Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[Ataraxus]

If Instagram is of any indication, Froome is the most popular rider in the peloton.

 

[Carols]

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I used to think Contador was the strongest mentally but I am now convinced that Froome is the strongest mentally

and being the strongest mentally is the most important thing as I think they and Quintana are very close physically

Froome's resolve is mighty while Quintana has at times lacked a killer blow while Contador in the last few years has demonstrated moments of desperation.

In cycling the one who is mentally strongest is the hardest to beat

(FYI Froomes weakness besides ability to get sick if a long time at low weight, is I think his need to be liked/popular.He is intelligent enough to know he is not universally liked in comparison to other champions liked Wiggins, Evans and Contador)

None of the three you mentioned are universally liked and you should know that from your time spent in this forum which is virtually universally represented.

Froome's advantages are the fact that he is the strongest in the mountains and against the clock compared to his rivals and that he has the strongest and deepest team. At this point in his career he knows this and it is evidenced by the ridiculous margins he sometimes gaps his rivals by in the mountains when winning summit finishes. Roche is quoted as saying that Froome knows he's stronger than his rivals and with that belief and confidence mental fortitude rarely comes into play. What is there to fear when you believe that your rivals only chance of victory is the slim chance of injury or an act of nature?

Only Contador, in 2014, has displayed the ability to successfully respond to Froome's attacks and if he can equal that same form he still has to deal with Froome's gap in the itt. It will take some of tactical blunder by Froome for him to be defeated, or a Contador that has sacrificed all to regain that form that made him the force of nature that made his rivals dread the moments when he launched his earth melting attacks. I'm dreaming that he will make things interesting in July and make Froome and Sky uncomfortable.

Or a tactical coup by Contador. We know he is capable of that, he can win a GT without being the strongest . Can he do it at 33 against a formidable rival like Froome? Only time will tell, but Froome has to be the favorite.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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If Instagram is of any indication, Froome is the most popular rider in the peloton.

Is Instagram a better indication than Facebook or Twitter?

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

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If Instagram is of any indication, Froome is the most popular rider in the peloton.

Is Instagram a better indication than Facebook or Twitter?

Twitter will be dead this time next year and Instigram already has 80million more users.

edit: Also I would add that Contador is vastly more famous in the USA just by association with Armstrong and Bruyneel

 

[Ataraxus]

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If Instagram is of any indication, Froome is the most popular rider in the peloton.

Is Instagram a better indication than Facebook or Twitter?

It is a better indication than the opinions of some random users in this forum.

 

[Carols]

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If Instagram is of any indication, Froome is the most popular rider in the peloton.

Is Instagram a better indication than Facebook or Twitter?

Twitter will be dead this time next year and Instigram already has 80million more users.

edit: Also I would add that Contador is vastly more famous in the USA just by association with Armstrong and Bruyneel

That association makes him very disliked in the USA.

 

[rhubroma]

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I used to think Contador was the strongest mentally but I am now convinced that Froome is the strongest mentally

and being the strongest mentally is the most important thing as I think they and Quintana are very close physically

Froome's resolve is mighty while Quintana has at times lacked a killer blow while Contador in the last few years has demonstrated moments of desperation.

In cycling the one who is mentally strongest is the hardest to beat

(FYI Froomes weakness besides ability to get sick if a long time at low weight, is I think his need to be liked/popular.He is intelligent enough to know he is not universally liked in comparison to other champions liked Wiggins, Evans and Contador)

None of the three you mentioned are universally liked and you should know that from your time spent in this forum which is virtually universally represented.

Froome's advantages are the fact that he is the strongest in the mountains and against the clock compared to his rivals and that he has the strongest and deepest team. At this point in his career he knows this and it is evidenced by the ridiculous margins he sometimes gaps his rivals by in the mountains when winning summit finishes. Roche is quoted as saying that Froome knows he's stronger than his rivals and with that belief and confidence mental fortitude rarely comes into play. What is there to fear when you believe that your rivals only chance of victory is the slim chance of injury or an act of nature?

Only Contador, in 2014, has displayed the ability to successfully respond to Froome's attacks and if he can equal that same form he still has to deal with Froome's gap in the itt. It will take some of tactical blunder by Froome for him to be defeated, or a Contador that has sacrificed all to regain that form that made him the force of nature that made his rivals dread the moments when he launched his earth melting attacks. I'm dreaming that he will make things interesting in July and make Froome and Sky uncomfortable.

Or a tactical coup by Contador. We know he is capable of that, he can win a GT without being the strongest . Can he do it at 33 against a formidable rival like Froome? Only time will tell, but Froome has to be the favorite.

To the bolded, the second phrase entirely depends on the first.

We have the whole first part of the season ahead. Let's see where things stand after the Dauphine. And Nicholas Roche has gotten on the Cound bandwaggon.

 

[Angliru]

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If Instagram is of any indication, Froome is the most popular rider in the peloton.

Is Instagram a better indication than Facebook or Twitter?

Twitter will be dead this time next year and Instigram already has 80million more users.

edit: Also I would add that Contador is vastly more famous in the USA just by association with Armstrong and Bruyneel

That association makes him very disliked in the USA.

...by the Armstrong mob. Those in the know in the US can appreciate his talents.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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It is a better indication than the opinions of some random users in this forum.

But that wasn't my question. Selecting 1 particular social media platform on which Froome has most followers and pointing to this as evidence he is the most popular cyclist is odd when there are plenty of other social media platforms on which he does not have most followers

 

[Valv.Piti]

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It is a better indication than the opinions of some random users in this forum.

But that wasn't my question. Selecting 1 particular social media platform on which Froome has most followers and pointing to this as evidence he is the most popular cyclist is odd when there are plenty of other social media platforms on which he does not have most followers

Yo, he even said 'IF instagram is of any indication'. He doesn't have to come up with the numbers from Facebook, Twitter etc. to justify that comment that Froome simply is the most popular on Instagram. There is really nothing more to it.

 

[Carols]

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If Instagram is of any indication, Froome is the most popular rider in the peloton.

Is Instagram a better indication than Facebook or Twitter?

Twitter will be dead this time next year and Instigram already has 80million more users.

edit: Also I would add that Contador is vastly more famous in the USA just by association with Armstrong and Bruyneel

That association makes him very disliked in the USA.

...by the Armstrong mob. Those in the know in the US can appreciate his talents.

We are a minority unfortunately. And it's Not just the LA mob.

Anyway this is the Froome thread. So obligatory Froome comment: Froome sure has turned into one of the best cyclists in the world despite his initial 5 years as an incredibly mediocre pro. Still baffled......

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Yo, he even said 'IF instagram is of any indication'. He doesn't have to come up with the numbers from Facebook, Twitter etc. to justify that comment that Froome simply is the most popular on Instagram. There is really nothing more to it.

Yes, there is nothing more to it, I mean it's not like there was a discussion about which rider is most popular/most liked or anything...

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Yo, he even said 'IF instagram is of any indication'. He doesn't have to come up with the numbers from Facebook, Twitter etc. to justify that comment that Froome simply is the most popular on Instagram. There is really nothing more to it.

Yes, there is nothing more to it, I mean it's not like there was a discussion about which rider is most popular/most liked or anything...

Gosh, all he said was that Froome was the most popular rider on Instagram. You can interpret that as you want..

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Gosh, all he said was that Froome was the most popular rider on Instagram. You can interpret that as you want..

Yep that's what I did.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Gosh, all he said was that Froome was the most popular rider on Instagram. You can interpret that as you want..

Yep that's what I did.

I don't think you are obliged to post the numbers on the other social medias just because you are stating that he is the most popular on Instagram. And I'm guaranteed that you don't put any stock in it anyways since it isn't quite the result you would've liked. Not that it proves anything, its simply just a input to the debate..

Anyways, this is silly, I don't have to defend his comments.

 

[Ataraxus]

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It is a better indication than the opinions of some random users in this forum.

But that wasn't my question. Selecting 1 particular social media platform on which Froome has most followers and pointing to this as evidence he is the most popular cyclist is odd when there are plenty of other social media platforms on which he does not have most followers

But that was my point.
To give evidences to the skeptics before me that Froome is indeed globally popular and liked.
I don't care if he's the most popular or the most liked.
But now I know some people do

 

[Ataraxus]

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Agreed Taxus, but I don't think he is the 'clear favourite'. Quintana and Contador definitely has something to say, I think they stand good chances on this course.

They have more than something to say, but I dont think all of them are the favourites at the same level, for me Froome is the main one, although Quintana was close to him, and better at the end in the mountains, the same than 2 years before.

This is a subtopic of discussion only Serious Sam and his mighty market can decide

Ugh please don't invite that.

I don't care if Froome is the big fav. It'll just make AC's win sweeter.

Common
I always appreciate posters who come with special data (not just opinions).
Sam's data were not like the Power climbing data/special interviews/personal pictures taken from the race etc.
But they were related to the topic being discussed at the time.

 

[HelloDolly]

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I used to think Contador was the strongest mentally but I am now convinced that Froome is the strongest mentally

and being the strongest mentally is the most important thing as I think they and Quintana are very close physically

Froome's resolve is mighty while Quintana has at times lacked a killer blow while Contador in the last few years has demonstrated moments of desperation.

In cycling the one who is mentally strongest is the hardest to beat

(FYI Froomes weakness besides ability to get sick if a long time at low weight, is I think his need to be liked/popular.He is intelligent enough to know he is not universally liked in comparison to other champions liked Wiggins, Evans and Contador)

None of the three you mentioned are universally liked and you should know that from your time spent in this forum which is virtually universally represented.

Froome's advantages are the fact that he is the strongest in the mountains and against the clock compared to his rivals and that he has the strongest and deepest team. At this point in his career he knows this and it is evidenced by the ridiculous margins he sometimes gaps his rivals by in the mountains when winning summit finishes. Roche is quoted as saying that Froome knows he's stronger than his rivals and with that belief and confidence mental fortitude rarely comes into play. What is there to fear when you believe that your rivals only chance of victory is the slim chance of injury or an act of nature?

Only Contador, in 2014, has displayed the ability to successfully respond to Froome's attacks and if he can equal that same form he still has to deal with Froome's gap in the itt. It will take some of tactical blunder by Froome for him to be defeated, or a Contador that has sacrificed all to regain that form that made him the force of nature that made his rivals dread the moments when he launched his earth melting attacks. I'm dreaming that he will make things interesting in July and make Froome and Sky uncomfortable.

Or a tactical coup by Contador. We know he is capable of that, he can win a GT without being the strongest . Can he do it at 33 against a formidable rival like Froome? Only time will tell, but Froome has to be the favorite.

To the bolded, the second phrase entirely depends on the first.

We have the whole first part of the season ahead. Let's see where things stand after the Dauphine. And Nicholas Roche has gotten on the Cound bandwaggon.

Gosh I do wonder the ability of some people on here to read and understand English ...I said universally liked in comparison to Wiggins , Evans & Contador. It neither means that they are all universally liked or disliked
Froome was nominated for SPOTY in UK twice and achieved about 8% of the vote in 2015 and less before ..Wiggins ran away with it on the one occasion he was nominated.
Now its neither here nor there if Froome is popular , especially in relation to his ability. I merely stated that it appears an issue to him and his wife. He has won the Tour twice now and he has not had the acclaim of Wiggins, Evans or Contador...it was merely an observation...Unless I do a poll I cannot prove it either way

And Nicolas Roche is not jumping on any Cound bandwagon ...He is merely stating his observation. And BTW in his observations he remains in awe of Contador as a top focused professional of superb ability

 

[pastronef]

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And Nicolas Roche is not jumping on any Cound bandwagon ...He is merely stating his observation. And BTW in his observations he remains in awe of Contador as a top focused professional of superb ability

maybe I missed something Roche said? thanks

 

[LaFlorecita]

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And Nicholas Roche has gotten on the Cound bandwaggon.

It's hardly surprising as he gets paid by Sky but I think it's odd he feels the need to state why he likes riding for Sky/Froome better and why he thinks Froome is better etc., Porte did the same thing when he joined Sky and now even Stephen Roche is talking crap (he may be getting senile though) it's almost as if Sky ask them to.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Now its neither here nor there if Froome is popular , especially in relation to his ability. I merely stated that it appears an issue to him and his wife.

It is true, I think they are buying followers on twitter

 

[myrideissteelerthanyours]

Froome is about 40% fake (2 years ago data) Contador is about 52% fake (using data from 3 years ago) according to twitteraudit.com

 

[LaFlorecita]

Froome is about 40% fake (2 years ago data) Contador is about 52% fake (using data from 3 years ago) according to twitteraudit.com

Froome gained followers at 3-4 times the rate of any other cyclist during the last year so his data from 2 years ago is irrelevant. It would be interesting to re-audit him and see how much the 60-40% figure has changed in the last 2 years, it would be very telling, but I'm not going to pay $3.99 for it.

 

[Angliru]

Froome is about 40% fake (2 years ago data) Contador is about 52% fake (using data from 3 years ago) according to twitteraudit.com

Excuse my ignorance but I'm not on Twitter so I have no idea what these stats mean. Would someone with patience please enlighten me?

 

[HelloDolly]

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And Nicholas Roche has gotten on the Cound bandwaggon.

It's hardly surprising as he gets paid by Sky but I think it's odd he feels the need to state why he likes riding for Sky/Froome better and why he thinks Froome is better etc., Porte did the same thing when he joined Sky and now even Stephen Roche is talking crap (he may be getting senile though) it's almost as if Sky ask them to.

What a sh*t comment ....don't expect anything less

They cannot admire Froome without getting ona bandwagon or being senile or being paid to do it, There is supporting Contador at every opportunity and then there is being totally biased but this is nasty ...undermining anyone that should put Froome above Contador with accusations of senility

Maybe just maybe they are expressing what they think...even if you don;t agree