Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[dacooley]

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Froome is a fantastic rider. Sure that without the train is not the some, because he needs to expose himself and that as a price.

But, we should be fair... First he is still in a great position, even if we can imagine that he is not going to win this vuelta, and then he is the guy more tired of the contenders... So much stress and hate, it shouldn´t be like that.

Froome winning is already unfair as with his success he put a hurt on fans of other riders (ac most often). People putting their wishes over rationality is always hilarious. the logic of 'froome is not a great rider as i hate him' is priceless

 

[Pricey_sky]

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I will agree however if a rider is of sufficient class he can indeed win without team support or maybe if the field is weak enough a good rider can also win but alas Froome isn't at that level that he can beat a good field without a dominate team .

4 of Froome's best stages in terms of performance in this years Tour had very little to do with his team. The descent to Bagneres de Luchon, the crosswind into Montpellier it was Froome who was the only guy who could initially follow Sagan and Bodnar (though Thomas did make it across afterwards), and the 2 TT's.

Froome does not need a dominant team to win, but of course having such a strong team minimises risk in GT's, which is obviously an advantage.

It would be good to see Froome in a situation where he was alone and outnumbered up a final climb, however he has proven many times he is great at riding his own tempo, so its unlikely to be a disaster for him.

 

[Jelantik]

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It just too early to make any conclusions.

This race is wide open.

agreed. Froome might made big mistake. Who knows, he probably wanted to show that he is an exciting rider. After all, his TDF show was spectacular. Ow well,.. it's just one bad day. He'll crush everyone in the next mountain. Quintana better has a lot more padding before ITT, coz Froome will eat him alive

 

[Kwibus]

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I will agree however if a rider is of sufficient class he can indeed win without team support or maybe if the field is weak enough a good rider can also win but alas Froome isn't at that level that he can beat a good field without a dominate team .

4 of Froome's best stages in terms of performance in this years Tour had very little to do with his team. The descent to Bagneres de Luchon, the crosswind into Montpellier it was Froome who was the only guy who could initially follow Sagan and Bodnar (though Thomas did make it across afterwards), and the 2 TT's.

Froome does not need a dominant team to win, but of course having such a strong team minimises risk in GT's, which is obviously an advantage.

It would be good to see Froome in a situation where he was alone and outnumbered up a final climb, however he has proven many times he is great at riding his own tempo, so its unlikely to be a disaster for him.

It's ofcourse rubbish that Froome is nothing without a dominant team. It's making his life incredibly easy at the TdF, but with a lesser team he probably still was the strongest.
Also red zone concludes this after a vuelta stage where Froome obviously can't be at his best after riding the tdf and olympics. It must be said not a single rider can be at his best this Vuelta as pretty much all have a GT in their legs or crashed out etc.

 

[filipepc]

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Froome is a fantastic rider. Sure that without the train is not the some, because he needs to expose himself and that as a price.

But, we should be fair... First he is still in a great position, even if we can imagine that he is not going to win this vuelta, and then he is the guy more tired of the contenders... So much stress and hate, it shouldn´t be like that.

Froome winning is already unfair as with his success he put a hurt on fans of other riders (ac most often). People putting their wishes over rationality is always hilarious. the logic of 'froome is not a great rider as i hate him' is priceless

My opinion, is just a opinion, i think he´s a fantastic rider and he could win the tour even if not in sky, and i think that is clear... But it´s not a lie that is much diferent being exposed or not with a strong or weak team... If you watched yesterday, in the tour, quintana wouldn´t have gone... The train would have follow him, and he would have spent energy and froome would have kept some... It´s diferent, sure it is.
But people should see the huge rider he is, and a 1 st in the tour, 3 rd in the olympics and now still fighting is really great to him and the team.

 

[silvergrenade]

I will hope Froome just limits his losses.
His form will come, hopefully.
He doesnt need to prove anything to the haters or even to his biggest fans.

 

[filipepc]

How can his form come? I think it´s the opposite. If don´t take advantage now, later he won´t.

 

[damian13ster]

Rio absolitely killed his chances. Would be biggest feat in cycling history if he could dominate in France, then fly to the other side of the world, medal in olympics, and then fly back around the world to beat everyone in Spain.

Sounds impossible and I think he will fail. Still, chapeau for attempting such feat

 

[CTQ]

@Pricey_sky

And his stage win at Romandie 2016 had very little to do with his team too. My favorite by him, deciding to go with 40 kms to do in rainy conditions.

 

[Angliru]

Rio absolitely killed his chances. Would be biggest feat in cycling history if he could dominate in France, then fly to the other side of the world, medal in olympics, and then fly back around the world to beat everyone in Spain.

Sounds impossible and I think he will fail. Still, chapeau for attempting such feat

Sorry to put a stop to your hero worship but just off the top of my head, Stephen Roche's Tour/Giro/WCRR victories in 1987 would be one of likely others that would come ahead of this scenario you have here.

 

[damian13ster]

Rio absolitely killed his chances. Would be biggest feat in cycling history if he could dominate in France, then fly to the other side of the world, medal in olympics, and then fly back around the world to beat everyone in Spain.

Sounds impossible and I think he will fail. Still, chapeau for attempting such feat

Sorry to put a stop to your hero worship but just off the top of my head, Stephen Roche's Tour/Giro/WCRR victories in 1987 would be one of likely others that would come ahead of this scenario you have here.

Yeah, that is very comparable. Not sure it would come ahead just because of packed schedule in the scenario I am talking about and geographic locations of races.

 

[PremierAndrew]

lol

 

[Mr.White]

Rio absolitely killed his chances. Would be biggest feat in cycling history if he could dominate in France, then fly to the other side of the world, medal in olympics, and then fly back around the world to beat everyone in Spain.

Sounds impossible and I think he will fail. Still, chapeau for attempting such feat

Sorry to put a stop to your hero worship but just off the top of my head, Stephen Roche's Tour/Giro/WCRR victories in 1987 would be one of likely others that would come ahead of this scenario you have here.

Yeah, that is very comparable. Not sure it would come ahead just because of packed schedule in the scenario I am talking about and geographic locations of races.

But there is a "tiny" difference, your guy won bronze medal in TT, and the other guy won gold medal in a road race

 

[damian13ster]

There is no 'my guy' and 'other guy'. I just simply value Olympics more than WC. Personal opinion

 

[Angliru]

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There is no 'my guy' and 'other guy'. I just simply value Olympics more than WC. Personal opinion

So you value Olympic itt bronze over WCRR gold? :surprised:

 

[damian13ster]

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There is no 'my guy' and 'other guy'. I just simply value Olympics more than WC. Personal opinion

So you value Olympic itt bronze over WCRR gold? :surprised:

I would find winning GC double against competition Froome is facing and then also competing successfuly against TT specialists in the event such as Olympics on the other side of the world more impressive. EOT

 

[red zone]

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I will agree however if a rider is of sufficient class he can indeed win without team support or maybe if the field is weak enough a good rider can also win but alas Froome isn't at that level that he can beat a good field without a dominate team .

4 of Froome's best stages in terms of performance in this years Tour had very little to do with his team. The descent to Bagneres de Luchon, the crosswind into Montpellier it was Froome who was the only guy who could initially follow Sagan and Bodnar (though Thomas did make it across afterwards), and the 2 TT's.

Froome does not need a dominant team to win, but of course having such a strong team minimises risk in GT's, which is obviously an advantage.

It would be good to see Froome in a situation where he was alone and outnumbered up a final climb, however he has proven many times he is great at riding his own tempo, so its unlikely to be a disaster for him.

It's ofcourse rubbish that Froome is nothing without a dominant team. It's making his life incredibly easy at the TdF, but with a lesser team he probably still was the strongest.
Also red zone concludes this after a vuelta stage where Froome obviously can't be at his best after riding the tdf and olympics. It must be said not a single rider can be at his best this Vuelta as pretty much all have a GT in their legs or crashed out etc.

I didn't say Froome was nothing without a dominate team , i said he was nothing before he got to Sky . What i did also say was he was a good but not special GT rider and i based this on him not winning a GT without his team dominating the race . He was in very good form at the 2014 Vuelta but without his team setting a blistering pace and covering every attack he couldn't win .

 

[Mr.White]

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There is no 'my guy' and 'other guy'. I just simply value Olympics more than WC. Personal opinion

So you value Olympic itt bronze over WCRR gold? :surprised:

I would find winning GC double against competition Froome is facing and then also competing successfuly against TT specialists in the event such as Olympics on the other side of the world more impressive. EOT

Well I would find that it's not even close to what Roche did. Giro-Tour is little harder than Tour-Vuelta (which Froome won't win IMO), and Olympics bronze in ITT is close to gold in WCRR like GP Plouay is to Paris-Roubaix! Personal opinion

 

[filipepc]

Rio absolitely killed his chances. Would be biggest feat in cycling history if he could dominate in France, then fly to the other side of the world, medal in olympics, and then fly back around the world to beat everyone in Spain.

Sounds impossible and I think he will fail. Still, chapeau for attempting such feat

Sorry to put a stop to your hero worship but just off the top of my head, Stephen Roche's Tour/Giro/WCRR victories in 1987 would be one of likely others that would come ahead of this scenario you have here.

Yes but it´s 30 years ago. In modern times i think that is almost impossible. If it happens, Froome will hugely grow up in the eyes of many people. I don´t think he can with ths team, maybe with the super team of the tour he could... But let´s see... Who knows?

 

[Angliru]

Rio absolitely killed his chances. Would be biggest feat in cycling history if he could dominate in France, then fly to the other side of the world, medal in olympics, and then fly back around the world to beat everyone in Spain.

Sounds impossible and I think he will fail. Still, chapeau for attempting such feat

Sorry to put a stop to your hero worship but just off the top of my head, Stephen Roche's Tour/Giro/WCRR victories in 1987 would be one of likely others that would come ahead of this scenario you have here.

Yes but it´s 30 years ago. In modern times i think that is almost impossible. If it happens, Froome will hugely grow up in the eyes of many people. I don´t think he can with ths team, maybe with the super team of the tour he could... But let´s see... Who knows?

Are you supporting his belief about it being "the greatest feat in cycling history" should Froome add a Vuelta win to Tour and OITT bronze? If so you both need read up on cycling history.

 

[SeriousSam]

The Tour, OITT Bronze, Vuelta Treble would easily constitute the best single season accomplishment since the era for which single season accomplishments are hard to compare to today's.

 

[tretiak]

OITT Bronze is nothing to write home if you had gold ambitions that Froome and his fans had.

 

[Gigs_98]

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The Tour, OITT Bronze, Vuelta Treble would easily constitute the best single season accomplishment since the era for which single season accomplishments are hard to compare to today's.

The Tour-Vuelta double would indeed be impressive but the Olympic ITT Bronze isn't that special. The ITT is less prestigious than the RR anyway and a third place is good but not the best possible outcome. The medal is maybe comparable with a win in a one day race like San Sebastian.

 

[Billie]

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The Tour, OITT Bronze, Vuelta Treble would easily constitute the best single season accomplishment since the era for which single season accomplishments are hard to compare to today's.

Pantani 1998 is more impressive. Not sure that was still same era you mean

 

[peloton]

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OITT Bronze is nothing to write home if you had gold ambitions that Froome and his fans had.

He was a tad lucky to get that medal with Rohan's misfortune, but still a great results after the Tour