

Anyway he is still a reference and an spectacular and smart rider.

The problem is if that he fail in his purposes it will have an excuse, and his fans will say he wasnt on his level, the same for the press in my copuntry,... and things like that. Other way I will be a fan of him , he has improve in his statements and in his way to race in the last years...but still he is given a condition of rider that he is not, acording his result in the past.

You forgot the other option: and if he wins both?

 

[SeriousSam]

It's quite unfortunate. Froome probably wants to demonstrate his utter beatdown of Contador in 2013 was no fluke and can be repeated even when both are in top form, but Contador's decision to do the Giro, and thereby dull his edge for the Tour, will deprive him of that opportunity this year. By contrast, Contador can quite easily win the Giro against no serious competition, and then at the Tour, if he fails he'll have an excuse but if by some miracle he wins, it would go down as the greatest feat of Grand Tour riding since Hinault's doubles. Unless the other 3 crash out of course.

 

[Red Rick]

It's quite unfortunate. Froome probably wants to demonstrate his utter beatdown of Contador in 2013 was no fluke and can be repeated even when both are in top form, but Contador's decision to do the Giro, and thereby dull his edge for the Tour, will deprive him of that opportunity this year. By contrast, Contador can quite easily win the Giro against no serious competition, and then at the Tour, if he fails he'll have an excuse but if by some miracle he wins, it would go down as the greatest feat of Grand Tour riding since Hinault's doubles. Unless the other 3 crash out of course.

You know, Froome could also have chosen to do the Giro, right?