Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[SeriousSam]

Froome just really wants the Tour. Understandable, because it's a much more important race than the Giro. Rather than compromising his chances to win the Tour by participating in the Giro, he decides to go all in at the Tour.

 

[ray j willings]

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Froome just really wants the Tour. Understandable, because it's a much more important race than the Giro. Rather than compromising his chances to win the Tour by participating in the Giro, he decides to go all in at the Tour.

Maybe, who knows? I respect his right as a citizen of the world to change his mind.

I'm just pondering, Froome not really been in good form this year. Bertie riding the giro, I wonder if we will see them race together again at their best. Froome, Quintana ,Valverde "looking good this year" and Nibs really should have rode the Giro. Its very disappointing for us fans. We want to see them Race

If Bertie wins a GT this year I reckon he could bow out.

 

[bigcog]

I just want to see a healthy and in form Froome battling it out on the mountain stages with Contador, Quintana, Nibali at the TDF.

 

[Poursuivant]

The notion that Froome would avoid a race because another rider is there is ridiculous, get a grip.

Yes, the lack of TT's don't suit him, but as Contador himself said, Froome is an amazing climber anyway let's not make out mountains don't really help him.

 

[Mr.White]

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Froome just really wants the Tour. Understandable, because it's a much more important race than the Giro. Rather than compromising his chances to win the Tour by participating in the Giro, he decides to go all in at the Tour.

He didn't speak like that in october 2014

 

[Jelantik]

I believe the join decision between him and sky, probably after sky brought him back to earth and reminded him that Giro has the most brutal weather. With him so skinny, asthma and his record so far of getting chest infection, they opted to stir him from the Giro. I don't think it's because Contador's announcement. Besides having Contador doing the Giro, opens up bigger chance for Froome to win another TDF. (not saying that nibs and Quintana aren't a worthy opponent). But with in form Froome, Nibs and Quintana are no match for him.

 

[ray j willings]

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I believe the join decision between him and sky, probably after sky brought him back to earth and reminded him that Giro has the most brutal weather. With him so skinny, asthma and his record so far of getting chest infection, they opted to stir him from the Giro. I don't think it's because Contador's announcement. Besides having Contador doing the Giro, opens up bigger chance for Froome to win another TDF. (not saying that nibs and Quintana aren't a worthy opponent). But with in form Froome, Nibs and Quintana are no match for him.

Wrong Quintana Dropped Froome in his tour winning year,,,2 years on Quintana will drop Froome on at least 2 stages. In form Froome beat nobody when he won his tour "bertie was way off form"

Since then Froome has failed to deliver. Big mountains Froome will get hammered by Quintana.

 

[DBotero]

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I believe the join decision between him and sky, probably after sky brought him back to earth and reminded him that Giro has the most brutal weather. With him so skinny, asthma and his record so far of getting chest infection, they opted to stir him from the Giro. I don't think it's because Contador's announcement. Besides having Contador doing the Giro, opens up bigger chance for Froome to win another TDF. (not saying that nibs and Quintana aren't a worthy opponent). But with in form Froome, Nibs and Quintana are no match for him.

Wrong Quintana Dropped Froome in his tour winning year,,,2 years on Quintana will drop Froome on at least 2 stages. In form Froome beat nobody when he won his tour "bertie was way off form"

Since then Froome has failed to deliver. Big mountains Froome will get hammered by Quintana.

Your trolling is getting weaker these days Ray,maybe you need a break to recharge your batteries

 

[djpbaltimore]

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I think this post is posters denying the evidential link and cloud the issue of froomes change of mind because they don't want to admit the truth
There was nothing stopping froome riding the giro and tour
Bertie would have relished the challenge
What ever way you look at it, froome chickened out

By 'evidential link', do you mean your illogical, conspiracy theory? Association does not equal causation. IMO, real evidence would be Froome definitely stating his plans to ride the Giro, then backing down AFTER Contador's participation was announced. Post something along those lines and then we can talk. And for the notion that he was planning on only racing the Giro. How many bonafide contenders for the TDF have voluntarily skipped it entirely in the past 20 years? I believe that the simplest explanation is usually the most likely to be correct. And the simplest is that the allure of the most prestigious race in the world was too much to overcome, even if he had reservations about the parcours.

I think the 'truth' is that you dislike so Froome intensely that it biases your opinion and you try to twist every bit of information to conform to your bias. You think he is a coward, so you interpret everything he does as cowardly.

 

[Singer01]

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When Froome saw the tour route he commented on riding the Giro and how the Giro would suit him more
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/tour-de-france/chris-froome-giro-ditalia-big-opportunity-141429
Once Bertie decided to ride the Giro, Froome / Sky then opted for the tour knowing that will be their best chance for a GT win even though Froome preferred the Giro Route.....CLUCK CLUCKITY CLUCK Big time Charlie potatoes.

It would be great if Bertie pulls out of the Giro and just aims for the tour. Froome/Sky will then pull out of the tour and aim for the Vuelta, If Bertie then decides to ride the Vuelta then Froome will end up racing me to St Albans. He will need something to show for the year I reckon I could drop him on the climbs into St Albans if I attack from the bottom of the first climb

Your assertion that Froome would intentionally 'avoid' Contador is a little laughable when you consider that Froome has gone head to head against Contador in the last 4 GTs that he has ridden. ('14 TDF, VdE, '13 TDF, '12 VdE).

Sometimes I am mystified at the things that are posted here. I would genuinely like to hear what ferryman thinks about the above quoted post instead of repeatedly trying to pick fights with well-intentioned posters like SeriousSam. JMO.

What's mystifying ? You saw the link. Froome wanted to ride the Giro. He says he can choose. So what made him change his mind to ride a course that he said would not suit him?

The reason for avoidance this year is the fact Bertie kicked his arse last year and Froome knows he can't win other wise he would have rode the Giro. That's my honest opinion and Froome's choice bears that's out.

when did bertie kick his arse last year? he won the vuelta by 1.10, and a lot of that time was taken when froome had to work to distance the other 2 spaniards. i remember him following froome for about 5km up a mountain without attacking once earlier in the year.
p.s. i prefer contador to froome, but you statement is a load of tosh.

 

[ray j willings]

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When Froome saw the tour route he commented on riding the Giro and how the Giro would suit him more
http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/racing/tour-de-france/chris-froome-giro-ditalia-big-opportunity-141429
Once Bertie decided to ride the Giro, Froome / Sky then opted for the tour knowing that will be their best chance for a GT win even though Froome preferred the Giro Route.....CLUCK CLUCKITY CLUCK Big time Charlie potatoes.

It would be great if Bertie pulls out of the Giro and just aims for the tour. Froome/Sky will then pull out of the tour and aim for the Vuelta, If Bertie then decides to ride the Vuelta then Froome will end up racing me to St Albans. He will need something to show for the year I reckon I could drop him on the climbs into St Albans if I attack from the bottom of the first climb

Your assertion that Froome would intentionally 'avoid' Contador is a little laughable when you consider that Froome has gone head to head against Contador in the last 4 GTs that he has ridden. ('14 TDF, VdE, '13 TDF, '12 VdE).

Sometimes I am mystified at the things that are posted here. I would genuinely like to hear what ferryman thinks about the above quoted post instead of repeatedly trying to pick fights with well-intentioned posters like SeriousSam. JMO.

What's mystifying ? You saw the link. Froome wanted to ride the Giro. He says he can choose. So what made him change his mind to ride a course that he said would not suit him?

The reason for avoidance this year is the fact Bertie kicked his arse last year and Froome knows he can't win other wise he would have rode the Giro. That's my honest opinion and Froome's choice bears that's out.

when did bertie kick his arse last year? he won the vuelta by 1.10, and a lot of that time was taken when froome had to work to distance the other 2 spaniards. i remember him following froome for about 5km up a mountain without attacking once earlier in the year.
p.s. i prefer contador to froome, but you statement is a load of tosh.

Nah Bertie kicked his as% he toyed with Froome at the vuelta at destroyed him at the dauphine ....

kicked his as" Here's all the proof you need https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YScKkvHIxwE

 

[ray j willings]

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I believe the join decision between him and sky, probably after sky brought him back to earth and reminded him that Giro has the most brutal weather. With him so skinny, asthma and his record so far of getting chest infection, they opted to stir him from the Giro. I don't think it's because Contador's announcement. Besides having Contador doing the Giro, opens up bigger chance for Froome to win another TDF. (not saying that nibs and Quintana aren't a worthy opponent). But with in form Froome, Nibs and Quintana are no match for him.

Wrong Quintana Dropped Froome in his tour winning year,,,2 years on Quintana will drop Froome on at least 2 stages. In form Froome beat nobody when he won his tour "bertie was way off form"

Since then Froome has failed to deliver. Big mountains Froome will get hammered by Quintana.

Your trolling is getting weaker these days Ray,maybe you need a break to recharge your batteries

Quintana did drop froome at the tour. IMO Quintana will drop him again at the tour. That's not trolling that's my opinion. Lets see what happens at the tour shall we.

 

[rhubroma]

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I think this post is posters denying the evidential link and cloud the issue of froomes change of mind because they don't want to admit the truth
There was nothing stopping froome riding the giro and tour
Bertie would have relished the challenge
What ever way you look at it, froome chickened out

By 'evidential link', do you mean your illogical, conspiracy theory? Association does not equal causation. IMO, real evidence would be Froome definitely stating his plans to ride the Giro, then backing down AFTER Contador's participation was announced. Post something along those lines and then we can talk. And for the notion that he was planning on only racing the Giro. How many bonafide contenders for the TDF have voluntarily skipped it entirely in the past 20 years? I believe that the simplest explanation is usually the most likely to be correct. And the simplest is that the allure of the most prestigious race in the world was too much to overcome, even if he had reservations about the parcours.

I think the 'truth' is that you dislike so Froome intensely that it biases your opinion and you try to twist every bit of information to conform to your bias. You think he is a coward, so you interpret everything he does as cowardly.

Naw, Froome chickened out. He should never have said he intended to ride the Giro, only to then back out when Contador said he was doing the double.

And this is what separates the legends from the mere champions.

Then, the Giro is not a good race for Froome. Too erratic and much too technical. The courses offer too many suprises for a rider and a team that likes to go by the script on the boring and standardized French course.

 

[SeriousSam]

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[quote="Poursuivant
Yes, the lack of TT's don't suit him, but as Contador himself said, Froome is an amazing climber anyway let's not make out mountains don't really help him.[/quote]

Froome has done some amazing time trials, to be sure. But he was never actually the very best time trialler in the world. He more of a climber than he has ever been a time trialler. He has been the best climber since 2012.

 

[thehook]

What I find rather amusing about Froome's Giro comments. Is that he was not keen on the Tour's lack of TT's. However he was a TT monster in Brads tour & his Tour wins. And at the Olympic Games. Odd?

I also believe that once Berto announced the Double. SKY looked at the Giro as a way to wear Berto down for the Tour. :Send: Richie to ride for the Win and if he does Great. If he loses and Hammers Berto Great. Win & Win either way.

 

[Jelantik]

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I believe the join decision between him and sky, probably after sky brought him back to earth and reminded him that Giro has the most brutal weather. With him so skinny, asthma and his record so far of getting chest infection, they opted to stir him from the Giro. I don't think it's because Contador's announcement. Besides having Contador doing the Giro, opens up bigger chance for Froome to win another TDF. (not saying that nibs and Quintana aren't a worthy opponent). But with in form Froome, Nibs and Quintana are no match for him.

Wrong Quintana Dropped Froome in his tour winning year,,,2 years on Quintana will drop Froome on at least 2 stages. In form Froome beat nobody when he won his tour "bertie was way off form"

Since then Froome has failed to deliver. Big mountains Froome will get hammered by Quintana.

Your trolling is getting weaker these days Ray,maybe you need a break to recharge your batteries

Quintana did drop froome at the tour. IMO Quintana will drop him again at the tour. That's not trolling that's my opinion. Lets see what happens at the tour shall we.

what's the point of dropping Froome is he was the one who won TDF. Until that day comes, Quintana is no match for froome. At least not yet.

 

[Ataraxus]

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I believe the join decision between him and sky, probably after sky brought him back to earth and reminded him that Giro has the most brutal weather. With him so skinny, asthma and his record so far of getting chest infection, they opted to stir him from the Giro. I don't think it's because Contador's announcement. Besides having Contador doing the Giro, opens up bigger chance for Froome to win another TDF. (not saying that nibs and Quintana aren't a worthy opponent). But with in form Froome, Nibs and Quintana are no match for him.

Wrong Quintana Dropped Froome in his tour winning year,,,2 years on Quintana will drop Froome on at least 2 stages. In form Froome beat nobody when he won his tour "bertie was way off form"

Since then Froome has failed to deliver. Big mountains Froome will get hammered by Quintana.

Your trolling is getting weaker these days Ray,maybe you need a break to recharge your batteries

Quintana did drop froome at the tour. IMO Quintana will drop him again at the tour. That's not trolling that's my opinion. Lets see what happens at the tour shall we.

I have decided not to tire myself in responding to you. But you are the longest lasting active trolleur in this forum
You must have some special ability in the end since you are successfully managing that
Anyway, You say "Froome will get hammered by Quintana" and afterwards "Quintana will drop Froome again"
Those two sentences are not the same mate. In some scenarios they cannot even be used to back up each other.
Pantani dropped Armstrong on Courchevel 2000 (year and altitude), but Armstrong did not get hammered by Pantani that year. The same analogy goes to 2013 TDF as well.

 

[SeriousSam]

The distinction can be blurry, so perhaps a few further examples will help:
Contador got hammered in stage 4 of he Ruta del Sol by Froome
Froome did not get hammered on any on the previous stages, but did get dropped.
Contador got hammered on Ax3 and Mont Ventoux by Froome.
Froome got dropped but not hammered by Contador in the Vuelta MTF where they went 1-2.

 

[Red Rick]

Ugh ugh, ugh Catalunya, ugh ugh

 

[Mr.White]

Froome got hammered in last stage of Dauphine by Contador, and hammered big time. In fact Froome lost more time there than Contador lost ever to Froome, in all races together

 

[Poursuivant]

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Froome got hammered in last stage of Dauphine by Contador, and hammered big time. In fact Froome lost more time there than Contador lost ever to Froome, in all races together

You must know that was because of his crash though. Look at that Froome to the Froome of the Dauphine Stage 2, it's chalk and cheese.

 

[Taxus4a]

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Froome got hammered in last stage of Dauphine by Contador, and hammered big time. In fact Froome lost more time there than Contador lost ever to Froome, in all races together

You must know that was because of his crash though. Look at that Froome to the Froome of the Dauphine Stage 2, it's chalk and cheese.

Froome showed in the prologue and in the first mountain stage that he was the stronger rider in Tours last year, and Contador was lucky of their crash in both Dauphiné and Tour, although he showed a big determination and level to win the Vuelta, (by lying about his condition, but that is allowed)

 

[djpbaltimore]

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Naw, Froome chickened out. He should never have said he intended to ride the Giro, only to then back out when Contador said he was doing the double.

And this is what separates the legends from the mere champions.

Then, the Giro is not a good race for Froome. Too erratic and much too technical. The courses offer too many suprises for a rider and a team that likes to go by the script on the boring and standardized French course.

Unless you are willing to produce quotes to the contrary, the flaw in your argument is that Froome never said he was going to ride the Giro. The referenced article said riding it would be under consideration based on the suitable parcours. You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to make up your own facts to support your opinion.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Froome got hammered in last stage of Dauphine by Contador, and hammered big time. In fact Froome lost more time there than Contador lost ever to Froome, in all races together

You must know that was because of his crash though. Look at that Froome to the Froome of the Dauphine Stage 2, it's chalk and cheese.

Froome showed in the prologue and in the first mountain stage that he was the stronger rider in Tours last year, and Contador was lucky of their crash in both Dauphiné and Tour, although he showed a big determination and level to win the Vuelta, (by lying about his condition, but that is allowed)

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Froome got hammered in last stage of Dauphine by Contador, and hammered big time. In fact Froome lost more time there than Contador lost ever to Froome, in all races together

You must know that was because of his crash though. Look at that Froome to the Froome of the Dauphine Stage 2, it's chalk and cheese.

Yeah, and Contador had an off-year in 2013. SeriousSam seems to have a case of "selective memory". As I said earlier, you can't point to 2013 etc and ignore the times Contador crushed Froome.